Remove the 'unranked' rank from ranked

[No_Point]

If you are new, you should just start from the lowest bronze rank… There is no point making people go down ranks just because their team got 1-3 fresh unranked newbies… who somehow are balanced the same as silver ranks.

[Pumpkiller]

Somehow i feel like it would create two massive problems in ranked:

-Major unbalancing issues,good/decent pepole would get mixed with the bad the newbs and the terrible,to get stomped against a group of incredbly good players,that would especially show at the start of ranked,and so,drive more pepole away from ranked matches.

-Smurfing would be way easier to do,and,again,one sided matches would be much more common in bronze and low silver ranks.

All of these problems would also mean that most pepole won’t have the rank they deserve at the end.

[LifeupOmega]

OP has never played ranked in any game before.

[Mc1412013]

Unfortunately theres not enough unranked players to keep unranked together. Every one has to start at bottom and not every unranked is a potato. Ive seen unranked players at the top and the unranked was the one that carried the team. Gotta keep in mind some people are high levels and still unranked

[Setzaroth]

Bottom rank should be replaced with Potato

[AlphaUT]

Is this a joke

[ThunderZsolt]

Lowest bronze?

Hell no!
It is enough that all unranked players are considered silver by the matchmaking algorithm - I’ve had games where an unranked duo pretty much rekt our team. Imagine what these players could do against low bronze.

On the other hand, some unranked players are terrible, making match unbalanced, but still better than placing players who belong to gold/cobalt to bronze.

[No_Point]

@Pumpkiller said:
Somehow i feel like it would create two massive problems in ranked:
Let’s see…

@Pumpkiller said:
-Major unbalancing issues,good/decent pepole would get mixed with the bad the newbs and the terrible,to get stomped against a group of incredbly good players,that would especially show at the start of ranked,and so,drive more pepole away from ranked matches.
And how does that actually differ from how things are currently? The last eight matches I played today were all more less 4 v 5 matches from the start. You know, eight minutes in, and you just know that you are not going to win it even if you are making progress towards completing objectives. Because lets face it… I have been hair’s width away from reaching the Rank of Silver master, 17 times during this ranked season. But I just cannot cross it because I get assigned with some random derp face without a single loadout card or something like that… It is just such colossal nonsense.

@Pumpkiller said:
-Smurfing would be way easier to do,and,again,one sided matches would be much more common in bronze and low silver ranks.
If you wnant to prevent smurfing, just make it so that your ‘party rank’ is determined by the highest ranking member in your party. Moreover, I have actually had such colossally bad luck with my teams that I’ve dropped below bronze master… 5 times. But the thing is, at that point you just go up the ranks without much of an issue - and to ‘smurf’ you need to continue creating new steam accounts… So, smurfing has been largely taken care off.

@Pumpkiller said:
All of these problems would also mean that most pepole won’t have the rank they deserve at the end.
Can you tell me, when have people had the ranks they deserve in ranked mode? I mean, I do recall the pre-ranked season and beating mono cobalt teams with random silvers and golds. (Well, more often than not it was my side that lost, but sometimes the stars aligned…)

[No_Point]

@LifeupOmega said:
OP has never played ranked in any game before.
Coughs and coughs… 900+ hours in this game alone… Should I bring up some other games?

[No_Point]

@Setzaroth said:
Bottom rank should be replaced with Potato

I wouldn’t mind that… gives a goal of reaching it with my party making luck.

[No_Point]

@ThunderZsolt said:
Lowest bronze?

Hell no!
It is enough that all unranked players are considered silver by the matchmaking algorithm - I’ve had games where an unranked duo pretty much rekt our team. Imagine what these players could do against low bronze.

On the other hand, some unranked players are terrible, making match unbalanced, but still better than placing players who belong to gold/cobalt to bronze.

And once again, you fail to understand how fast skilled players rise up in the ranks.

[No_Point]

@AlphaUT said:
Is this a joke

I wish it was, but with more than healthy amount of hours spent in this game, my pattern recognition ability spots some flaws in ranked… mostly that the teams are horrible because you just get that one or two unranked in a match where they just do not belong.

[ThunderZsolt]

@No_Point said:
And once again, you fail to understand how fast skilled players rise up in the ranks.

How fast is it, tell me pls.

With the current system you have to rank up 10 times from bronze recruit to gold recruit. Right now the ranking up/down is mostly inluenced by win/loss, gainig/losing 20-40% after each game. Counting with an average 33% per game, you get to gold right after a 30 win streak. In other words, you have to win 30 more games than losing.

BUT if you place full potatoes and competitive players in the same rank (bronze recruit), they get matched against each other. The game sees no difference between them.
And once again, you fail to understand how frustrating situations it will create.
If you have a pro player in one team with 4 potatoes, and decent/pro players on the other team, the one pro alone will lose the game, and lose ranks. It is impossible to hard carry 1v5, or even 2v5.

Let’s say that you have a 60% win rate. It would be pretty decent considering the matchmaking would make you play everyone in the same rank.
That would mean, that out of 10 games you win 6, and lose 4 - meaning you win 2 more. With that, you need to play 150 games to achieve the 30 extra wins required to rank up to gold recruit.
If you are better, and have 70% win rate, it takes 75 games.

If everyone gets placed in the middle, the good and the bad players get separated twice as fast, because you can also demote bad players, not just promote the good ones, therefore this system is better than the one you are suggesting.

[Frogteam]

@No_Point said:

I wouldn’t mind that… gives a goal of reaching it with my party making luck.

Leave this poor man alone, can’t you see he’s stuck in ELO hell? If he only had some competent teammates he’d be able to shine, and rocket into cobalt.

EDIT: I’m sorry, I’ve been spending too much time on reddit. ThunderZsolt covered it pretty well, Sticking everyone at the bottom of the pool just means that the bad players will constantly be playing against good players who have just joined. As you approach the top balance will get better and better, but the lower you go the worse things will be.

[GatoCommodore]

maybe

just maybe

this is just a theory here…

if ranks is appraised by the performance of the player, not the win/lose , we can actually see people ranking up.

[Diosito]

@No_Point said:

@LifeupOmega said:
OP has never played ranked in any game before.
Coughs and coughs… 900+ hours in this game alone… Should I bring up some other games?

“… omg, 900+ hours, NO LIFE”

Just quoting the average kid in Dirty Bomb.

Abbadon
Abaddon

[Mc1412013]

@Diosito said:

@No_Point said:

@LifeupOmega said:
OP has never played ranked in any game before.
Coughs and coughs… 900+ hours in this game alone… Should I bring up some other games?

“… omg, 900+ hours, NO LIFE”

Just quoting the average kid in Dirty Bomb.

Abbadon
Abaddon

Wow i got 1000 hrs in and i have a family though most my free time is in db. Phantom kitana ramages against noobs is quite the after work stress releiver

[Diosito]

@Mc1412013 said:

@Diosito said:

@No_Point said:

@LifeupOmega said:
OP has never played ranked in any game before.
Coughs and coughs… 900+ hours in this game alone… Should I bring up some other games?

“… omg, 900+ hours, NO LIFE”

Just quoting the average kid in Dirty Bomb.

Abbadon
Abaddon

Wow i got 1000 hrs in and i have a family though most my free time is in db. Phantom kitana ramages against noobs is quite the after work stress releiver

I was joking =(

Abbadon
Abaddon

[GatoCommodore]

-be me in 15th century
-holding my favourite scrolls from academia
-for reading while on break
-on the way to the field to plough dirt
-2 noble QT 8/10 and another one is QT 3.14 on a morning ride with their Chad charming knights

well, i better get to the side of the road

-“Look at that filthy peasant holding those scrolls! Must be a no life!”
-“i bet he cant even read words since they raised in such pigsty of a farm!”

oh here we go now

-im sorry milady, i was raised by a family of rich merchants, thats why i read scrolls to improve my tra-
-“you dare to raise your voice in the presence of a noble?!”
-i can sense Chad is projecting his white knight
-no milord, i was just-
-“silence! peasants with no life belongs in the dungeons!”
-“guards take this NO-LIFE peasant away from me!”

[AlbinMatt]

@GatoCommodore said:
-be me in 15th century
-holding my favourite scrolls from academia
-for reading while on break
-on the way to the field to plough dirt
-2 noble QT 8/10 and another one is QT 3.14 on a morning ride with their Chad charming knights

well, i better get to the side of the road

-“Look at that filthy peasant holding those scrolls! Must be a no life!”
-“i bet he cant even read words since they raised in such pigsty of a farm!”

oh here we go now

-im sorry milady, i was raised by a family of rich merchants, thats why i read scrolls to improve my tra-
-“you dare to raise your voice in the presence of a noble?!”
-i can sense Chad is projecting his white knight
-no milord, i was just-
-“silence! peasants with no life belongs in the dungeons!”
-“guards take this NO-LIFE peasant away from me!”

Gato you drunk? This ain’t the D&D forums bud.

Now does anyone have quantitative data for us to base our suggestions on? We can’t propose random changes without doing a lil bit of number crunching.