Reistance v. Founders (Security)

(Seyu) #21

Yes, all those people taking literature classes look really dumb to you, don’t they?

Why in the world would you want to play with only one side? Is the game half price that way?

Who said that?

I don’t give a poop about story, gameplay comes first and that’s the only thing that will keep me playing the game.

That’s the same for us but we don’t feel the need to moon at threads that aren’t about gameplay.

Yes, I did do a search myself and came across the three of them. Those threads were simply about picking sides and that too nearly two years old.

And, the ‘security not bad as they seem’ thread had inevitably turned into a debate on real world issues for which I’m partly to blame.

What action would you recommend if someone claimed to have found the cure to cancer in his backyard and started distributing pills all around.

[QUOTE=Shadowcat;281785]
That being said, I personally support the security ideology more, they are just trying to protect the ark, and are doing what they have to. I cant support the leader’s choices, but that’s not the fault of the police.[/QUOTE]

Not doing what they have to but doing what they are told to, the same as what Gaddafi’s men are doing in Libya.

[QUOTE=tokamak;281781]These ‘lowlives’ never voted for a political climate that was able to either mitigate or adapt to climate change, and now they want a piece.

If Nader was president there probably would be at least several arks floating in the pacific and similar feats of durable development elsewhere. Everyone has an opportunity to contribute by voting.[/QUOTE]

You can’t say that they deserve their present condition because of who they voted for. People’s decisions are the product of their environment. As someone who follows American politics, I find that the Republicans belonging to the lower rung of society tend to be deluded about what really is going on and foster irrational beliefs, having grown up in such an atmosphere. Should they be denied their rights and privileges if, say, Trump becomes president and creates an Egypt like social scenario in the US?

And shouldn’t the lowlifes vote for those who they think will benefit improve their lives in the short term rather someone who advocates creating a floating city whose benefits they’d be the last to receive? Worrying about things like global warming and overpopulation is the pass-time of the well-off.

(LyndonL) #22

Lots of people have openly said they won’t play a certain faction hands down.

Riiiight :tongue:

(Seyu) #23

“… just how I roll.”

Tell me you weren’t copying Palin.

(Humate) #24

Lots of people have openly said they won’t play a certain faction hands down.

lol @ all the players who would wait in spec to join gdf

(tokamak) #25

Brink’s story cleverly cuts out any personal responsibility by pitting a new generation of people against each other which had nothing to do with those who caused the setting.

But apart from that, yes you can say people get the government they deserve.

And shouldn’t the lowlifes vote for those who they think will benefit improve their lives in the short term rather someone who advocates creating a floating city whose benefits they’d be the last to receive? Worrying about things like global warming and overpopulation is the past-time of the well-off.

Yes, these groups are indeed known for short-therm thinking. Hence my reference to the little red hen tale. Global warming will hit the poorest the first btw, the food prices will be the first thing we notice directly in our lives.

As someone who follows American politics, I find that the Republicans belonging to the lower rung of society tend to be deluded about what really is going on and foster irrational beliefs, having grown up in such an atmosphere. Should they be denied their rights and privileges if, say, Trump becomes president and creates an Egypt like social scenario in the US?

I’m afraid so yeah. That’s the price of democracy, you’re responsible for who you vote into government.

(system) #26

Can you guys make a list of ingame nicks and what faction you want to play?
I’ll have tons of fun switching you guys to the other side if you landed on my server. :stroggtapir:

(Herandar) #27

No problem. Herandar. Either faction.

(system) #28

Not you, the ones that take a fictional story way too serious and will NEVER play the other side because… well, I better stop here. :slight_smile:

(Seyu) #29

You should say this more often.
Anyway, if discussions on the storyline seem heretical to you, why not report this to Badman? Once you get your foot out of your mouth, that is.

Yes, these groups are indeed known for short-term thinking. Hence my reference to the little red hen tale. Global warming will hit the poorest the first btw, the food prices will be the first thing we notice directly in our lives.

True but the poor only recognize the problems that they face everyday. A homeless guy would prefer having a full stomach rather than be protected from a flood that may occur decades later.

I’m afraid so yeah. That’s the price of democracy, you’re responsible for who you vote into government.

But then such a situation wouldn’t occur in a true democracy. In a society where people are influenced by propaganda tactics and a corrupt media isn’t a perfect democracy in the first place. How can you hold anyone accountable if they are deliberately kept ignorant of the consequences of their actions?

(Dormamu) #30

I am a mercenary, don’t care about politics, pay me with xp and in-game credits and i will fight for both sides :smiley:

(obliviondoll) #31

[QUOTE=tokamak;281778]Right, to me Brink’s story is a reworking of the Little Red Hen fable.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Little_Red_Hen[/QUOTE]“In other versions sometimes the bread is substituted with a cake”

The hen is GLaDOS?

[QUOTE=tokamak;281781]That was not the ideology, the ark was build as a prototype for technology and ideology to be spread wide. But as you can see around you now, there’s very little political will so these kind of projects can only be done by rich philantropes.

These ‘lowlives’ never voted for a political climate that was able to either mitigate or adapt to climate change, and now they want a piece.

If Nader was president there probably would be at least several arks floating in the pacific and similar feats of durable development elsewhere. Everyone has an opportunity to contribute by voting.[/QUOTE]
You’re assuming all the people with all their different accents, including those who were born and raised on the Ark, grew up in America.

Good luck with that.

Back on-topic, I voted Security, because I personally think they’re cooler, and better-dressed.

Both sides are given plenty of reason to believe THEY are the good guys, and the enemy is “evil.”

Either side, or both, might be misinformed, but that doesn’t mean they aren’t acting with the best of intentions, or that they aren’t behaving in a morally justified manner.

Either side, or both, may have leadership with ulterior motives, who lie to their own, and try to force the hands of their enemies.

The fact that the game is heroic Security versus heroic Resistance is one of the major reasons I’m looking forward to it - I want to see both sides, and I want to see them both win.

(A.i) #32

Misinfortamtion is all one big plan to reduce a population of the ark so that “leaders” have more resources for themselves :smiley:

(obliviondoll) #33

Honestly…

I’m expecting that to be “too obvious” and that there’s something more behind what really happens.

(Jess Alon) #34

[QUOTE=Seyu;281896]
What action would you recommend if someone claimed to have found the cure to cancer in his backyard and started distributing pills all around.[/QUOTE]

Dr Max Gerson supposedly found a cure for cancer over 50 years ago and was poisoned with arsenic as a result. Usually when people do good things not in the name of profiteering those people are martyred pretty quickly.

(Jess Alon) #35

[QUOTE=Seyu;281930]You should say this more often.
Anyway, if discussions on the storyline seem heretical to you, why not report this to Badman? Once you get your foot out of your mouth, that is.[/QUOTE]

Seyu I usually enjoy reading what you have to say. And it might just be a result of me being in a bad mood. But you appear to be sitting a little high on your horse.

(Shadowcat) #36

Yes, as the founders, doing nothing about the plague, then taking away the refugee’s attempt at fixing it is obviously the moral choice, my bad.

The resistance is attempting to support the refugees, so anything the hand out would be an attempt to help. Defending the vaccine is still just an attempt to help the masses.

Besides, finding a new cure for a disease is much more difficult than creating a vaccine. Vaccines just require dead microbes to put into the patient.

Not doing what they have to but doing what they are told to, the same as what Gaddafi’s men are doing in Libya.

There is a big difference between committing genocide under orders and trying to protect civilians under orders. An individual security member may not support the founders treatment of the refugees, but he is still going to try to stop the rebels with guns.

(Whydmer) #37

Ideologically I would most likely identify with the resistance.

Therefore I will probably play the security faction first time through the campaign so that I have some empathy for them. If I play the resistance first I will be thoroughly convinced that the Security faction are fascist pigs. :slight_smile:

(Herandar) #38

[QUOTE=Whydmer;282086]Ideologically I would most likely identify with the resistance.

Therefore I will probably play the security faction first time through the campaign so that I have some empathy for them. If I play the resistance first I will be thoroughly convinced that the Security faction are fascist pigs. :)[/QUOTE]

Fascist pigs with sharp suits.

(amazinglarry) #39

Security all day, son. Get the hell off my boat.

(Whydmer) #40

[QUOTE=Herandar;282100]Fascist pigs with sharp suits.[/QUOTE] Isn’t that to be expected? sloppily dressed Fascist Pigs would be like Che Guevara wearing Ambercrombie & Fitch.

I’m on a boat and it’s going fast and
I got a nautical themed, Pashmina Afghan
I’m the king of the world, on a boat like Leo
If you’re on the shore, then you’re sure not Weeohh(weeohh)…