Rahdo's words - what happened here?

(Kurushi) #681

[QUOTE=Thundermuffin;368371]So a game with no demo recording, horrible performance for approximately 30% of the player base (going by Steam stats and assuming that their 30/70 split is the same for games; and yes ATI is partially to blame but why didn’t SD tell anyone the game didn’t run that well?), a broken stats site, and lots and lots of bugs and imbalances is on par with other games? ET:QW had problems on release, but nothing to the degree of this game. I know VALVe and id games have problems on release too, but neither of their games are as broken as this.

Different isn’t bad as long as you meet and exceed the standards you previously set; that did not happen with this games. I played ET:QW for probably close to 1k hours, yet I’ve only gotten maybe 75 ~ 80 hours in BRINK.[/QUOTE]

Now that’s a bit more constructive \o/

(Kurushi) #682

[QUOTE=wolfnemesis75;368375]75 hours. Not bad amount of fun for $50.00
A 3 hour movie cost $10 at the theater.
So essentially you got a lot of enjoyment and entertainment value out of Brink.
What’s wrong with that? Some games take only 8-10 hours to beat (Portal 2) and it gathers dust.
Brink cost me $60, $10 more than you even. I’ve played for over 200 hours. That’s a lot of bang for the buck. And I still have had time to see the latest movies in the theater this summer. :)[/QUOTE]

I’m ashamed(proud?) to say I put ~150 hours into Brink in the first 2 weeks. I didn’t get much work done that fortnight :smiley:

(wolfnemesis75) #683

I have a family and commitments, work gets in the way. You know the deal. :slight_smile:

(Thundermuffin) #684

[QUOTE=wolfnemesis75;368375]75 hours. Not bad amount of fun for $50.00
A 3 hour movie cost $10 at the theater.
So essentially you got a lot of enjoyment and entertainment value out of Brink.
What’s wrong with that? Some games take only 8-10 hours to beat (Portal 2) and it gathers dust.
Brink cost me $60, $10 more than you even. I’ve played for over 200 hours. That’s a lot of bang for the buck. And I still have had time to see the latest movies in the theater this summer. :)[/QUOTE]

Yeah it’s cheaper than a movie, but that 3 hours is spent with my friends having a great time, plus we go for ice cream/frozen yogurt and spend time just chatting and walking around a mall. I got more enjoyment out of Despicable Me and Just Go With It than I ever did with BRINK, and that was 40$ for 6 hours of movies + extra time afterwards just hanging.

I don’t consider my video games a “bang for my buck” when I get less than 2 or 3 hundred hours out of them when they’re an MP title. Sure 8+ hours for SP is fine, but I buy it when it’s 20$ or less. Paying full price for me is really rare and reserved for titles I actually care a lot about (pretty much just Assassin’s Creed and new in-house id titles).

(Terminator514) #685

[QUOTE=Thundermuffin;368392]Yeah it’s cheaper than a movie, but that 3 hours is spent with my friends having a great time, plus we go for ice cream/frozen yogurt and spend time just chatting and walking around a mall. I got more enjoyment out of Despicable Me and Just Go With It than I ever did with BRINK, and that was 40$ for 6 hours of movies + extra time afterwards just hanging.

I don’t consider my video games a “bang for my buck” when I get less than 2 or 3 hundred hours out of them when they’re an MP title. Sure 8+ hours for SP is fine, but I buy it when it’s 20$ or less. Paying full price for me is really rare and reserved for titles I actually care a lot about (pretty much just Assassin’s Creed and new in-house id titles).[/QUOTE]

I just don’t use movies as a comparison sinc, as you pointed out, they are “different” forms of entertainment. I say “different” because of course they’re are two unique experiences but one you expect 2-3 hours of entertainment, the other (based off titles in the past ex: Halo, CoD, CS, Socom) you expect a large sometimes extremely long-term form of entertainment.

In other words, when I go to a movie I expect to get my 2+ hours of entertainment with my friends/family, but when I buy a game I expect a much, much longer life-cycle. I still play Halo 3 occasionally, I’ve moved to Reach :D, and that game came out in 2007. Now that’s what I expect from my multiplayer titles for my $65 (Tax INCLUDED). If a game fails to deliver hours and hours of value, I feel as if I wasted my money.

My two cents ^ :slight_smile:

(SockDog) #686

[QUOTE=wolfnemesis75;368375]75 hours. Not bad amount of fun for $50.00
A 3 hour movie cost $10 at the theater.
So essentially you got a lot of enjoyment and entertainment value out of Brink.
What’s wrong with that? Some games take only 8-10 hours to beat (Portal 2) and it gathers dust.
Brink cost me $60, $10 more than you even. I’ve played for over 200 hours. That’s a lot of bang for the buck. And I still have had time to see the latest movies in the theater this summer. :)[/QUOTE]

You can justify it like that but honestly if you buy an MP FPS game you’re really expecting playtime in the 100’s of hours otherwise it’s failed to engage you. I don’t feel Brink has ripped me off but I’m back playing L4D2 over Brink, both games cost the same, which is the greater value?

