Should I contact WCB before I hire Phantom? How about a reply from the "great" SD instead?

(watsyurdeal) #21

First of all, I wouldn’t trust an opinion for a FPS, from a group named MMOHuts.

Second, as TF2 has shown a character fully dependent on melee only is doomed. Because there will be scenarios that will be entirely out of your control. Like someone turning around at the right time, or another person coming around the corner to catch you in the act.

You need a backup plan, which is why he has an SMG. With the right tweaks he can be a mix of melee and gun. But it depends on Splash to decide where to go from here.

(Adam) #22

[quote=“Watsyurdeal;37726”]First of all, I wouldn’t trust an opinion for a FPS, from a group named MMOHuts.

Second, as TF2 has shown a character fully dependent on melee only is doomed. Because there will be scenarios that will be entirely out of your control. Like someone turning around at the right time, or another person coming around the corner to catch you in the act.

You need a backup plan, which is why he has an SMG. With the right tweaks he can be a mix of melee and gun. But it depends on Splash to decide where to go from here. [/quote]

Personally I had no issue with Phantom in Closed Beta though… I was able to chain kills in CBT1 (when he was OP) and in CBT2, I was able to keep up with the team. The issue is alot of players don’t know how to use a class like phantom.

You also say TF2 Shows Melee classes can’t work. Look at Block N Load, look at Archem Impostors. 2 games that show that Melee does work. You base you opinion on a game where the class isn’t even the same. Spy is a stealth class, while Phantom is more of a rush class.

Also, Spy is not even close to weak. You obviously just need practice, there is a guy called “Arlix” he is considered the best Spy in the game. (maybe, I just looked up “best spy on tf2” into youtube.)

(watsyurdeal) #23

If you really think I don’t know how to play Spy, look me up on youtube.

And my point was that just melee only doesn’t work because overtime the enemy catches on. The same thing over and over doesn’t work, people adapt, you need a backup plan. That’s where SMGs come in. They tried limiting him to just melee and that didn’t work. Even if people didn’t know how to play him it’s still not hard to figure out how a class works and how to best deal with them.

Everything scales with time, the people you could kill easily will learn how to deal with you, and suddenly they aren’t so easy anymore. At that point you have to rely on your team to do your job…or, get a gun and basically become Scout with cloak. Which is what it seems they are going for, allowing both depending on the circumstances.

At least with a proper weapon he can go for a gun pick instead if the enemy is already lit or in a spot where crossfire is an issue.

(LifeupOmega) #24

I’ve played with some of the higher end competitive spies in TF2 and rarely can they do anything but Amby shot cross map once you shut them down. And that’s the thing about Spy, that he’s directly countered by people actually paying attention, and once they find that gap where people falter they can shine. Communication is key after all, which everyone in that video seemed to lack (does this guy have any comp videos?).

Hopefully its not the same issue with Phantom, and looking at how he works, it won’t be - he can soak more damage than a Fragger during his cloak moments, reliable health, has a solid weapon choice, and can still play the infiltrator role.

(LANshark) #25

i feel as though i will like phantom. Not as a super serious class but as a class that ill use playing with friends for the lolz. The addition of a smg and his cloak being able to be used as a shield should be able to stop phantom from being shut out of a match completely. I don’t care about that, i’m just going to stab people from cloak and scare them to death.

(cornJester) #26

Things change. You either have to adapt or move on. If you are playing a game you dislike because of a character that isn’t even implemented yet, who was removed to be reworked and rebalanced because he was not as they desired and you expect that nothing major will have changed in that time then all I can say is you should just find something else.