SMG/sub-SMG balance questions.

(Jostabeere) #1

Could someone explain to me why sidearm-SMGs are as good as main weapon SMGs? There are multiple Mercs with main guns AND SMGs which are on the same quality as mercs who have a SMG as main and a lousy pistol. For example Empire-9. It is as powerful as all main SMGs and is a sidearm.

(Amerika) #2

The secondaries are nice but nowhere near as good as the main guns. Not even in the same ballpark when you factor in bloom, recoil, capacity, power and RoF.

(Jostabeere) #3

[quote=“Amerika;27111”]The secondaries are nice but nowhere near as good as the main guns. Not even in the same ballpark when you factor in bloom, recoil, capacity, power and RoF.[/quote]And that’s why everyone who ever plays a Fletcher uses it as main-arm and says “You should use the SMG more than the shotgun”?
Empire-9 deals good damage for an SMG, has the or the second highest RoF and a capacity of 40 like the main SMGs, doesn’t it? Same with the Tolen. If you face 2 people. one with the base SMG or the Crotzni and both fire at the same time, the Tolen and Empire-9 will kill faster. We tested it. FLetcher with Tolen/EMpire against Sawbonez with SMG-9 and Crotzni. We timed the shooting. All 4 times Fletcher dominated Sawbonez with his side-arms.

(Amerika) #4

Well, your testing methodology was flawed. However, there is this spreadsheet that gives you the exact numbers for each weapon among other handy things. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1yYDiX77THpjA-hImu2eRLio-ayOvGnDEeorZgHAieVQ/edit#gid=490808091

You also have to factor in things like ammo capacity per mag, the other things I mentioned that affects accuracy and stuff like aimpunch and damage falloff.

(god1) #5

The DPS difference is practically non-existant and that’s the most important thing since you’ll be using those machine pistols mostly in close quarters anyways so range isn’t a factor and they are accurate enough in those situations.

(Ardez1) #6

The DPS difference is practically non-existant and that’s the most important thing since you’ll be using those machine pistols mostly in close quarters anyways so range isn’t a factor and they are accurate enough in those situations.[/quote]

So why aren’t you complaining that a single headshot with ANY shotgun can instant kill every merc in the game except Rhino? :slight_smile:

lol

I guess I just don’t see the imbalance personally, as all guns have some crazy numbers.

If we just want to talk about DPS, the snipers have the lowest in the game yet they are the most complained about for being OP. If you sort that sheet by DPS all of the machine pistols are below ALL of the normal SMGs. :confused:

(god1) #7

I don’t see the part where I’m complaining about something but I do see one moderator who doesn’t seem to have a sufficient grasp of the game to provide educated comments on the balance of the game.

(Mr-Penguin) #8

He knows what he’s doing. Don’t judge based on one post.

(Nail) #9

I’d suggest a way to differentiate between player and Mod views is needed, they will always be at odds

(Ardez1) #10

Apologies for jumping the gun in my reply to your post. I made an assumption that was just plain false. Hope this doesn’t come between us. :slight_smile:

Also, I wasn’t asked to be a moderator because of my opinions, only because I was helpful around the forums. I have zero say in what goes into the game balance or content wise. I’m just a player that took on additional responsibilities to help support the game.

Sorry to draw this thread off track. :frowning: