@Xenithos said:
(…) You’re not supposed to be able to queue with unranked when your rank is at gold or higher iirc.
I also recall that gold or higher should not be matched with unranked, but when you look at the screenshot in the initial post, 4 golds were playing vs. 4 unranked. :s
lol earlier I was on a team with 2 Cobalts and the rest of us were Golds. We were matched against 1 silver, 3 unranked, and 1 dude who was probably bronze or unranked (he left the game). Not sure how that even happened. My queue time wasn’t super long either, think it was like 5 minutes.
Bad teams in ranked will always be its biggest downside though. As a solo player, taking evidence from the previous 2 seasons, reaching anything higher than low gold is close to impossible without a lot of luck. Or maybe I was just really unlucky. Bad teams killed my rank every few games. This season seems a bit different though. It was nice to see that our placement rank could be higher than Silver Master (got Gold specialist I think). Terrible teams are still an issue of course, but thankfully they aren’t affecting my rank as much as the last 2 seasons.
@ImSploosh said:
lol earlier I was on a team with 2 Cobalts and the rest of us were Golds. We were matched against 1 silver, 3 unranked, and 1 dude who was probably bronze or unranked (he left the game). Not sure how that even happened. My queue time wasn’t super long either, think it was like 5 minutes.Bad teams in ranked will always be its biggest downside though. As a solo player, taking evidence from the previous 2 seasons, reaching anything higher than low gold is close to impossible without a lot of luck. Or maybe I was just really unlucky. Bad teams killed my rank every few games. This season seems a bit different though. It was nice to see that our placement rank could be higher than Silver Master (got Gold specialist I think). Terrible teams are still an issue of course, but thankfully they aren’t affecting my rank as much as the last 2 seasons.
Quoted for truth. If you solo queue and you’re a good/great player, good luck breaking through high silver and mid gold. Highest I’ve been is the third or fourth gold one. Specialist or Officer as well, I don’t remember. It’s clear at that point when I’m facing other golds, cobalts, and occasionally elites that the skill gap between players isn’t that dramatic because I regularly get top score; it’s just a matter of having a team with good merc composition and communication from there on. One of these days I should probably join a clan or get a group of buddies together one season.
@teflonlove said:
@Xenithos said:
(…) You’re not supposed to be able to queue with unranked when your rank is at gold or higher iirc.
I also recall that gold or higher should not be matched with unranked, but when you look at the screenshot in the initial post, 4 golds were playing vs. 4 unranked. :s
I’m pretty sure those golds were just ranked. 
@Wintergreen said:
@Sorotia said:
@Melinder said:
@Sorotia said:
@Melinder said:
@STARRYSOCK said:
I don’t remember the reason they gaveThat raising the level requirement from 7 to 20 would lock out a further 75% of the playerbase from ranked.
Umm…yeah…because we want to team with people who don’t want to put the effort in to level up?
If you’re willing to queue for a few hours to get an unbalanced game, then by all means push for this change.
I for one am against it, my queue times are already 2+ hours.I’ve never dealt with a 2 hour queue?
I’ve never been cobalt?
Try being lower? Where you need to deal with shoddy players who only care about the cases and don’t care about winning as long as they don’t have to put forth any effort…or dealing with smurfs who ruin matches to help their friends get easy points.
You know…just like in the real world the people on the top don’t have to deal with the numerous problems the average person does.
I’m sick and tired of losing half or more of my matches to the point where I’m lowered down to bronze purgatory where I can never break free because of the infinite supply of care-lesses and smurfs.
I definitely agree that the draw of skins results in a toss up between people who care about winning and being competitive and those who only want shiny trophies to show off. Is it really that bad at the bronze ranks, though? I’ve never been placed below low/mid silver in any season. Granted, highest I’ve attained is high gold ‘cause I only solo queue and the low silvers didn’t feel all that bad at all in my experience. Everything felt reasonably balanced to me in every season if we exclude the quitters. I think which region people are playin’ out of is a big factor too. Idk.
I didn’t play at all last season…I did some games with my friend in season 2…we were both unranked and we got placed against a team with 4 golds…lost a lot of games. I got placed just short of silver 1…
But it was purgatory literally…at best it was win a game lose a game win a game lose a game ect…at worst it was lose multiple games in a row. I don’t think I ever won two games in a row
@Sorotia said:
@Wintergreen said:
@Sorotia said:
@Melinder said:
@Sorotia said:
@Melinder said:
@STARRYSOCK said:
I don’t remember the reason they gaveThat raising the level requirement from 7 to 20 would lock out a further 75% of the playerbase from ranked.
Umm…yeah…because we want to team with people who don’t want to put the effort in to level up?
If you’re willing to queue for a few hours to get an unbalanced game, then by all means push for this change.
I for one am against it, my queue times are already 2+ hours.I’ve never dealt with a 2 hour queue?
I’ve never been cobalt?
Try being lower? Where you need to deal with shoddy players who only care about the cases and don’t care about winning as long as they don’t have to put forth any effort…or dealing with smurfs who ruin matches to help their friends get easy points.
You know…just like in the real world the people on the top don’t have to deal with the numerous problems the average person does.
I’m sick and tired of losing half or more of my matches to the point where I’m lowered down to bronze purgatory where I can never break free because of the infinite supply of care-lesses and smurfs.
I definitely agree that the draw of skins results in a toss up between people who care about winning and being competitive and those who only want shiny trophies to show off. Is it really that bad at the bronze ranks, though? I’ve never been placed below low/mid silver in any season. Granted, highest I’ve attained is high gold ‘cause I only solo queue and the low silvers didn’t feel all that bad at all in my experience. Everything felt reasonably balanced to me in every season if we exclude the quitters. I think which region people are playin’ out of is a big factor too. Idk.
I didn’t play at all last season…I did some games with my friend in season 2…we were both unranked and we got placed against a team with 4 golds…lost a lot of games. I got placed just short of silver 1…
But it was purgatory literally…at best it was win a game lose a game win a game lose a game ect…at worst it was lose multiple games in a row. I don’t think I ever won two games in a row
I had the most fun with season 2 personally. They improved some things in S3 and S4, sure, but I felt like I had the most balanced matches and got into them fairly quickly during 2. I think the hype for ranked has been dying off and it’s harder to make matches now. Could just be me.
@Wintergreen said:
@Sorotia said:
@Wintergreen said:
@Sorotia said:
@Melinder said:
@Sorotia said:
@Melinder said:
@STARRYSOCK said:
I don’t remember the reason they gaveThat raising the level requirement from 7 to 20 would lock out a further 75% of the playerbase from ranked.
Umm…yeah…because we want to team with people who don’t want to put the effort in to level up?
If you’re willing to queue for a few hours to get an unbalanced game, then by all means push for this change.
I for one am against it, my queue times are already 2+ hours.I’ve never dealt with a 2 hour queue?
I’ve never been cobalt?
Try being lower? Where you need to deal with shoddy players who only care about the cases and don’t care about winning as long as they don’t have to put forth any effort…or dealing with smurfs who ruin matches to help their friends get easy points.
You know…just like in the real world the people on the top don’t have to deal with the numerous problems the average person does.
I’m sick and tired of losing half or more of my matches to the point where I’m lowered down to bronze purgatory where I can never break free because of the infinite supply of care-lesses and smurfs.
I definitely agree that the draw of skins results in a toss up between people who care about winning and being competitive and those who only want shiny trophies to show off. Is it really that bad at the bronze ranks, though? I’ve never been placed below low/mid silver in any season. Granted, highest I’ve attained is high gold ‘cause I only solo queue and the low silvers didn’t feel all that bad at all in my experience. Everything felt reasonably balanced to me in every season if we exclude the quitters. I think which region people are playin’ out of is a big factor too. Idk.
I didn’t play at all last season…I did some games with my friend in season 2…we were both unranked and we got placed against a team with 4 golds…lost a lot of games. I got placed just short of silver 1…
But it was purgatory literally…at best it was win a game lose a game win a game lose a game ect…at worst it was lose multiple games in a row. I don’t think I ever won two games in a row
I had the most fun with season 2 personally. They improved some things in S3 and S4, sure, but I felt like I had the most balanced matches and got into them fairly quickly during 2. I think the hype for ranked has been dying off and it’s harder to make matches now. Could just be me.
Well probably was better for you since I imagine it is safe to say you’re better than me 
Just got placed with a lot of bad teams (And I’m not the greatest), to make it worse these teams that I knew couldn’t win just refused to give up…and out of all those teams who refused to forfeit…only won one of those games.
I really wanted to run season 3 but I was hesitant (Especially since my friend didn’t want to play it as she doesn’t like yellow)…hoping maybe things would change but it doesn’t seem like it has. Still seeing reports of high rank teams getting put up against low rank teams.
