Shuffle teams problem.


(Talak) #1

The first match I played today was very bizarre.

I was playing a stopwatch match on trainyard. My team won the first round on the attacking side in 7 minutes. We completely denied the other team in the second, but the attacking side was calling a shuffle team vote every few minutes. I assume there is a two or three minute cool down on it, otherwise they probably would have kept calling one.

Once the timer hit zero, they made a final attempt to shuffle the teams and incredibly the vote passed after the match had ended. I ended up staying on the defending team, but a majority of the people I was playing with ended up on the attacking side and they lost. I know I was given credit for the win because I was given the daily as did the players on my team.

There needs to be a limit to how many of these votes can be called in a single match and players shouldn’t be able to call one after the first round.


#2

This makes me so angry.
I’m completely fine with balancing a match.
However, I will not vote yes if there are only two minutes remaining and no objectives are done (aka when it’s impossible to turn it around).

I really hope the devs set a certain time limit or something.


(Ballto) #3

just remove the shuffle vote and add in a mechanic that makes players on teams with three or more players swap in autobalance

dirty bomb is now balanced(ish)


(Carniege) #4

There is a game I know that will penalise you for leaving battles. However it is a slower game, so I don’t know how it work for Dirty Bomb but I guess it can be possible. The other game will give you like 3 strikes if you abandon the match after which you get banned for a few hours, then days etc etc.

Maybe not do this for public servers as that will be too much stress to handle for the system and the players themselves but I think we should implement something for ranked battles. I was in a good game of 5 v 5 then our only engineer left the game. It was now 4 v 5 without much hope to do anything about the EV. I know it’s our fault for not having more engineers but still it got quite annoying.


(Talak) #5

@RazielWarmonic Something needs to be done. I just played a match where a single player called a shuffle vote 14 times in a single match. I checked the console to confirm the number.


(Apofenas) #6

The system needs some overhauling.

I made a thread not so long ago:
[spoiler]Hello!

I was spectrating 3v6 game when i started writing this. I played a 3v6 right before on that server and didn’t have a mood to participate in another unfair one.

Balancing in this game is obviously fucked up. Those shuffle team votes never pass. This has to get at least some attention from game developers. First thing that needs changin is auto-balance system itself.

By that i mean what team shuffle vote does. Would you want to appear in losing team in last minute without ability to change anything? - No? Than press “No”. That means game has to restart once vote passed through with keeping gained XP before vote.

Another thing is how vote works. Basicly with even teams you need your team and somebody from other team to vote “yes”… If you have a couple players less, somebody just joining in game and still loading in lobby, AFK or simply new player, no vote is going to pass. System needs remove afk players to spectrators after 30-40 seconds of idling and than kick after 2 minutes from spectrators. It also must not take into account players that still pick mercs and load outs in lobby before joining. Each team should have 50% votes total votes, that means in team with 4 members each member has 12.5% vote while in team with 8 members - 6.25%. If you get 60% “yes” votes total, shuffle passes and 2 players that voted “yes” change team and game restarts as 6v6.

Auto-balance system would be good if it’s made properly. If one team has 2 players less it should ask all players in bigger team if someone wants to change team to keep a balance. If multiple players agree - system takes their XP into account. To promote team swap i’d suggest to grant from 25 to 100 credits depending on how close is the end of game.

Funny quote from that 3v6 game. “Why do you whine about balance?” - somebody from 6 player team[/spoiler]

Auto-balance can solve problem with uneven amount of players in teams. Game restart after shuffle (but keep gained XP) could solve people voting “No” after half of game. Giving each team 50% votes total instead of each player having same vote % would prevent people from intentionally keeping game inbalanced.

With that the only reason to call shuffle again and again would be to troll, but for that we have a “report player” feature, isn’t it?


(torsoreaper) #7

There’s no reason vote shuffle should be allowed in the last 1/2 to 1/3 of a map.

Then again, it should be easier to pass a vote shuffle in the first 1/3 to 1/2 of the map but that’s a different rant.


(FalC_16) #8

inb4…I made my post about this as well. Hopefully they will disable the shuffle feature some reasonable time before the end of the match.

People always find ways how to abuse the system.


(Jostabeere) #9

The game needs a report option for people who abuse the shuffle. I got shuffled to def after I blew up both objects in 3 minutes on Trainyard singlehandeldy. I went into spec after this just because fuck them.


(PD_Agent47) #10

http://imgur.com/h6jc0D7
this is what shuffle team vote gives you :smiley: :smiley: