Yeah I can’t really work it out but you can clearly see in the second gif I posted that regardless of whether or not it’s instant, I can reload and fire again with a full clip in less than 1 second, and I’m pretty sure the BR-16 has a 2.0 or 2.1 second reload time?
I’m not sure exactly what is wrong, but something isn’t right.
[quote=“Dox;188851”]I can fire before the ammo counter updates. It just updates it when the time catches up.
Can see here. Fire from 30 to 21, reload, reload cancel, fire again to 18 then it magically springs back up to 30.
http://im2.ezgif.com/tmp/ezgif-2531715917.gif
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I WANT IT!
The best example, just got a video of it happening with the pistol. You can clearly see after I cancel the reload I fire 9 interrupted bullets from my Smjuth, and there was no delay after I cancel the reload. I literally pull the trigger as fast as it let me.
[quote=“Dox;188936”]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ON1HOuBpag&feature=youtu.be
The best example, just got a video of it happening with the pistol. You can clearly see after I cancel the reload I fire 9 interrupted bullets from my Smjuth, and there was no delay after I cancel the reload. I literally pull the trigger as fast as it let me. [/quote]
i was waiting for the “working as intended” comment :))
Yeah I tried to get another vid because the gif’s in my other post aren’t working any more for some reason, but this vid is better yet. I can’t make it not happen, I’m not sure why. None of my friends can get it to happen but this just happens for all mercs and all guns for me.
Doesn’t seem to be a timing thing, a computer thing or a ping thing. Hopefully the devs can make sense of it.
[quote=“Elvisz;188940”][quote=“Dox;188936”]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ON1HOuBpag&feature=youtu.be
The best example, just got a video of it happening with the pistol. You can clearly see after I cancel the reload I fire 9 interrupted bullets from my Smjuth, and there was no delay after I cancel the reload. I literally pull the trigger as fast as it let me. [/quote]
i was waiting for the “working as intended” comment :))[/quote]
Working as intended. 
However, the whole reload canceling doesnt seem to work for me at the moment, needs further testing… .
[quote=“Yoma;188946”][quote=“Elvisz;188940”][quote=“Dox;188936”]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ON1HOuBpag&feature=youtu.be
The best example, just got a video of it happening with the pistol. You can clearly see after I cancel the reload I fire 9 interrupted bullets from my Smjuth, and there was no delay after I cancel the reload. I literally pull the trigger as fast as it let me. [/quote]
i was waiting for the “working as intended” comment :))[/quote]
Working as intended.
However, the whole reload canceling doesnt seem to work for me at the moment, needs further testing… .[/quote]
have you even turned it on in the settings?
Not to be too much of a stickler but no LCD monitor has 0ms lag…[/quote]
Actually, lg w2363D does have 0ms input lag when you enable Thru-mode, but its the only lcd i know that goes to 0ms.
Well, it will be low, but absolute 0 is impossible, so Amerika is right haha.
But I have tried many, many 120hz and 144hz screens, and this one has always felt the best to me. Surprisingly cheap too. Got it back in 2010 for $350 NZD (approx $220 USD or something) and that was 6 years ago!
[quote=“neverplayserious;188982”][quote=“Yoma;188946”][quote=“Elvisz;188940”][quote=“Dox;188936”]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ON1HOuBpag&feature=youtu.be
The best example, just got a video of it happening with the pistol. You can clearly see after I cancel the reload I fire 9 interrupted bullets from my Smjuth, and there was no delay after I cancel the reload. I literally pull the trigger as fast as it let me. [/quote]
i was waiting for the “working as intended” comment :))[/quote]
Working as intended.
However, the whole reload canceling doesnt seem to work for me at the moment, needs further testing… .[/quote]
have you even turned it on in the settings?[/quote]
Yes i did, but sometimes it works, sometimes it doesnt. Well, i’ll stick to my old style of reload canceling which works for double time aswell.
Not to be too much of a stickler but no LCD monitor has 0ms lag…[/quote]
Actually, lg w2363D does have 0ms input lag when you enable Thru-mode, but its the only lcd i know that goes to 0ms.
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Cite your source? The only thing I can find is a test done a while back where they used a Samsung monitor to compare latency. And the testing method used is incredibly flawed and no longer used these days. The LG, according to the site I found, did not have any lag compared to the Samsung model it was next to. Which means it has zero latency compared to their test monitor (which has it’s own latency)…so it’s no worse than their base Samsung test model. And Samsung’s are pretty well known to have more input lag than most models due to Samsung prioritizing image quality over everything else and thus adding more processing even while in “game mode”. But that isn’t always true. Also, I read that if you use “thru” mode you get all kinds of blurring and ghosting which isn’t what you want in a shooter where you’re trying to aim for tiny heads 
That monitor Dox has might be great and probably is. Looking up LG monitors from the same era on DisplayLag shows them as having 9ms-11ms latency typically which is pretty much as good as you can get. They didn’t have that exact model listed so there is no way to tell though. I couldn’t find that model on any other reputable site that does proper input lag testing. But it’s safe to assume somewhat since most LG monitors back then were sourcing the same panels across most of the models.
[quote=“Amerika;189096”]
Cite your source? [/quote]
Its kinda hard to find source when i seen it years ago, but at the time lg w2363d was released everyone used the same method for testing input lag, which was the same thing you seen in that review where they used samsung monitor.
I seen at least few reviews where they tested LG against CRT monitor and it had no input lag, but since they all used “flawed” method you can never be sure that its “real” 0ms. Worth mentioning that even without thru mode it still have 6-15 ms lag, which is already good enough.
Point is, LG still have the lowest input lag you can get on LCD screen and i am yet to see one that have input lag as low with picture to picture test method (at least most new 120/144hz monitors seems to have it rather big).
As for blurring/ghosting, i use this monitor for years now and i can tell you that this is not the case. Its almost as clear as good crt screens. W2363d have tons of issues but when it comes to gaming i am yet to find one that i would consider an upgrade (then again i didnt seen all of them).
[quote=“strawberryJacket;189107”][quote=“Amerika;189096”]
Cite your source? [/quote]
Its kinda hard to find source when i seen it years ago, but at the time lg w2363d was released everyone used the same method for testing input lag, which was the same thing you seen in that review where they used samsung monitor.
I seen at least few reviews where they tested LG against CRT monitor and it had no input lag, but since they all used “flawed” method you can never be sure that its “real” 0ms. Worth mentioning that even without thru mode it still have 6-15 ms lag, which is already good enough.
Point is, LG still have the lowest input lag you can get on LCD screen and i am yet to see one that have input lag as low with picture to picture test method (at least most new 120/144hz monitors seems to have it rather big).
As for blurring/ghosting, i use this monitor for years now and i can tell you that this is not the case. Its almost as clear as good crt screens. W2363d have tons of issues but when it comes to gaming i am yet to find one that i would consider an upgrade (then again i didnt seen all of them).
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There is no such thing as 0ms of input lag with LCD’s. So what you read at the time wasn’t accurate and casts a lot of doubt on that claim. The only thing I could find that came close to what you were saying only mentioned that your monitor had no more input lag than the Samsung sitting next to it which most definitely had lag. And the testing method is very well known as being flawed and is rarely used anymore. Newer testing methods are much better.
It’s cool that you love your monitor. It might be the best thing ever. But you can’t cite your source so that it can be vetted for accuracy and the only source I came up with is highly inaccurate and flawed. So I’m not saying that your monitor is bad. It’s probably just fine. But your claims are definitely not accurate given how LCD’s work.
[quote=“Amerika;189121”]
It’s cool that you love your monitor. It might be the best thing ever. But you can’t cite your source so that it can be vetted for accuracy and the only source I came up with is highly inaccurate and flawed. So I’m not saying that your monitor is bad. It’s probably just fine. But your claims are definitely not accurate given how LCD’s work.
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/monitors/display/acer-gd245hq-lg-flatron-w2363d_9.html#sect0
http://www.flatpanelshd.com/review.php?subaction=showfull&id=1275899900
All of those revives cite that it had no input lag and thats the only lcd monitor i seen that had it measured at 0ms (flawed method or not). There were obviously a lot more but since the monitor is old most of them are either hard to find or removed.
I am not engineer, i dont know if displaylag method is any better than old methods, so unless you create some top notch lcd panles i will take revivers opinions over yours, especially that you didnt really provide any kind of evidence either.
While i dont argue that its possible/impossible for lcd panels to ever reach 0ms input lag, so far w2363D seems to have the lowest input lag recorded to date (unless you can provide me with something that disprove this).
+displaylag had no w2363D in database, so just because other LG panels have higher input lag doesnt mean that this model have as well. Not really sure why you have such a crusade over this tho.
Also, the 0ms input lag thing isnt MY claim (since i never did test it for that), its a claim of multiple testers/revivers, i can assume that some of them had a clue, on the other hand you are a single person that tell me that its impossible without providing any type of prove so…eh, yea.
[quote=“strawberryJacket;189175”][quote=“Amerika;189121”]
It’s cool that you love your monitor. It might be the best thing ever. But you can’t cite your source so that it can be vetted for accuracy and the only source I came up with is highly inaccurate and flawed. So I’m not saying that your monitor is bad. It’s probably just fine. But your claims are definitely not accurate given how LCD’s work.
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/monitors/display/acer-gd245hq-lg-flatron-w2363d_9.html#sect0
http://www.flatpanelshd.com/review.php?subaction=showfull&id=1275899900
All of those revives cite that it had no input lag and thats the only lcd monitor i seen that had it measured at 0ms (flawed method or not). There were obviously a lot more but since the monitor is old most of them are either hard to find or removed.
I am not engineer, i dont know if displaylag method is any better than old methods, so unless you create some top notch lcd panles i will take revivers opinions over yours, especially that you didnt really provide any kind of evidence either.
While i dont argue that its possible/impossible for lcd panels to ever reach 0ms input lag, so far w2363D seems to have the lowest input lag recorded to date (unless you can provide me with something that disprove this).
+displaylag had no w2363D in database, so just because other LG panels have higher input lag doesnt mean that this model have as well. Not really sure why you have such a crusade over this tho.
Also, the 0ms input lag thing isnt MY claim (since i never did test it for that), its a claim of multiple testers/revivers, i can assume that some of them had a clue, on the other hand you are a single person that tell me that its impossible without providing any type of prove so…eh, yea.[/quote]
The first site doesn’t show their testing methodology. It is also focusing pretty hard on pixel response which isn’t the same thing as input latency. The first comment on that article is asking about their testing methods and how there is latency that the reviewer probably isn’t accounting for based on the information (and lack of information) in the “review”. The second URL isn’t correct and goes to an Alienware monitor so I think you meant to link this instead. Their review is that it seems fine to them. No testing at all beyond human eye testing.
You don’t have to believe me. The site I linked explains everything better than I could. And it’s not the only one with accurate information and testing methodology who uses proper equipment to measure something that is very hard to measure. It’s all right there for you to see for yourself if you’re interested in the topic. My point is that you’re trying to tell people there are LCD monitors out there with 0ms of input lag and that’s just not possible given the limitations of the tech. Which means the reviews you read are wrong and their testing is flawed.
If you choose to believe them then go ahead…whatever makes you happy. Personally I prefer to use credible sources with clearly explained methodologies and proper testing equipment with results that are typically peer reviewed to help me make purchasing decisions.
[quote=“Amerika;189196”]
If you choose to believe them then go ahead…whatever makes you happy. Personally I prefer to use credible sources with clearly explained methodologies and proper testing equipment with results that are typically peer reviewed to help me make purchasing decisions.[/quote]
Lets just drop this topic, it isnt worth our time. Fact is, even if w2363D have input lag, its impossible to tell and so far the lowest recorded to date (even if newer testing methods would prove that it does indeed have input lag), so for every single person on this planet it might as well be 0ms.
FYI this is still happening. I dunno if a mod wants to move this to the bug section or hit up one of the devs about it, but I think a reminder might be in order.
As I stated before: The best solution would be giving an option, to reload cancel by pressing M1.
Some of us do prefer toggle sprint option, instead of holding it, and perform better long
jumps.
Huh? The bug has nothing to do with the reload, it’s the fact it gives me the ammo even when I do cancel the reload.
Watch the video. I cancel reload my Smjuth and then fire 9 consecutive shots without stopping.
Shouldn’t be possible. The Smjuth only holds 6 bullets.
So this is still a thing, but today we worked something weird out.
I was showing my friends how to do this, and I said “watch, I will fire 3 bullets, reload, then cancel reload, and then I will fire 9 bullets in a row”
I did this, and they were like “What? You only fired your pistol 3 times”
So I did it again, and fired 9 shots in a row, and they again said I did only 3 shots.
So I thought it might be a visual bug, so I looked at them and tried shooting one of them while I did it. I fired 3 shots at the wall, reloaded, cancelled the reload and then looked at my team mate and went to fire 9 pistol shots at him but after the first 5 shots he died.
According to my other team mates in the server, I didn’t even fire my pistol and my team mate just dropped dead from nothing.
So on my screen it looks like I’m shooting my gun but apparently for everyone else, it shows me doing nothing.
@stayfreshshoe @Amerika any ideas?