so are burst rifles getting nerfed anytime soon?

[neverplayseriou]

@RazielWarmonic @stayfreshshoe cause if not I might aswell give up on db now, no point in playing a game in which 2 guns are the decider of a match…

[wolvie]

I do feel the BR’s could use some tweaking. But when I think about it it seems that BRs are either as strong as they are now and are per say OP in a good players hands and balanced in a noons hands or balanced in a good players hands and terrible in a noons hands. Seeing that the vast population of this player base suck if they were to get their deserved nerf we would have baddie yelling that people like Kira and Arty suck.

[Amerika]

The burst rifles are the new “in” thing to call OP and want a nerf for (there is always something). I don’t want to see a return to the M4 always being the best gun and the easiest gun in all situations. The burst rifle rewards players who can aim and don’t panic. If you miss a burst you die to even a mediocre player with an m4 due to it being easier to use.

Burst rifles work well at the higher end of play because of the ability to front load damage and play the hit and run game and due to frontloaded damage and slightly higher dps it rewards players who have legit FPS ability. So a lot of people have gravitated to it from the m4/timik/similar when possible because of this and due to people who are really good doing so it’s now the new “nerf it” subject.

Not long ago I was trying to convince the masses that the burst rifles were really good and worth using. Now I’m arguing to make sure they stay good and don’t turn into another second fiddle to the m4 again because the internet masses decided it was the new thing to call OP in a never ending cycle of “this is OP pls nerf” without ever being able to articulate why.

The M4 does not need to always be the unquestionable best/easiest/most predictable weapon to use. And please don’t try to tell me the burst rifles are incredibly better than the M4.

[ProfPlump]

[quote=“retired;181366”][quote=“Amerika;179340”]The burst rifles are the new “in” thing to call OP and want a nerf for (there is always something). I don’t want to see a return to the M4 always being the best gun and the easiest gun in all situations. The burst rifle rewards players who can aim and don’t panic. If you miss a burst you die to even a mediocre player with an m4 due to it being easier to use.

Burst rifles work well at the higher end of play because of the ability to front load damage and play the hit and run game and due to frontloaded damage and slightly higher dps it rewards players who have legit FPS ability. So a lot of people have gravitated to it from the m4/timik/similar when possible because of this and due to people who are really good doing so it’s now the new “nerf it” subject.

Not long ago I was trying to convince the masses that the burst rifles were really good and worth using. Now I’m arguing to make sure they stay good and don’t turn into another second fiddle to the m4 again because the internet masses decided it was the new thing to call OP in a never ending cycle of “this is OP pls nerf” without ever being able to articulate why.

The M4 does not need to always be the unquestionable best/easiest/most predictable weapon to use. And please don’t try to tell me the burst rifles are incredibly better than the M4.[/quote]

This just shows how stupid some people are.

Selfpromoting little piece of d-i-c-k.

Would we ruin your little videos of killing newbies if bursts would be nerfed? Yes.

It’s sad day that community is so delusional about these things and one of the moderators who tries to be some kind of “good player” instills the idea that it’s ok to kill people with 2 blams in game that is supposed to be high TTK.

Open your eyes @$!# idiot. Kiras, Artys and now even Stoker/Thunder dominate many maps including Chapel because the silliness of bursts.

I have been done with this game long ago but had to say that this game didn’t have a chance even in the beginning because of the simple stupidity like that of yours Amerika.

You even play Fragger with BR16.

You’re @$!#.[/quote]

I think you’ll find that Amerika has used all kinds of guns over his time on youtube, including the M4 back when that was the strongest weapon in the game, and he complained about it then because the M4 was the easiest gun and the most rewarding gun, whereas now the most rewarding gun is NOT the easiest gun - it’s a burst rifle (Stark). So, a nerf to the Stark wouldn’t “ruin his little videos of killing newbies” - it would just change the meta, and Amerika would probably swap guns and loadouts to fit the new meta, and he would also still kick ass with it, I’m sure. And anyway, the reason that Amerika has to get his footage from pub games is because the current Dirty Bomb competitive scene is sparse to say the least, and is very hard to find games for (at least in my country).

“Self promoting little piece of d-i-c-k”. Ummm what? At what point did he promote his channel in this post…? Cause I don’t see anything to suggest that he’s advertising himself here or gloating about his channel…

Of course Kira, Arty and Stoker dominate Chapel - it’s an EV map and fire support mercs get a shittonne of points when they damage the EV. A Skyhammer would also dominate in those situations. But I’ve yet to see Thunders dominating the maps, as you have suggested - most people will stick with a Stoker or a Fragger for their assaulting combat mercs.

…And if you’re “done with this game long ago” why are you still on the forums?

And also, calm the fuck down there buddy, and stop acting like a child. No need to start insulting people left right and centre.

[_retired]

[quote=“ProfPlump;181370”]
Whereas now the most rewarding gun is NOT the easiest gun - it’s a burst rifle (Stark). [/quote]Just fucking lol.

It’s very easy gun. Tab and shoot. IF you don’t understand that it’s easier to hit one front damage shot than continuosly track opponent during that same second you are completely out of your depth in the discussion and have no say in this matter.
This includes you and Amerika now. Both are based into that just stupid since you can somehow think that.

Especially player from CSgo where first shot matters a lot will love bursts. TTK is crazy short.

[quote=“ProfPlump;181370”] it would just change the meta, and Amerika would probably swap guns and loadouts to fit the new meta,.[/quote]Yes, SWITCH weapons for new meta to play on PUBS.

And then post videos on youtube.

The idea of balance is lost on you and just go not only for the meta but also op to PLAY ON PUBS. And then think “why people aren’t picking this game for longer time and it is just full of noobs”.
Because meta and development supports it.

[quote=“ProfPlump;181370”] “Self promoting little piece of d-i-c-k”. Ummm what? At what point did he promote his channel in this post…? Cause I don’t see anything to suggest that he’s advertising himself here or gloating about his channel…[/quote]Look above.

[quote=“ProfPlump;181370”]Of course Kira, Arty and Stoker dominate Chapel - it’s an EV map and fire support mercs get a shittonne of points when they damage the EV. [/quote]No. That was way before as they back then dominated Chapel with their score except Stoker. After bursts where changed now they dominate by killing people just like flies.

It’s stupid as hell.

I used to play Arty on Chapel, now I just feel sick doing so unless I pick now almost fucked up Dreiss, Since bursts are so strong.

[quote=“ProfPlump;181370”] A Skyhammer would also dominate in those situations. But I’ve yet to see Thunders dominating the maps, as you have suggested - most people will stick with a Stoker or a Fragger for their assaulting combat mercs.[/quote]You mean Skyhammer with m4 will now dominate Chapel? Against artys and kiras with bursts?`Are you mental?

[quote=“ProfPlump;181370”]…And if you’re “done with this game long ago” why are you still on the forums?

And also, calm the @$!# down there buddy, and stop acting like a child. No need to start insulting people left right and centre.[/quote]I did check back to the game after latest update.
It’s a joke. Just like the event was and it’s updates.

SD and Nexon fucked it up. And now I know why. Because their moves are supported by likes of Amerika and the opinions of yourself.
“bursts are in good place right now” sayers are just simply dumb and it reflects how people see the weapons they themselves get superratios with are somehow “balanced”.

I have no say in this matter, neither desire, probably get banned but at least I see now why this was fucked. And I had to get this out of my chest. People will understand this thread isn’t just about bursts. This is about supporting ideas that are dead on arrival and things that are clearly broken but are insisted to be ok so even devs think they are “in good place”. This same thing applies to numerous other issues/problems the game has had will continue to have. At least I see now why.

Good job, Good game.

[neverplayseriou]

@retired someone finally starting to make sense on the forums ^-^

[Sefuh_FR]

[quote=“retired”]It’s very easy gun. Tab and shoot. IF you don’t understand that it’s easier to hit one front damage shot than continuosly track opponent during that same second you are completely out of your depth in the discussion and have no say in this matter.
This includes you and Amerika now. Both are based into that just stupid since you can somehow think that.

Especially player from CSgo where first shot matters a lot will love bursts. TTK is crazy short.[/quote]

No.
Csgo gameplay is totally different from DirtyBomb ,
in DB , players are more mobile ( wall jump / rapid strafe …) making players more difficult to hit ESPECIALLY with Burst rifles because you have to predict opponent’s movements at a precise moment ( when you shoot your burst) , while with an automatic rifle you’r constantly trying to correct your “errors of prediction”.
And TTK with burst in DB seems great but the time between each burst AND the delay between each bullet are a real handicap.
You don’t always land the three bullets and sometimes leaves someones with 1-5% of life because you did’nt have the time to land the next burst.

It’s just basic physics and maths…

Complaining about burst rifles nowadays is like complaing about being oneshot by Fel-ix or MOA in heashot. You just need to be more mobile.
Btw i loved Dreiss before his nerf/buff , now it’s one of the hardest weapon to use , but still highly rewarding.

