Snipers too stronk.

(LiNkz) #21

I’m starting to think that sniper is at fine at the moment, his ability though is borderline useless at the moment to be fair.

You can’t really play sniper through the full map, you could argue that chapel and trainyard are 2 maps you could do that, but I feel like you always need 2 fraggers and 2 medics, so there’s really now room for being “full-time” sniper.

I now play sniper / proxy / sky and swap between them based on what we need. This is the “Utility” / “Objective” slot I guess. It’s quite powerful to have at least one sniper in the team, to switch in and out to be the surprise element of the 5 man team. That said I still think that you need to have really good fraggers in the team and the sniper alone isn’t that threatening.

To be honest I don’t mind aimpunch or ADAD anymore, I realized I have to be faster and move more around the map so that I’m not predictable / spotted before I can get shots in. but to do that you need to be insane! :blush:

(watsyurdeal) #22

My only issue with Vasilli is two things, one, all he’s good for is killing people. So too many on your team is very detrimental.

And two, there’s not a strong counter against him, all it takes is a body shot and a follow up with a secondary to finish off a flanker. There needs to be a merc who excels at killing targets like Vasilli.

(Terr) #23

Especially teams with good medical support, because with anything other than a headshot they’ll get right back up and close the distance while you’re chambering the next bullet.

(chickenNwaffles) #24

Especially teams with good medical support, because with anything other than a headshot they’ll get right back up and close the distance while you’re chambering the next bullet.

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That’s why vassilli needs instagib headshots. Without them, he is literally fucking useless. All these pubbies on the forums are just angry that good comp players can stomp a pub as any class. It’s really sad that people hate vas instagibs, but love fragger nades. It’s pretty obvious what class people play on these forums (hint: it’s not vassilli).

(Ruvan) #25

[quote=“Szakalot;14052”]Its much harder to get kills against good players.

Sure, on a 8v8 pub you will get plenty, but people run around like chickens anyways.

On a 5v5 matchmaking you will find it hard to even get to your sniping position, and you’ll be flanked as soon as spotted. Also people will spam you so you can’t get out of the fox hole : )[/quote]

Right, and that may be a valid point. However, this game will be never be successful if it only appeals to the few people that are good at competitive matchmaking and regularly take part in it.

Great game mechanics can and should work for players of all skill levels.

(Terr) #26

Just to clarify, I’m assuming you mean “enemies who are downed by a headshot bullet are also finished off”, as opposed to “all sniper rifle bullets are instantly fatal to the head of any merc”.

'Cause I wouldn’t be surprised if there are some situations where enemies can withstand a headshot, such as a tankier enemy hit by the semi-auto PDP-70.

(Szakalot) #27

[quote=“exaltedBolt;15226”][quote=“Szakalot;14052”]Its much harder to get kills against good players.

Sure, on a 8v8 pub you will get plenty, but people run around like chickens anyways.

On a 5v5 matchmaking you will find it hard to even get to your sniping position, and you’ll be flanked as soon as spotted. Also people will spam you so you can’t get out of the fox hole : )[/quote]

Right, and that may be a valid point. However, this game will be never be successful if it only appeals to the few people that are good at competitive matchmaking and regularly take part in it.

Great game mechanics can and should work for players of all skill levels.

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well, in the scenario you are describing the sniper is weaker too, right? So he won’t be as proficient at killing, therefore at lower skill levels the weapon remains fine.

Or did you mean ‘great sniper against weak players’ - well in that case, a great player will rotflstomp any class regardless of his merc and loadout.

(Szakalot) #28

Just to clarify, I’m assuming you mean “enemies who are downed by a headshot bullet are also finished off”, as opposed to “all sniper rifle bullets are instantly fatal to the head of any merc”.

'Cause I wouldn’t be surprised if there are some situations where enemies can withstand a headshot, such as a tankier enemy hit by the semi-auto PDP-70.
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if you die from sniper HS you get instagibed. Even with PDP.

(GregHouseMD) #29

Good Vassilis in pubs are annoying, and get good scores. It rarely seems to help the team they’re on, though. I suspect it’s the lack of coordination that makes it difficult to take advantage of it.

I usually counter Vassili by GTFOing and not going anywhere near one. Or in front of one. It’s sort an understanding, you know? I don’t bother him, he doesn’t bother me.

(classyRequiem) #30

In my humble opinion they should have a harder time aiming when taking bullets to the face.

(MasoN) #31

when i played him you could get really close up and do a shot to the body ( usually a quickscope) and pull out the very good submachine gun and finish them off pretty rapidly !wouldn’t say he is op as he is a sniper and it should always be a 1shot head shot however his sidearm is rather powerful.

(Ghosthree3) #32

I think body shots in general might need to do less damage. He should be the one guy that instead of following the rule headshot = double, it should be headshot = quad. So a body shot does 37.5 - or 38 - damage instead of 75. Because body shotting is too easy and too strong imo.

Nothing is worse than sneaking up on him just for him to turn around and hit you in the toe, then finish you with an smg because you don’t have enough health left to have a chance at winning.

(turquoiseFisherman) #33

Vassili is probably the best example of a mercenary in the game that can only be used at his max potential when a player actually knows which ways to utilise him. Players that have no idea how to apply sniping to this game, like a lot of people on the forums, can’t use him for shit but if you’re willing to try new ways of denying an area, insta-gibbing or just providing long to mid range support then you can do amazing things with Vassili.

I’d say Sparks is more broken than Vassili is.

(appreciativeBuster) #34

Nah life is ok now I can use my railgun fully charged to headshot Vassili half across the map

IS IRONIC PARADOX

<3

Rhino stronk now xD