Shotgun

(FiliusDei) #1

This is weapon is so unbalanced, rly, 1 shot and any guy is dead. You need to fix that.
Thanks.

(watsyurdeal) #2

It’s almost as if it’s good at close range…

(Apofenas) #3

Headshots with sniper rifles, REVIVR, burst rifles, nades, mines, stickies ect is a legit insta kill at any distance, but shotgun to the face from 1 meter is imba and must not kill 80 hp merc at close range, right?

(JJMAJR) #4

He just wants Chopper to be good.

(sgtCrookyGrin) #5

yeeesss, shotguns shouldn’t be gud at CQC -_-

(solace_) #6

well considering you have to be barrel stuffing most characters right in the head to kill them with a shotgun. I would say it is fairly balanced.

If you don’t like getting killed by shotguns, learn to stay away from them when people are using them in the server you are in.

The exact same thing goes for snipers except opposite. You have to get up in their face, dont engage them at range.

You cant really complain about weapons that are highly situational. You could argue that weapons such as the assault rifles or burst rifles are MAD OP because they can kill people at a huge variety of ranges with just a few headshots.

Its all about your perspective of what over powered is.

(ZeroFactor) #7

Having a gun that can 1 shot or 2 shot most mercs is great but when you factor in that at long range, you are pretty much useless, it balances out rather nicely. Also, once you run out of your very limited amount shells in the chamber (or whatever its called), you are pretty much screwed.

(Sithas) #8

Many will problably disagree, but personally i think shotguns are in need of a smal nerf, shotgun should be strong at close range nothing wrong with that, but one/two-shotting people is a bit much, it gives you barely time to react to the enemy(or no time at all with a one-shot)
Many other things can one-shot too but with one difference it atleast takes a certain amount of skill to kill, shotgun takes no skill to use. Then we have people saying that you need to learn to keep your distance from shotguns, while from personal experience i found out that more than 50% game is all about close quarter combat.(yes i know other people have different experience, thats why I say personal experience)
Again i’m not saying to nerf shotgun the way phantom got nerfed, just a little damage reduction so that one/two-shot kill becomes two/three-shot kill. That way you have just a little more time to react to the enemy, and people with a shotgun actually need to put a little effort in combat.
And at last for all the people disagreeing with the OP, while his statement is indeed flawed, the only mercs i havent one-shotted with a shotgun until now are rhino, thunder and fragger.
The rest of the mercs can easely be one-shotted

(JJMAJR) #9

Shotguns at medium range actually do take skill to use. Most maps have large areas of medium range combat and it’s nearly impossible to survive out there without any medium range tools better than a pistol.

That’s why a shotgun two-shots at medium range. A proper Timik player should be able to deal with shotguns.

Shotguns aren’t good weapons. Leave them alone.

(Jansku) #10

[quote=“succinctDeer;147235”]well considering you have to be barrel stuffing most characters right in the head to kill them with a shotgun. I would say it is fairly balanced.

If you don’t like getting killed by shotguns, learn to stay away from them when people are using them in the server you are in.

The exact same thing goes for snipers except opposite. You have to get up in their face, dont engage them at range.

You cant really complain about weapons that are highly situational. You could argue that weapons such as the assault rifles or burst rifles are MAD OP because they can kill people at a huge variety of ranges with just a few headshots.

Its all about your perspective of what over powered is.[/quote]
Says apparent Proxy player.

Shotguns are close area combat spammers and awful for game like this.

They are stupid in their current state and need to be fixed ASAP.

So you are saying that you should stay out of servers that have shotgun proxies and auras just spamming their shotguns in cqc?

Sounds fun game that, not.

I am at least gottten tired of these clearly unable to aim otherwise noobs that score easy kills with shotguns just staying behind corners, healing station or running around amok in houses.

It doesn’t require ANY skill.

(Szakalot) #11

it doesnt take any skill to counter shotguns either, shotties are so weak i always laugh at them, especially the jump spammers

(Jansku) #12

Really?

You are so skilled you counter shotguns that jump around corners and kill you with one shot? What do you play? Nader?

(SzGamer227) #13

;-; i cri erytiem

No but seriously this is almost exactly how I play Fletcher, and it’s not hard to see how much more effective it would be if he had a Hochfir or another non-Blish SMG. Shotguns are horrible if you use them on their own as a primary weapon… I find it’s best just to land a couple of good hits with an Ahnuhld then finish them off with an Empire-9, but trying to pick them off only using the shotgun only ever works with less-durable mercs that aren’t making themselves hard to hit.