@Wintergreen said:
@Sorotia said:
@Wintergreen said:
@Sorotia said:
@Melinder said:
@Sorotia said:
@Melinder said:
@STARRYSOCK said:
I don’t remember the reason they gaveThat raising the level requirement from 7 to 20 would lock out a further 75% of the playerbase from ranked.
Umm…yeah…because we want to team with people who don’t want to put the effort in to level up?
If you’re willing to queue for a few hours to get an unbalanced game, then by all means push for this change.
I for one am against it, my queue times are already 2+ hours.I’ve never dealt with a 2 hour queue?
I’ve never been cobalt?
Try being lower? Where you need to deal with shoddy players who only care about the cases and don’t care about winning as long as they don’t have to put forth any effort…or dealing with smurfs who ruin matches to help their friends get easy points.
You know…just like in the real world the people on the top don’t have to deal with the numerous problems the average person does.
I’m sick and tired of losing half or more of my matches to the point where I’m lowered down to bronze purgatory where I can never break free because of the infinite supply of care-lesses and smurfs.
I definitely agree that the draw of skins results in a toss up between people who care about winning and being competitive and those who only want shiny trophies to show off. Is it really that bad at the bronze ranks, though? I’ve never been placed below low/mid silver in any season. Granted, highest I’ve attained is high gold ‘cause I only solo queue and the low silvers didn’t feel all that bad at all in my experience. Everything felt reasonably balanced to me in every season if we exclude the quitters. I think which region people are playin’ out of is a big factor too. Idk.
I didn’t play at all last season…I did some games with my friend in season 2…we were both unranked and we got placed against a team with 4 golds…lost a lot of games. I got placed just short of silver 1…
But it was purgatory literally…at best it was win a game lose a game win a game lose a game ect…at worst it was lose multiple games in a row. I don’t think I ever won two games in a row
I had the most fun with season 2 personally. They improved some things in S3 and S4, sure, but I felt like I had the most balanced matches and got into them fairly quickly during 2. I think the hype for ranked has been dying off and it’s harder to make matches now. Could just be me.
Lol sd improved fuck all in ranked, every season is just a short break in which they slightly change the mm algorithm which ends up doing nothing.
This is lmfao
@Melinder said:
Sure, we’re a 5 stack of Cobalts, but there has to be a point in the queuing process where it simply puts us up against the first 5 people it finds.
“Sure, we’re a high ranked 5 man premade that the entire user base complained about playing against in S2 and S3. Sure, everyone and their sister said they’re tired of being solo q silver and getting matched with bronze and unranked players against a 5 man premade of gold and cobalts. Sure, SD probably fixed this and made it so that gold and cobalt can’t get matched below gold, but there HAS to be some point where fuck all of those guys get me in a game to crush some scrubs is more important than anyone else having fun!”
Stick to PUGs dude, or wait a month for everyone else to rank up to Gold+ . This is why high ranked players don’t play in the queue in…literally every game with a pro scene.
@Melinder said:
We’re both Cobalt 2. And no, we don’t find matches. We got our rank on day 1, and have yet to find a game since.
That’s probably the issue here. Did you get it right after placement match ? I’d have hoped some grinding for everyone. I already consider getting gold 3 right after placement is quite high already, especially when I see the people I already face there, so cobalt 2 is too much in my view.
Think locking ranked to level 8 is resonable. Not only it add a barrier with some decent playtime(15+ hours depending on the person) to know the mercs / maps. But a lot of people stay playing at least until 7 for the arsenal crate. If they than see that ranked is unlocked too, they might give that a try while they at it. Maybe add that at level 10 a player get to pick a one time free merc to encourage them to stick until at least that level. what result in more players sticking around and better match making overall.
Feel the issue is more with the bad match making. I am aware that the player base is small, but why should people playing be punished for that. Community already gave a lot of good suggestions to improve the game, but devs just ignore them… Also do not allow cross region match making, the high ping adds no value to ranked and only make it worse than a normal stopwatch.
We understand your frustrations and that it can be annoying playing with people you deem to be too inexperienced for the mode, but if we were to raise the level requirement for Ranked, or add in another requirement this will severely impact the time it takes to get matches and match balance.
Hopefully once players complete their placement matches and you all start to venture up and down the ranks, making this become less of an issue. There will always be times where a player with a few hours in the game will carry over a lot of FPS skill, meaning they appear to be a “scrub”, but will surprise you. The inverse is also true. If the latter is the case, why not try and help nurture and grow their talent at the game by offering assistance and feedback? It’s clear they want to play the mode competitively and being given a nudge in the right direction will certainly help that. Telling them to ‘git gud’ will just drive them away which has a large impact. I just finished a game and [TAW] @Corpse was being super helpful to less experienced players which helped us to win.