[Amerika]

[quote=“retired;181515”][quote=“ProfPlump;181370”]
Whereas now the most rewarding gun is NOT the easiest gun - it’s a burst rifle (Stark). [/quote]Just @$!# lol.

It’s very easy gun. Tab and shoot. IF you don’t understand that it’s easier to hit one front damage shot than continuosly track opponent during that same second you are completely out of your depth in the discussion and have no say in this matter.
This includes you and Amerika now. Both are based into that just stupid since you can somehow think that.

Especially player from CSgo where first shot matters a lot will love bursts. TTK is crazy short.

[quote=“ProfPlump;181370”] it would just change the meta, and Amerika would probably swap guns and loadouts to fit the new meta,.[/quote]Yes, SWITCH weapons for new meta to play on PUBS.

And then post videos on youtube.

The idea of balance is lost on you and just go not only for the meta but also op to PLAY ON PUBS. And then think “why people aren’t picking this game for longer time and it is just full of noobs”.
Because meta and development supports it.

[quote=“ProfPlump;181370”] “Self promoting little piece of d-i-c-k”. Ummm what? At what point did he promote his channel in this post…? Cause I don’t see anything to suggest that he’s advertising himself here or gloating about his channel…[/quote]Look above.

[quote=“ProfPlump;181370”]Of course Kira, Arty and Stoker dominate Chapel - it’s an EV map and fire support mercs get a shittonne of points when they damage the EV. [/quote]No. That was way before as they back then dominated Chapel with their score except Stoker. After bursts where changed now they dominate by killing people just like flies.

It’s stupid as hell.

I used to play Arty on Chapel, now I just feel sick doing so unless I pick now almost @$!# up Dreiss, Since bursts are so strong.

[quote=“ProfPlump;181370”] A Skyhammer would also dominate in those situations. But I’ve yet to see Thunders dominating the maps, as you have suggested - most people will stick with a Stoker or a Fragger for their assaulting combat mercs.[/quote]You mean Skyhammer with m4 will now dominate Chapel? Against artys and kiras with bursts?`Are you mental?

[quote=“ProfPlump;181370”]…And if you’re “done with this game long ago” why are you still on the forums?

And also, calm the @$!# down there buddy, and stop acting like a child. No need to start insulting people left right and centre.[/quote]I did check back to the game after latest update.
It’s a joke. Just like the event was and it’s updates.

SD and Nexon @$!# it up. And now I know why. Because their moves are supported by likes of Amerika and the opinions of yourself.
“bursts are in good place right now” sayers are just simply dumb and it reflects how people see the weapons they themselves get superratios with are somehow “balanced”.

I have no say in this matter, neither desire, probably get banned but at least I see now why this was @$!#. And I had to get this out of my chest. People will understand this thread isn’t just about bursts. This is about supporting ideas that are dead on arrival and things that are clearly broken but are insisted to be ok so even devs think they are “in good place”. This same thing applies to numerous other issues/problems the game has had will continue to have. At least I see now why.

Good job, Good game.[/quote]

You aren’t super good at reading a YT About or even skimming video titles it would seem. I play every merc and every weapon. I put up videos not to try and get a popular channel but to use for talking points and to give examples when possible to show in motion certain things. Everyone back in the Q3 days used to watch demos of everyone else to see how people play. It’s one of the most efficient and best ways to improve your game. That’s why I put up videos. I’ve never promoted my channel and have never tried to get subs. It’s never been mentioned on any social media account whatsoever.

The fact that you have so much venom built up over me is pretty sad. I’m not sure what I ever did to you other than I have an opinion that apparently differentiates from your own. However, in all your raging, you have yet to articulate why you think the way you do outside of simply calling something OP and then attacking anybody who doesn’t agree with you.

You, according to yourself, don’t even play this game. Are you possibly part of that group of sheep who mindlessly go after the new next “best” thing and then claim how OP it is because you want to feel like you’re part of the “in” crowd who knows what’s best. Some people want to sound smart because they bandwagon what to hate but have no clue why they hate it or why it’s hated. They rely on sounding angry as opposed to informed hoping nobody notices. But you have been noticed.

Let’s cut to it. Post some videos of you. Full unedited videos of you simply dominating everyone and everything at all ranks simply because you chose a burst rifle. And explain why the weapon is too good. I’ve done this myself. I know the bursts are good and I’ve written about them articulating exactly why they are good and why good players are now finally gravitating towards them with the masses now following (and many parroting you funny enough). So, I actually know WHY they are good. I want to see you win at the character select screen. If you want to try and talk to me like you are let’s see you. Or are you simply going to shout from the cheap seats?

