Dear SD,
i know you have to feed your empoyees families and dogs. Thats absolutely ok. Maybe you are very buisy with the DLC or already planing the next thing. PLZ don´t get me wrong, i like Brink, although its dissapoining in some ways for pc-players. Lots of things have been mentioned and im shure you are aware of them and maybe fix some of them. But PLZ PLZ PLZ PLZ PLZ…
SHUFFLE … like in etqw !!!
this game is not ment to be played with completly imbalanced games. so plz.
Shuffle is really just there to please players who don’t like to lose in this style of game.
Couldn’t count the times I heard ‘teams are unbalanced, shuffle plox’ in ET:QW. If there’s even team numbers, play the bloody game! You will lose sometimes…
Back in the day, our server refused to shuffle and still managed to be immensely popular. Shuffle is over-rated and unnecessary.
WN75, shuffle effectively re-sorts the teams by taking the players and randomly switching them around. Some will stay on the same team, others will be moved.
Yeah, no thanks. Maybe a Shuffle game type that does not allow parties to join (disables XBL/PSN chat), but I like to join games and play on the same side WITH my friends.
@ Wolf: well …kind of. if there are stacked teams ( = one team is far far way more better than the other and noone changes teams - not possible in brink anyway ) you can call a vote for shuffle. either by xp or acidentally. that makes shure the game is fun and challenging for people on pubs.
@ goo :
young padavan - you missed the point.
Its actual quite the opposite of what you say: The Style of game is competitive. But theres not competition if teams gets stacked. Only Noobs like to play in a team of good players against a bunch of noobs.
the math is simple:
Close game = Good game
-> A good game is exiting, challenging and enjoyed no matter if win or loss !! <-
If one team “rules” or “owns” the other more than … lets say 2 maps … its time to mix up teams. “ruling” and “owning” of people that are just learning the game, dont know all the “tricks” and “dips” or are just casual players that play once in a while is immature and ruins the game itself after a while.
@ sin: good point. thats the problem.
Auto-balancing does this automatically at the end of the match. Takes the EXP or overall effectiveness in this case EXP, and divides the teams accordingly based on each players performance. Just an idea that has been done in other games!
Nope. I got the point right. Based on experience, players complain and call for a reshuffle at the slightest sign of an objective being done too quickly.
Many times, I have seen the first objective get steam-rolled. People cry out for shuffling. It doesn’t happen. Then the defence get their act together and the attacking team has a much harder time. Often bringing the game close towards the end.
Other times, yes; the maps are over fairly quickly. But. On the next campaign the teams shuffle naturally. There’s no need to force shuffling mid game. Unless you can’t take a beating and don’t want to learn/work as a team.
As I say, this is based on my experience in ET:QW where we refused to shuffle games. It never hurt the game, our server or our enjoyment.
Oh, and it’s ‘padawan’.
hey goo: yes, i have to admit you´re right here. got the same experience in etqw … whiners are always a " problem"… that s true.
but leaving a basicaly good thing out because some people use it for beeing whiners??
depending on the % needed to give the shuffle vote a go could manage this.
and the whiners whine anyway. but lots of peeps now just leave the game if - and that happenes in brink - one team gets overpowered. and not the whiners leave but beginners that get lost for the game after 2 - 3 of such experiences.
offer them at least a chance.
fireteams could be excluded from shuffling so that friends stay together.
Very good point, I’ve thought about shuffle quite a few times in my experience with Brink.
I think the ideal solution would be to A. make it a vote, so you’re not “forced” to shuffle if the majority doesn’t want to and B. respect xbox live parties/fireteams. That way, we can at least have an option if we feel the teams are stacked. I wouldn’t go as far as saying we should implement “auto-balancing” even though the option sounds very good. It would mean a much higher chance of having balanced teams which, let’s be honest, is WAY more fun than demolishing a team or worse, getting obliterated continually because your teammates aren’t on the same skill level as your enemies.
Ever been camped at the beginning of Container City or Sec Tower? Sh!t just becomes so boring, repetitive and worse, all your teammates rage quit, being replaced by ****ty bots. If we could call a shuffle before everyone rage quits, the attacking team would get a decent chance of switching some terrible players with good ones, and the spawncamping would stop for sure. In RTCW/ET, callvote shuffle was very useful to avoid team stacking, which sucks hard. I know we all want to play with friends and all, but there’s nothing wrong playing with 3 of your buddies with 3-4 “bad” players and have your 3-4 other buddies on the other side teaming up with other noobs. Heck, shuffle it again at the end of the match and you have another mix with different friends to work with!
Anyways, thats my 2 cents, I hope to God they implement it with the patch that comes with the DLC, it would be awesome. I mean think about it - think about the people who will decide to give another go at Brink because of the DLC. If they come on multiplayer only to find games with stacked teams, they won’t return and it won’t even be because of the game itself!
If we want to help reviving this game, we need to make efforts to balance the games and have a fun time, even if it sometimes means switching to the underdog team (which I do quite often nowadays).
Oops, you guys posted before me so I kind of rehashed what you said lol
In brink usually or your team dominates or your team gets dominated, so ye a shuffle default option is welcome.
dont forget about the “manual” shuffle setting that’s already implemented (i.e. if you notice the teams balance sucks, switch to the undermanned team. spawn camping is not much of a challenge nor is rolling 6 humans vs 2, and you develop bad habits playing this way. breaking a spawn camp is f-ing hard, and rolling on the undermanned team isnt much easier, but it’s a good way to get better. or bloody your head trying (pounding it repeatedly against the brick wall can hurt).
While /\ is only mostly serious, i do think a more forceful team balance framework - i.e. putting new players on the undermanned team, not letting players switch from the 3v5 to make it 2v6, etc. would help.
Lately, we’ve been shuffling the teams on our own. We played Stopwatch tonight with this method.
While I will personally usually go over to an undermanned team when I notice it not many other people will do that. If teams were shuffled after each map or after a couple maps it would help ease things up and not have a whole team ragequit and leave you with a half empty server which is no fun at all even if you were on the winning side. For PC it is hard enough to get people playing. Obviously this wouldn’t be used for competitions but for pub servers (the majority) I don’t see anything wrong with it. Again, this would be after matches and not shuffling midgame.
I´m on PC, so i´m talking about a full server, only humans, where manually switching teams isn´t possible as long as noone leaves.
I don´t like the Idea of Auto-Shuffe once in a while, cos i enjoy very much to find other players that start to act as a Team ( even if SD made it very hard with this broken VOIP thing).
It needs maybe 1 to 1 and a half maps to recognise whos playing team and whos just doing something… then i like to keep the teamplayers in focus, stick with thwm and keep them going.
Auto-Shuffel would make this impossible.
Also it´s not about Spawnrapes on CC. Thats another problem that could be fixed with some minor map-tweaking.
To me it´s about the situation ( that i face once in a while ) that one team plays well together, good teamwork, Obj-focused, good aiming. In the aother team there are maybe 2- 3 peeps knowing what to do but most of the players, intentionally or just because they don´t know better, just doing silly things like wandering around looking for an firefight, camping in useless places, looking for a clue …
calling this a good or fun game is ridiculous. even for the winning team it´s boring after one map.
The solution could be a Vote for Shuffle ( xp depending or acidentially) that will be performed after the map has ended and excludes fireteams so that buddies can stay together ( well their xp are counted to equal the teams but they either dont change teams or they change together.)
If a given ( server setting ) % of players vote no, the shuffle isn´t done.
That keeps the problem with immature players that enjoy “owning” Noobs, but gives at least the possibility to even up teams for an enjoying, fun and challenging game for everybody.
neg0ne
PS: my best and most enjoyed games ever since rtcw / et / etqw where losses … but man, sooooo close !!!
[QUOTE=*goo;361234]Shuffle is really just there to please players who don’t like to lose in this style of game.
Couldn’t count the times I heard ‘teams are unbalanced, shuffle plox’ in ET:QW. If there’s even team numbers, play the bloody game! You will lose sometimes…
Back in the day, our server refused to shuffle and still managed to be immensely popular. Shuffle is over-rated and unnecessary.
WN75, shuffle effectively re-sorts the teams by taking the players and randomly switching them around. Some will stay on the same team, others will be moved.[/QUOTE]
but sometimes you get all the noobs on one side. i often swap to help them out but sometimes you cant be the only person to do all the objectives. esp with all your team sniping at their spawn <facepalm>
also, should shuffle work with fireteams? might be better to shuffle people not in fireteams?