Sniper scope, hold RMB it or click it?

(Herr_Hanz) #21

if someone with 12k DPI and 64 sens is better than me than ill let them be.

(pumpkinmeerkat) #22

3,600 n0 $c0p3z

(Dysfnal) #23

@sneak I hold and I have 52.3% with the Felix, more with the MOA, but that’s invalid because I was WAY too patient with my shots when I used that

EDIT: MOA is invalid

(sneak) #24

[quote=“Dysfnal;185564”]@sneak I hold and I have 52.3% with the Felix, more with the MOA, but that’s invalid because I was WAY too patient with my shots when I used that

EDIT: MOA is invalid[/quote]

I hope you realize that sniper rifles naturally grant higher accuracy so expectations of sniper rifle accuracies are higher than automatics and bursts.

Just about every player will have a higher acc on their sniper rifles and the Dreiss than the other weapons.

For example my Blishlok is at 39% right now with 211,756 shots fired. My MoA is 56.7% with 21,713 shots fired (wow this gun is inconsistent. One day it shoots all headshots and another it just misses constantly).

And the Blish would be higher if I had cared sooner about my settings and fixed my sens but instead I sat there and played Aura Blishlok alot of the beginning of my game (along with Hochfir Proxy). So with that information you can see there’s a clear lead with the MoA.

Every stats page I’ve seen has higher rifle/dreiss acc than on other weps.

Based on my “overall” acc being “39%” and my most used automatic rifles and burst rifles ranging from 38% (barely used Timik) to 39.6% (BR-16 and M4) in addition to the rate at which the accuracy is increasing compared to total shots fired I’ve come to the conclusion I’m shooting 40%+ on a more realistic level than what the game is able to display due to how it tracks overall stats instead of per-game stats. I think it’s a bit higher than that but shouldn’t be by much, and it’s safer to say 40% than something higher when I haven’t hit it on the stat page just yet because the more I play the longer it takes to increase the number.

My pistols are 40.7%, 41.2%, 41.9%, 42.2%, 42.5% and 43.8% but I’m unsure if it’s normal for people’s pistol stats to be higher than their primaries.

(rhetoricalFist) #25

@stayfreshshoe said:
Toggle sight ftw!! We cover this topic a lot on our dev streams and the majority of people are always wrong :stuck_out_tongue:

I’d have to disagree, when you toggle sight you click RMB twice every time you scope. Say you aim down scope, unscope, aim down scope somewhere else, and unscope again, you’re pressing RMB 4 times whereas with hold you hold and release twice. Additionally it helps steady your aim, when you have your pinky on the desk and middle finger pressing down on RMB you have good control scoped.

(KUST__LunarTM) #26

You know, since I’ve read this thread, I switched over to toggle ads, and I have to say my ads aim has greatly improved. Sometimes, though, I forget it’s on toggle and I hold it down still, lol

(Dawnlazy) #27

Toggle everything except for crouch so that my longjump bind doesn’t screw me over.

(Litego) #28

Me neither… arrow keys 4 lyfe!

(Amerika) #29

Me neither… arrow keys 4 lyfe!
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Haha!! Man, arrow keys would drive me insane.

(TheStrangerous) #30

Me neither… arrow keys 4 lyfe!
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I suppose you’re left handed?

I’m left handed myself, but I use mouse with my right hand just fine.

I used to play with arrow keys before WASD, I do believe it was Prince of Persia Sands of Time is where I started WASD. I didn’t play shooters at all back then.

(doxjq) #31

[quote=“sneak;185434”]The amount of difference in speed would not outweigh the benefits of using toggle.

But let’s go into detail on if it’s even faster…

Holding the button means you have to hold it for a longer time than you would when you’re just clicking. So I could argue that toggle ADS is faster because you don’t have to hold the button down as long.

So in addition to this, you get all the negative aspects of using hold ADS if you use it when in comparison you could just do a simple click and have no drawbacks then a simple click to turn ADS off. Not to mention that the ADS in this game isn’t used quite as often as the ones in other games. Speed isn’t really more important than accuracy because of that and the fact this is a tracking based game.[/quote]

What is the benefit of using toggle though?

I use UHJK and have V as my zoom, so for a WASD user that’s the same as using shift to zoom. I push it with my pinky. For me it’s way faster to just hold it down, and release it when I no longer want it. Having to fully press the button twice is much slower than holding it down, and since it’s my left pinky it doesn’t affect my mouse hand at all and I still have all my other fingers available for movement, so my movement isn’t hindered either.

For me having toggle on is just a slower setback. I literally can’t see any advantage what so ever to toggle being turned on?

(Herr_Hanz) #32

tried out toggle for 1 match, was a 2v1, so i didnt practice it a lot. toggle is nice for when you hardscope a lot. but if you quickscope like me toggle is probaly better.

(Litego) #33

[quote=“TheStrangerous;185818”]Generally speaking:

Tap RMB = Baffling [quote=“Litego;185756”][quote=“Amerika;185500”]For example, most of you are using WASD for reasons I’ll never understand. :)[/quote]
Me neither… arrow keys 4 lyfe!
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I suppose you’re left handed?

I’m left handed myself, but I use mouse with my right hand just fine.

I used to play with arrow keys before WASD, I do believe it was Prince of Persia Sands of Time is where I started WASD. I didn’t play shooters at all back then.[/quote]
Nah I’m actually just a regular WASD guy. I see the benefits of using ESDF, but I just don’t want to put the time and effort in to get used to it, losing the position of my big and comfortable shift, ctrl and alt. Guess I was an arrow keys guy back in the 90s, but that’s a while ago.