Sure CoD style yearly refreshes have seen to soften that expectation of longevity a bit but I don’t think it’s fair to class the value of Brink next to that of say Portal 2 when the buyer has a different expectation of where their money is going.

(snoopycat) #687

Every day it sinks lower down the game stack. It cant be traded. So it’ll probably just lie there, forgotten, until one day when i’m tidying up, it’ll be thrown into a garbage bag

(.Chris.) #688

Was it you who posted a link to a webpage that has like a breakdown of the value of a game that explained in part why DLC is typically disproportionately priced compared to the initial purchase? Been trying to find it for ages now to post in these threads :slight_smile:

(tokamak) #689

The current back and forth seems like a lot of effort without being very constructive.

We could turn it around. Is there anything you would want to know from the community?

(BiigDaddyDellta) #690

I want to know why they are doing weapon tweaks again. Unless they’re going to reduce the spread again so we can actually have skill baised firefights, I really don’t want another tweak.

(wolfnemesis75) #691

[QUOTE=SockDog;368402]You can justify it like that but honestly if you buy an MP FPS game you’re really expecting playtime in the 100’s of hours otherwise it’s failed to engage you. I don’t feel Brink has ripped me off but I’m back playing L4D2 over Brink, both games cost the same, which is the greater value?

Sure CoD style yearly refreshes have seen to soften that expectation of longevity a bit but I don’t think it’s fair to class the value of Brink next to that of say Portal 2 when the buyer has a different expectation of where their money is going.[/QUOTE]

I am hoping that Brink gets even more DLC. It can be a continuing story and battle that’s expanded each time there’s more DLC. L4D2 is a game I will be picking up to try soon, but has tons of content to expand the experience. Brink keeps getting better each week (imo) and was tons of fun (imo) already. The experience for me is starting early in the development of the Civil War on the Brink and playing through it as it evolves. And I feel it is rewarding and well worth the money. Not many games can hold my attention to a degree that I want to invest a lot of time in it, but Brink does that. Games with generic stories (COD) don’t hold my attention. Brink does that. Brink feels like will evolve overtime. That’s how I feel. Some may not agree at all, but I love how in Brink that there’s an underlying conflict and setting that’s more than just black and white Humans VS the Alien Horde, or U.S.A vs Generic Terrorists. So for bang for buck, Brink has it.

(tokamak) #692

[QUOTE=SockDog;368402]You can justify it like that but honestly if you buy an MP FPS game you’re really expecting playtime in the 100’s of hours otherwise it’s failed to engage you. I don’t feel Brink has ripped me off but I’m back playing L4D2 over Brink, both games cost the same, which is the greater value?
[/QUOTE]

That’s exactly why I wouldn’t mind paying a 100-150 euros for a good multiplayer game like Quake Wars or Starcraft 2, I’ll get my value out of it no matter the price. Hell I spent much, much more WoW, 650 euros or something.

However, a game that doesn’t grab me, and it pains me to say that Brink indeed doesn’t grab me, isn’t worth a fraction of that. I consider my payment of Brink more a tip for the great work delivered with Quake Wars than an actual purchase.

(Azev2000) #693

L4D2 is a good pickup. As is any valve game. DLC’s always free and imagine that. Even an SDK.

(.Chris.) #694

It’s a known fact that Valve employers cant afford 3 meals a day and live in shared accommodation due to this free DLC business and that hardly anyone plays their games seeing as paid DLC is the only way a developer can make money and keep its players happy.

(wolfnemesis75) #695

I was just about to buy it, even had a used copy in my hand at gamestop, but knew the AOC DLC was about to drop and L4D2 would get shelved. I heard that they are gonna add all the original maps to L4D2 as DLC. I will pick it up them, but am having too much fun with Brink. Brink may not be everyone’s cup of tea (hey, its a game!) but I like my Tea with Brink. Ha ha. :smiley:

(wolfnemesis75) #696

I was just about to buy it, even had a used copy in my hand at gamestop, but knew the AOC DLC was about to drop and L4D2 would get shelved. I heard that they are gonna add all the original maps to L4D2 as DLC. I will pick it up them, but am having too much fun with Brink. Brink may not be everyone’s cup of tea (hey, its a game!) but I like my Tea with Brink. Ha ha. :smiley:

(montheponies) #697

Yeah free DLC and SDKs are so yesterday, what a terrible model - I love paying for a game then the DLC then the same game, slightly updated, on a bi-annual routine.

(Darksider) #698

I guess Rahdo stopped replying in here.

(wolfnemesis75) #699

He replied in here two days ago. :slight_smile:

(Darksider) #700

Ah, missed a page, pg.32, damn this thread getting long.