(Szakalot) #14

Really?

You are so skilled you counter shotguns that jump around corners and kill you with one shot? What do you play? Nader?[/quote]

yes shotgun will get those one shot kills once in a while. for each of those the shotgun user gets mowed down at mid-long range a number of times

(Jansku) #15

Really?

You are so skilled you counter shotguns that jump around corners and kill you with one shot? What do you play? Nader?[/quote]

yes shotgun will get those one shot kills once in a while. for each of those the shotgun user gets mowed down at mid-long range a number of times[/quote]

Difference is that you need actual aim to hit those mid-long range shots.
You get the difference why shotguns need to changed?

My favourites are these swinging in proxies with shotties. I have no idea why such thing exist in DB. IT would be same if Nader nades would explode immediately to your face in close range.

(Szakalot) #16

indeed for low level players shotguns are easier to use, and as low skill ceilibg weapons might provide more power than an automatic. the better you are though, the worse the shotguns become, comparatively.

protip: one trick to avoid shotgun blasts up close is to spam strafe ADAD changing direction JUST BEFORE another shotgun blast

(Jansku) #17

[quote=“Szakalot;161266”]indeed for low level players shotguns are easier to use, and as low skill ceilibg weapons might provide more power than an automatic. the better you are though, the worse the shotguns become, comparatively.

protip: one trick to avoid shotgun blasts up close is to spam strafe ADAD changing direction JUST BEFORE another shotgun blast[/quote]
Protip: don’t assume the other person commenting the issue is moron even he doesn’t agree with you.

I’m not talking about some 1on1 short range scenario where there are more than one blast. I’m talking about that example coming through the corner and guy just runs at you and blasts you. Same applies to spammy Fletcher plus shotgun. And also situation when you kill someone and shotgun user comes from behind you. Against almost anything else you might have chance to fight back since TTK is quite long in DB but in case of shotguns, you are dead.

They are cheese deaths caused by wanting to noobs have chance. Well guess what? Those noobs continue to use them even when they learn to play the game and make the experience worse for everyone else in pubs WITHOUT any skill involved but jumping and running.
And if it’s aura, run around like mad woman, shoot people on the corners and go back to heal fast fast fast…MORONIC
iT’s like watching cartoon stuff.

I have had matches were I only die to shotgun blasts to the face from close range.
What kind of satisfaction it gives to SKILLED players to get quad kills or aces if that is wiped out with single shotgun shot by completel noobie without any skill whatsoever.

I don’t even like using them because they feel so utterly classless.
Have no idea why you defend these no skill ceiling at all weapons in DB.

My favourite is when you find Proxy repairing EV and circling it. You circle with him and start to shoot, BANG, you’re dead. Thx for trying but the noobie shottie wins!

Keep lolling so the game is dumbed down further for brainless shottie fun.

(Jansku) #18

Well if you want cheap skilless shot that cannot be avoided, there’s your way of doing it.

Others require aim.

(Szakalot) #19

im not gonna list all the one-hit-kill abilities/weapons in the game, oh wait sure why not:

  • airstrike
  • lazor
  • arty
  • frag nade
  • two sniper rifles
  • grandeur
  • grenade launcher
  • triple hs burst from 2 burst rifles
  • shotgun hs at point blank
  • minigun hs at point blank
  • charged defib hit
  • katana thrust (with chopper)
  • sticky bomb
  • c4

maybe i missed something, let me know. why are you singling out shotguns from this pool? many of this abilities are equally if not more hard to counter. shotguns are poor in the end, as evidenced by their COMPLETE lack of use in comp

(Jansku) #20

[quote=“Szakalot;161277”]im not gonna list all the one-hit-kill abilities/weapons in the game, oh wait sure why not:

  • airstrike
  • lazor
  • arty
  • frag nade
  • two sniper rifles
  • grandeur
  • grenade launcher
  • triple hs burst from 2 burst rifles
  • shotgun hs at point blank
  • minigun hs at point blank
  • charged defib hit
  • katana thrust (with chopper)
  • sticky bomb
  • c4

maybe i missed something, let me know. why are you singling out shotguns from this pool? many of this abilities are equally if not more hard to counter. shotguns are poor in the end, as evidenced by their COMPLETE lack of use in comp[/quote]
GEE, I don’t know…

Maybe you missed the TITLE OF THE THREAD that says “shotguns”

I have whole post of things in the general comment section.

Why you have to be such a little prick?
get a life and crawl back to your little hole.

And sorry dude, I know you from ranked. You aren’t even that good.