As for the discussion at hand, I’ve been using both toggle and hold a lot over the years. Back in the days I used to have zoom bound to space and jump bound to mouse2 which made the toggle zoom discussion irrelevant to me, but then I started playing MMOs for a while which forced me to move jump to space like a normal person. I found that holding mouse2 while aiming did decrease my accuracy slightly due to tension in the hand and pressure on the mouse. But this was in other games where you would sit scoped for a while between shots, unlike DB where you either quickscope or scope and flick (at least how I play). In a game like this I feel like holding to zoom gives me more control, and the tension and pressure doesn’t affect me much (if at all), cause I don’t find myself sitting scoped in a lot.

So I think the optimal setting depends on what kind of game it is, and what you prefer to use. Well, I think toggle is objectively better in some games, but I don’t think DB is one of those games. If you feel like holding mouse2 while shooting negatively affects your aim, maybe you should also look into moving fire from mouse1 to the keyboard as well, leaving your mouse hand only focused on aiming, nothing else; some people actually do that.

(TheStrangerous) #34

Seeing how many of you bind RMB to keys. I wonder whether CTRL was the true fire button all this time, and LMB trend brainwashed all of us…

I know in Wolfenstein 3D, CTRL is the fire button.
But as someone mentioned, it is a good question why we don’t have toggle LMB fire mode… Should we make SD create an option like that? :wink:

(Litego) #35

[quote=“TheStrangerous;185890”]Seeing how many of you bind RMB to keys. I wonder whether CTRL was the true fire button all this time, and LMB trend brainwashed all of us…

I know in Wolfenstein 3D, CTRL is the fire button.[/quote]

True, but back then we also aimed with the left and right arrow keys.

(Dysfnal) #36

@sneak this thread is about sniper rifles, your post about 40% accuracy caused me to assume you were talking about said sniper rifles, don’t bring other guns into the conversation because that’s irrelevant

(sneak) #37

I’ve told people several times (including the reasoning) why certain settings are better than others and they often argue the other side. Some people go and try the things out I recommend and they always seem to like what I said was better (not implying that I’m the only one or first one in this thread to like toggle).

[quote=“Litego;185756”]I suppose you’re left handed?

I’m left handed myself, but I use mouse with my right hand just fine.

I used to play with arrow keys before WASD, I do believe it was Prince of Persia Sands of Time is where I started WASD. I didn’t play shooters at all back then.[/quote]

I’m right-handed and aim with my left hand and use arrow keys :).

[quote=“Dox;185820”][quote=“sneak;185434”]The amount of difference in speed would not outweigh the benefits of using toggle.

But let’s go into detail on if it’s even faster…

Holding the button means you have to hold it for a longer time than you would when you’re just clicking. So I could argue that toggle ADS is faster because you don’t have to hold the button down as long.

So in addition to this, you get all the negative aspects of using hold ADS if you use it when in comparison you could just do a simple click and have no drawbacks then a simple click to turn ADS off. Not to mention that the ADS in this game isn’t used quite as often as the ones in other games. Speed isn’t really more important than accuracy because of that and the fact this is a tracking based game.[/quote]

What is the benefit of using toggle though?

I use UHJK and have V as my zoom, so for a WASD user that’s the same as using shift to zoom. I push it with my pinky. For me it’s way faster to just hold it down, and release it when I no longer want it. Having to fully press the button twice is much slower than holding it down, and since it’s my left pinky it doesn’t affect my mouse hand at all and I still have all my other fingers available for movement, so my movement isn’t hindered either.

For me having toggle on is just a slower setback. I literally can’t see any advantage what so ever to toggle being turned on?[/quote]

The benefit of using toggle is you don’t tense your hand up making it harder to aim accurately.

The thread had understandably drifted into a general ADS conversation because the scope toggle/hold option applies to the ADS as well and the reasons people think one is better than the other applies to both the sniper rifles and the regular guns. Therefore, to assume my post was different from the prior conversation was a mistake.

Regarding the “why not rebind attack from mouse1 to something else as well?” that’s a very good question. I’m thinking for me it may be different because I hit mouse1 with my middle finger on my left hand and mouse2 with my index finder on my left hand. When I think about it further, though, I think the reason is you must do a much further movement with the scope and you often have to turn around because people like to flank snipers. It’s simpler to use toggle for these reasons. When you’re holding mouse1 down to attack you’re attacking people in front of your view.

(TheStrangerous) #38

Regarding the “why not rebind attack from mouse1 to something else as well?” that’s a very good question. I’m thinking for me it may be different because I hit mouse1 with my middle finger on my left hand and mouse2 with my index finder on my left hand. When I think about it further, though, I think the reason is you must do a much further movement with the scope and you often have to turn around because people like to flank snipers. It’s simpler to use toggle for these reasons. When you’re holding mouse1 down to attack you’re attacking people in front of your view.
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Say, do you fire using your index finger or middle finger? Perhaps I should start using fire button with middle finger.

(sneak) #39

Regarding the “why not rebind attack from mouse1 to something else as well?” that’s a very good question. I’m thinking for me it may be different because I hit mouse1 with my middle finger on my left hand and mouse2 with my index finder on my left hand. When I think about it further, though, I think the reason is you must do a much further movement with the scope and you often have to turn around because people like to flank snipers. It’s simpler to use toggle for these reasons. When you’re holding mouse1 down to attack you’re attacking people in front of your view.
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Say, do you fire using your index finger or middle finger? Perhaps I should start using fire button with middle finger.[/quote]

Middle, but I use my left hand.

(Xyfurion) #40

Completely subjective and utterly up to you.

@stayfreshshoe You may be the only one that actually likes toggle