From the screenshot you posted, I’m not too sure what your point is. Granted, a team of unranked shouldn’t come up against a team of Golds UNLESS their MMR is of a similar level. In which case, the match up makes sense. It also looks like the enemy team completed the map in just over 10 minutes. That’s a pretty good time and for us isn’t an undoubted sign of the match being unbalanced. Again, I just had another recent match where we didn’t even complete the attackers side but we still managed to win. The match came down to the wire, yet two players on the other team started to say how BS and unbalanced it was.
As much as we need to improve and adjust things, players need to realise that you can lose with it still have being a balanced match. The whole point of games like Dirty Bomb is that there is a winner and a loser. If everything was ‘perfectly balanced’, every match would end up as a draw and everyone would have the same K/D and XP. Is that exciting? No. Does that seem right? No. So please. Try and look at this objectively.
(This does ramble and some of it is off topic, but I feel it’s important none the less)
@stayfreshshoe said:
Hopefully once players complete their placement matches and you all start to venture up and down the ranks, making this become less of an issue.
Yes , since I’m ranked I feel that there is more balance but still I had an unbalanced match(well just few ) . We were golds vs golds but 2 of us had between 45-70 hours. They both had gold rank but they were really bad,I don’t know how they got the rank but they are bad as normal lvl 10 guys. They used the wrong merc for entire match,3 Auras as attackers is not the best . Ofc we lost that one.
**However as I said just few matches were bad(unbalanced) but most of them were fine. Even tough I lost many matches but is because of human stupidity. Nothing to blame about balance. **
If you raise the lvl in the end there are bad high lvl players. So is the same.
P.s. 5 golds (lv +70,37,2 +50,+90,) can win vs 4 gold and one unranked (3 +100 lvl,+250 and about 40) ? Same rank,5 people for team but not the same skills
My only issue with low level requirement is my burning hatred for smurfs crapping all over the matchmaking system.
@stayfreshshoe said:
It’s clear they want to play the mode competitively and being given a nudge in the right direction will certainly help that.
I have yet to meet a beginner who is playing ranked for the competitive aspect (cough cool bling bling cards cough) and want to learn during a ranked match. What I get most of the time, when I try to advise someone with a less than 100 hour account:
I get ignored
I get insulted in chat
I get screamed at
I get team killed/not healed/some other shitty behavior
Or after some douchebaggery he drops.
Instead of raising the level requirement, why not require players to buy a merc of each role/class before entering ranked mode ? Doing so, you verify that players know what are the weakness and strength of each class, and what are their role on the battlefield.
@n-x said:
@stayfreshshoe said:
It’s clear they want to play the mode competitively and being given a nudge in the right direction will certainly help that.I have yet to meet a beginner who is playing ranked for the competitive aspect (cough cool bling bling cards cough) and want to learn during a ranked match. What I get most of the time, when I try to advise someone with a less than 100 hour account:
I get ignored
I get insulted in chat
I get screamed at
I get team killed/not healed/some other @$!# behavior
Or after some douchebaggery he drops.
I’ve had this too many times to appreciate it… I had a guy who planted on the hardest to defend point of Underground on the last objective 3 times. And he kept calling us names for not being able to defend a bomb planted behind the center console. I told him, you plant on the right side, and I asked him to slow down so I could show him where, and I can defend it the first time by myself. Instead I got an F U and was told I was insufferable.
@stayfreshshoe said:
We understand your frustrations and that it can be annoying playing with people you deem to be too inexperienced for the mode, but if we were to raise the level requirement for Ranked, or add in another requirement this will severely impact the time it takes to get matches and match balance.
Is there a metric tracking the levels of players in Ranked? Like can you guys actively see that x% of Ranked is Level 7 - 10 or something? I really don’t see how requiring, say, Level 15 for Ranked would impact the matchmaking time and the match balance all that severely, unless like 50% or more of Ranked players were Level 7 - 14.
It might be worth looking into where the majority of Ranked player levels is to see what a reasonable limitation would be. Level 7 really is too low, but I can understand the concern of exacerbating the queue time issue.
THIS IS PURE BS, JUST GOT PAIRED WITH A GUY WITH 22 STREAM HOURS . JUST FUCK THIS SHIT
Well this 22 hours guy at least used an aura but a guy with 22 hours + a fuckin phantom in team is just pure bs
