i see that some people want that, some dont and i wanted to make it clear for devs
IN CASE THEY DONT KNOW THAT
hopefully they will see thet
should bust rifles be nerfed?
BananaSlug
(BananaSlug)
#1
MisterBadmin
(MisterBadmin)
#3
Burst rifles and Shotguns don’t currently fit the core of DB.
I’ve said it before, I’ll say it again: I play DB because it has relatively high TTK. I like dueling, not nuking.
I play an excessive amount of Arty (B81). As I’ve gotten better, I’ve felt myself getting lazier in aiming. With M4 Skyhammer, I always aimed for the watermelon. With the BR, I’ve noticed that I aim for the upper chest, especially at really close and super far ranges. I know it puts out insane damage, so I subconsciously don’t bother going for headshots. Two bursts will drop most things, so I only really think about dinking the watermelon against Thunder and Rhino.
I hate that I’ve become this.
Apofenas
(Apofenas)
#4
I’d like to hear how do you want it to get nerfed specificly?
Judging by poll from February-March people still prefer Timik/M4 over Stark/BR. http://forums.dirtybomb.nexon.net/discussion/24141 Not a lot of changes happened since than. Exept probably 170 hp merc running around with Stark more often.
I would like Burst rifles to be nerfed a bit so Dreiss is used more on Kira/Arty, but i wouldn’t like Stark/BR to be overnerfed so they become a worse option than LMG or assault rifles for SkyBro/Stoker/Fragger/Thunder.
I consider Dreiss a part of Burst rifle balance and i’m afraid my favorite weapon gets nerfed with them if that happens.
MisterBadmin
(MisterBadmin)
#5
@Apofenas
I don’t know exactly how I want them nerfed, mostly because overnerfing is a serious possibility. My intuition says increase the time of each burst and reduce the delay in between bursts to keep the same overall damage per second (move BR16 closer to full auto, Stark closer to BR16). I feel like that might not fully deal with the nuking problem, but it would be a start.
I have the same thoughts. I don’t use the Dreiss much because it’s a lot harder to use, but I think buffing it to the current level of bursts is the wrong way to go.
Tweaks to the LMGs are a discussion for another thread, but overbuffing could lead to an even more extreme hot potato weapon meta.
Dreiss is a part of burst balance, but there’s no way it’s getting hit with the nerf bat.
Supersneaky
(Supersneaky)
#6
Burst rifles need a bit more recoil and dmg fall off, this will stop the sniping with them as much and tripple headshots would be harder if the recoil of each shot (3 in total) had more recoil, so in a burst the gun moves up a bit.
To balance the dreis, id like to see a reload speed buff so it can keep up at even close range fights
jooshoyes
(hoyes)
#8
The most abused weapons in the game(especially br-16) that noobs win gunfights with terrible aim just because their guns are ridiculously damaging and too easy to use. Pls just make them much harder to use (like the accuracy nerf to the stark, which made it less spammy).
deftMoon
(deftMoon)
#9
Lol. Most of you want to nerf weapons whenever you get wrecked by it. Burst rifles are rewarding to players with good aim. And if yours isnt that great, guess what? You deserve to get wrecked. Its always like that. Nerf burst rifles, nerf shotguns, nerf m4, nerf PDP, nerf …PLS. Have you tried to use burst rifles? Try it, and if you suddenly start wrecking everybody else and you are on top of the scoreboard, then let us know. Because prob your aim isnt that great when always willing to nerf whatever weapon you got killed with.
Burst rifles are in a state that shouldnt be nerfed or buffed. Nerfing will make it useless and too weak compared to timik and m4 and dreiss and grandeur and …A buff isnt the way to go as well because it would surpass the rest. Its good where it. Those delays between bursts and shots is a huge con. I guarantee that when any noob sees others using burst rifles and tries to copy them, his aim is even worse. The weapon may be used by majority, but that means it needs a nerf right? RIGHT. Great logic my friend. There is always a trend going on, to nerf whatever weapon. Hold ur horses.
I mean, LOOK at the reasons that you guys are giving, seriously. “Make it harder to use.” “more recoil and dmg fall off” “weapon abused by majority” “noobs win gunfights with terrible aim” OHH, and “increase burst delay”
Noobs win gunfights with terrible aim huh? Im pretty sure you got wrecked by lower level players and assum that their aim is terrible and ur acting salty.
With all of these reasons and suggestions, might as well use a knife. After your guys suggestions, I guess punches would be stronger. I mean, dmg fall off? Snipers get wrecked? They should if they get killed from a distance. So no weapon should be able to reach snipers right? RIGHTTT. So, snipers become invincible right? RIGGGHT. Increase burst delay? Really? SKIP.