Keep personal attacks down. There is no reason for them and they make you sound like a mindless kid who is screaming to be heard but has no idea what they are screaming about. Make articulate points from your view and present them. People don’t have to agree with each other but they do have to be civil and hopefully logical as opposed to childlike and ragey.

[strawberryJacket]

At the very least smooth (SD dev) did confrim that they are working on nerfing burst rifles, so this whole discussion is moot. It kinda bothers me that its taking so long but oh well.

Burst rifles are OP mostly because they are too easy to use for the reward you get and being good at every single exchange range is kinda silly as well. In any case i personally hope for RoF nerf, since i do belive that weapons with huge burst damage should have lower dps (or being harder to use, this isnt the case for burst rifles).

It will probably take a month before we see another patch tho ;(

[Dawnlazy]

Burst rifles are definitely easy to use, low levels in pubs always seem to take out a larger chunk of my HP with them than with any other weapon. The M4 and the Stark are both my most used weapons, when I’m playing well I can get the same results with both, but if I’m in a slump the Stark takes me way farther. The M4 requires constant and efficient tracking, burst rifles don’t require you to have your crosshair directly on the enemy all the time, you have time to readjust.

I don’t think they need a nerf, I think assault rifles should be powerful weapons in general, but I think that the M4 should have its effective range increased to match the burst rifles and the Timik should be reworked into something different. And the Dreiss needs a large buff in order to even have the right to exist.

[Amerika]

You miss one burst you die to even a mediocre player with an m4. You panic even a little in CQC and miss, same thing. Somebody in front of you is super good at random strafing and you miss, you die. It’s ridiculously easy to make people miss by randomizing your strafing (anybody who has played Q3 or CS high levels can do it quite well) which doesn’t work on a person who is using an M4. A lot of the, “it’s so easy” crowd are a lot of the same people that called the guns worthless and impossible to use in CQC a few months ago.

Do you think if you miss a burst on somebody like yourself who is using the m4 that you’ll live? I don’t think you’d take that bet. You can miss a few rounds with the M4 and still come out way ahead.

I’m fine with buffing the range of the m4 or reducing the range of the bursts. Hell, I’d be fine with a RoF decrease on the bursts. I just don’t want the mechanics messed with too much.

I just do not want to see the m4 always being the best and everything else being worse which is the way things were in the past. As a person who plays every merc and every gun in the game I like having meaningful choices and going with my preference as opposed to me having to play only one weapon. And this whole thing is starting to turn into the PDP situation where most people screaming for nerfs don’t even know why the PDP is so good in the hands of Redeye. They blame the gun and not the situation without factoring in how the PDP is used with Redeye to figure out what makes it powerful then come up with a way to reduce that power without gutting the gun.

[Dawnlazy]

You miss one burst you die to even a mediocre player with an m4. You panic even a little in CQC and miss, same thing. Somebody in front of you is super good at random strafing and you miss, you die. It’s ridiculously easy to make people miss by randomizing your strafing (anybody who has played Q3 or CS high levels can do it quite well) which doesn’t work on a person who is using an M4. A lot of the, “it’s so easy” crowd are a lot of the same people that called the guns worthless and impossible to use in CQC a few months ago.

It’s bad to miss a whole burst but at the same time it’s easier to hit more shots than with the M4, plus I don’t see how missing 3 consecutive shots from the M4 won’t screw you over as much as missing a whole burst, given the similar DPS most weapons have you will have missed out on about the same. Like I said I don’t think the burst rifles are OP, just easier to use (based on roughly 22k kills with the M4 and 11k kills with the Stark), and a small adjustment to the other rifles could make up for it. I feel like I prefer the M4 at mid range, but at close and long ranges I prefer the Stark, but my preference at long range is mostly due to less damage fall off, and if the M4 had similar effective range I wouldn’t mind using either from a distance.

As a person who plays every merc and every gun in the game I like having meaningful choices and going with my preference as opposed to me having to play only one weapon.

I agree completely, for instance I switch between the M4 and the Stark on Stoker constantly and I like being able to do so, it’s just that they only feel interchangeable if I’m doing well (but it’s not like picking the Dreiss on Arty or Kira where I feel like I’m playing with a hand tied to my back regardless of how well I’m doing). Again this is all very subjective, based on a very large accumulated playtime but still subjective nonetheless.

[ProfPlump]

[quote=“Amerika;181663”]You miss one burst you die to even a mediocre player with an m4. You panic even a little in CQC and miss, same thing. Somebody in front of you is super good at random strafing and you miss, you die. It’s ridiculously easy to make people miss by randomizing your strafing (anybody who has played Q3 or CS high levels can do it quite well) which doesn’t work on a person who is using an M4. A lot of the, “it’s so easy” crowd are a lot of the same people that called the guns worthless and impossible to use in CQC a few months ago.

It’s bad to miss a whole burst but at the same time it’s easier to hit more shots than with the M4, plus I don’t see how missing 3 consecutive shots from the M4 won’t @$!# you over as much as missing a whole burst, given the similar DPS most weapons have you will have missed out on about the same. Like I said I don’t think the burst rifles are OP, just easier to use (based on roughly 22k kills with the M4 and 11k kills with the Stark), and a small adjustment to the other rifles could make up for it. I feel like I prefer the M4 at mid range, but at close and long ranges I prefer the Stark, but my preference at long range is mostly due to less damage fall off, and if the M4 had similar effective range I wouldn’t mind using either from a distance.

As a person who plays every merc and every gun in the game I like having meaningful choices and going with my preference as opposed to me having to play only one weapon.

I agree completely, for instance I switch between the M4 and the Stark on Stoker constantly and I like being able to do so, it’s just that they only feel interchangeable if I’m doing well (but it’s not like picking the Dreiss on Arty or Kira where I feel like I’m playing with a hand tied to my back regardless of how well I’m doing). Again this is all very subjective, based on a very large accumulated playtime but still subjective nonetheless.[/quote]

You said “I don’t see how missing 3 consecutive shots from the M4 won’t @$!# you over as much as missing a whole burst” and the fact that you don’t get this is exactly why you don’t understand his point.

There’s a relatively large gap between a 1st burst and the 3rd burst, and so if you fail that 2nd burst you have 1) lost DPS and 2) left yourself open in the process. Meanwhile, 3 shots with the M4 takes less time (since there’s no delay between those 3 shots and those preceding and proceeding it) and so you aren’t losing as much time and wasting as much damage - and therefore you are not losing as much DPS and you are not leaving yourself as open.

Let’s compare this in another way - the balance betwen bolt action rifles and the PDP is now leaning towards the PDP as the better rifle. This is because it requires less consistency (as well as having a higher DPS). The PDP in this case is the M4, and the MOA is the Stark. The PDP/M4 require less consistency as a failure in accuracy is less costly compared to the MOA/Stark. This is because one missed shot from the MOA is incredibly detrimental, whereas one missed shot from the PDP is less of an issue, as you can continue to fire follow up shots with speed.

This example^ is just an exaggeration of the dynamic between the M4 and the Stark - one has a more consistent firerate (like the PDP, as it has shorter intervals between shots) while the other has the less consistent firerate but a much more reward if you can fire those few shots accurately (just like the MOA, since it can get an insta-kill, which means you take almost no damage from your opponent).

[B_Montiel]

Smooth answered on warchest that they were investigating a way to balance burst rifles.
On first glance, I totally agree with Amerika that burst rifles need to be a viable option over m4/timik, but also dreiss, and mk46/k121.

But right now, the situation tends to turn 24/7 burst on mercs who can equip it. The tremendous dps advantage start to show in experienced hands now. Not only it has taken a significant turn on m4/timik on various situation where it probably should not, but I see most of good fraggers/thunders totally forget their LMGs.

I admit, burst should give a straight advantage on decal/reflex shooting. But their current setup literally turns light mercs into moving practice targets. It should be rewarding, but it is not. And it totally swipes mercs that should have a straight advantage in cqb situations way too easily.

In my opinion, the single burst to kill situation has nothing to do here, even for 80 hp mercs.
And that’s why br16/stark clearly outclass the dreiss (which I consider quite on spot compared to m4/timik on situations where it’s supposed to have the edge). I play dreiss a lot with kira, for fun. But it’s clearly not a viable option compared to bursts right now. Even landing only 2 bullets out of the burst makes br/stark stronger than the dreiss.

If they want to balance the br16/stark against timik/m4 and also dreiss without fiddling to rpm/cycle rates (they always do a massive clusterfuck with those parameters, so better not touch them), I’d like too see how bursts perform following this rule : landing 2 hits gives you an advantage on m4/timik, 3 hits gives you advantage on dreiss. Yes, I’m talking about reducing the bullet body damage to something near timik/m4. And that’s roughly a 15% damage cut. I’m pretty sure bursts would remain viable in this situation.

[Dawnlazy]

[quote=“ProfPlump;181712”]
You said “I don’t see how missing 3 consecutive shots from the M4 won’t @$!# you over as much as missing a whole burst” and the fact that you don’t get this is exactly why you don’t understand his point.

There’s a relatively large gap between a 1st burst and the 3rd burst, and so if you fail that 2nd burst you have 1) lost DPS and 2) left yourself open in the process. Meanwhile, 3 shots with the M4 takes less time (since there’s no delay between those 3 shots and those preceding and proceeding it) and so you aren’t losing as much time and wasting as much damage - and therefore you are not losing as much DPS and you are not leaving yourself as open.[/quote]

You’re losing 54 damage with a whole Stark burst and 42 damage with 3 consecutive M4 shots, the overall difference is less than 1 single M4 shot, I don’t see how it wouldn’t make a very similar impact on the TTK for both weapons. And maybe it’s just me but I find it easier to hit consistently with the Stark due to the fast in-burst RPM and being able to readjust after each burst. Though like I said I use the M4 A LOT, and the one thing in which it lacks for me compared to the Stark is effective range, given how the Stark is crazy powerful at close range I don’t see why the M4 can’t be as good at long range.

[watsyurdeal]

Honestly, if the M4 had a rof buff to 111 ms, and the Timik re purposed to either be a faster, less damaging ar, or a harder hitting, slower firing one, we’d be pretty much fine.

The Burst Rifles, imo, the Stark is ok, but I think the BR 16 should be back to the way it was before. Less delay between bursts but less damaging.

[ProfPlump]

[quote=“Watsyurdeal;181871”]Honestly, if the M4 had a rof buff to 111 ms, and the Timik re purposed to either be a faster, less damaging ar, or a harder hitting, slower firing one, we’d be pretty much fine.

The Burst Rifles, imo, the Stark is ok, but I think the BR 16 should be back to the way it was before. Less delay between bursts but less damaging.[/quote]

That wouldn’t really solve the issue though.

In my opinion, the balance between the M4/Timk and the BR/Stark is fine. But what I’m seeing now is that a lot of people on this thread are complaining that the LMGs are not being picked, EVER. And THAT is a problem, because those LMGs SHOULD be the specialty weapons of Fragger and Thunder, but they’re too unwieldy to be used effectively.

Those LMGs need a buff. But the Stark doesn’t need a debuff (except maybe in its damage over range).

Similarly, the specialty Driess needs a buff so that it is a king at medium range and moderately effective at short and long ranges, because that’s also a specialty weapon that is never chosen.

[Dawnlazy]

The Burst Rifles, imo, the Stark is ok, but I think the BR 16 should be back to the way it was before. Less delay between bursts but less damaging.

I don’t understand why they changed BOTH in a similar manner, when the idea was to make them feel different from when the Stark was just a BR with less ammo. I don’t really like the way that the new BR turned out to be, just feels like a worse Stark, on Skyhammer and Fragger I still pick the M4 even though most people go with the BR nowadays. Would definitely like it if they were differentiated more.

[WaffleMonster]

My issue with bursts is that they are yet another “1 shot” weapon introduced into the game that are extremely good at long ranges. It has moved the gameplay away from the cqc tracking based engagements into a more long range based game with a much shorter ttk.

[watsyurdeal]

[quote=“Watsyurdeal;181871”]The Burst Rifles, imo, the Stark is ok, but I think the BR 16 should be back to the way it was before. Less delay between bursts but less damaging.

I don’t understand why they changed BOTH in a similar manner, when the idea was to make them feel different from when the Stark was just a BR with less ammo. I don’t really like the way that the new BR turned out to be, just feels like a worse Stark, on Skyhammer and Fragger I still pick the M4 even though most people go with the BR nowadays. Would definitely like it if they were differentiated more.[/quote]

Precisely, I don’t think there should be a middle ground weapon per say since that tends to be the one people pick usually. But picking between rate of fire and damage does typically make good weapon balance, and forces people to really consider their options.

That said, I feel like we need either more cards with more weapons in the future, or just better balanced loadouts. In two more gens I think, we’ll have 9 cards for each merc that are PERFECT, each one fills a niche and does something that fits a particular role or style.

At that point we’d need more weapons for each merc, like the Dreiss on Fragger, or SMG 9 on Aura, or the K 121 for Thunder, etc