And in the other hand as well, m4 and timik are sufficient to wreck players with burst rifles, it all depends on skill. Strafe and aim. So, think about it. Do you really need to ruin the weapon, or is it just you mad?
Tanker_Ray
(Tanker_Ray)
#10
Now I have no idea how many times do I have to explain why those two needs a nerf.
Gosh. Those who think they are fine, can you please check those two’s stats first?
Only reason I can find bursts are leaved like this is because those two are currently the best, no. the ONLY weapons to kill/damage 110HP Vassili from far range.
I won’t even gonna talk about BR.
Just like @Jokder said, it should be less spammy than right now.
Female merc aren’t even the biggest victim of burst rifles.
It is PHOENIX.
opicr0n
(opicr0n)
#11
Isnt it that they feel overpowered because Thundah? Who is an serious bullet sponge. It does not matter which weapon he wields, he feels OP. \
At least if the player has aim.
869wizard
(869wizard)
#13
[quote=“deftMoon;192422”]Lol. Most of you want to nerf weapons whenever you get wrecked by it. Burst rifles are rewarding to players with good aim. And if yours isnt that great, guess what? You deserve to get wrecked. Its always like that. Nerf burst rifles, nerf shotguns, nerf m4, nerf PDP, nerf …PLS. Have you tried to use burst rifles? Try it, and if you suddenly start wrecking everybody else and you are on top of the scoreboard, then let us know. Because prob your aim isnt that great when always willing to nerf whatever weapon you got killed with.
Burst rifles are in a state that shouldnt be nerfed or buffed. Nerfing will make it useless and too weak compared to timik and m4 and dreiss and grandeur and …A buff isnt the way to go as well because it would surpass the rest. Its good where it. Those delays between bursts and shots is a huge con. I guarantee that when any noob sees others using burst rifles and tries to copy them, his aim is even worse. The weapon may be used by majority, but that means it needs a nerf right? RIGHT. Great logic my friend. There is always a trend going on, to nerf whatever weapon. Hold ur horses.
I mean, LOOK at the reasons that you guys are giving, seriously. “Make it harder to use.” “more recoil and dmg fall off” “weapon abused by majority” “noobs win gunfights with terrible aim” OHH, and “increase burst delay”
Noobs win gunfights with terrible aim huh? Im pretty sure you got wrecked by lower level players and assum that their aim is terrible and ur acting salty.
With all of these reasons and suggestions, might as well use a knife. After your guys suggestions, I guess punches would be stronger. I mean, dmg fall off? Snipers get wrecked? They should if they get killed from a distance. So no weapon should be able to reach snipers right? RIGHTTT. So, snipers become invincible right? RIGGGHT. Increase burst delay? Really? SKIP.
And in the other hand as well, m4 and timik are sufficient to wreck players with burst rifles, it all depends on skill. Strafe and aim. So, think about it. Do you really need to ruin the weapon, or is it just you mad?
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Ok honestly what are you talking about? They are over-powered weapons, if you have a stoker with a M4, and a stoker with Stark, and the’re the same skill level who do you think will win? Oh wait, never mind, who will win? The one with the stark. Duh. All they need to do to nerf it is just knock it’s DMG down a couple of points. It’s no big deal, but then players wont be able to kill people with one burst, and isn’t that what we want?
And WTF do you mean by “rewarding players with good aim”? That’s the lamest way of saying you don’t want to give something up that you know is broken.
jooshoyes
(hoyes)
#14
@deftMoon The fact is that skill does not=reward with burst rifles. If your opponent is at the same skill level as you and they are not using a br, then its an easy win. Especially since casual matchmaking is coming, this will be seen as a large issue if they are not nerfed, as the burst rifles would be the only weapons anyone would use in higher level play, which i disagree on. They should have a niche and should perform outstandingly within it, rather than what it is presently where they outdo every weapon at almost every range.There are very few flaws with these weapons, and i think it is high-time to see them take there proper place in DB.
Dawnlazy
(Dawnlazy)
#18
^The 10% nerf on the BR’s burst is very noticeable. I was getting into BR-16 Fragger before the nerf, now it’s all M4 when I use him. Stark still feels good but definitely misses occasional shots that would have hit before.
nokiII
(nokiII)
#19
I actually really like the BR16 now and kinda hate the stark. The 800rpm in burst just doesn’t work with my clicking rhythm somehow.
Cletus_VanDamme
(Cletus_VanDamme)
#20
[quote=“BananaSlug;200583”]@grumpyBull Necro
But that nerf didn’t change anything[/quote]
I dunno m8, I can feel a difference.
Regardless, I’d really love to see the Dreiss get some love.
From my experience with FPS games, the single shot rifles are always harder to use, but a more rewarding alternative to the auto / burst rifles.
In this game the Dreiss feels harder to use, but not more rewarding than the auto / burst rifles, IMO, which is a mistake.