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@immenseWalnut , I’m just stating a generalization for a big part of the gaming community and how is playing with friends and pubstomping related to self respect?
I’m all against pub stomping, I ask for shuffle when I see the game is totally imbalanced, even when I’m playing in the same team as my friends. I understand that comp is the only place right now offering parties to play. But I guess the OP’s point here is not to allow for pub stomping, but simply to add another section to the game which is kinda in between.
Because we want to be able to leave a game midway, or to just play objective mode instead of stopwatch or to play with more than just 5vs5. All of it, with friends. If we’d have a matchmaking system for that, then it wouldn’t be stomping and there would still be people attending.
I love it when I’m right! I just got that sense about you from your first post, that you and your mates were nothing more than weak players just looking for easy slaughter.
Come see me and some of my mates sometime, we will happily play against you 
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This is a bit too black and white… I got players on my friendslist I know since almost 10years. Guys that built a community over their own rented servers (but thats a different request). There were times they alone filled two 12v12 servers. They are very nice, we can have a laught and enjoy playing together. But truth be told, most of them suck - like really suck. If you put enough of them on a team they are enough dead weight to have it lose for sure and they dont mind- they got other priorities.
These guys socialize in the evening after a hard day of work and/or family. And want to relax a little and that is perfectly fine. This is what pubs are for (pun intended). If you reach 30, youre reflexes and aim are not exactly getting better and in the mid forties it can be cruel if you were a former pro 
Competing is one drive for people, but in reality it is not the only reasonable one.
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I just found this video of SD lads sitting in a pub talking how they founded. Notice the headshots…
Good pun
But I know where you are coming from, I am 37 myself. I refuse to believe that age will dim my awesomeness though, what I lack in raw reflexes I can account for with more intelligent movement/positioning And my grenade launcher
However, my point has to stand, we should not encourage a playing field where organised groups get to stomp on less organised groups within a casual environment. There are reasons why it should be allowed, I know this, but the effect it will have on the player base is just too detrimental to allow it. And I honestly believe there are other options available which would be far better.
Playing with friends is by no means bad at all, but playing in an organised group, where you want to avoid the annoyance of being destroyed by superior teams, but want to do the same to teams that you can easily beat, is about as weak as it gets in my opinion.
Not trying to be insulting, I have no idea if you are such a player, but to me, that is just a pure bully attitude. Sometimes you have to take the rough with the smooth, if the only time players have the backbone to step up is when they have a significant advantage, then they aren’t really stepping up, they are just being bullies.
taking your two last replies in consideration, I have to tell you that currently, people who do want to stomp and play with their friends in pubs, do manage to do so eventually. As the OP says there is the initial trouble of starting the game and managing to join everyone on the same team, but once that’s done, they just vote kick other out and bully their way through vote shuffle with no’s.
It’s undeniable that with the current sum of systems there is strength in numbers. And like it or not, setting up a controlled way of allowing teams to play together in a non-competitive background would offer a form of control and restricted playground for those people.
The only way of fixing the current stomping’s without adding a new matchmaking with pre-made teams for pubs would be to add an AI based shuffle and player number balancing, to make votes even more visible than their current state and to make votes work with blank votes counting for the majority’s choice.
Was kind of wondering about that, recently I have encountered teams that were way too organised to just be randoms.
It is still laughable though, the teams I have been on in such games lost mostly, but there have been times we dominated because none of those chumps could aim despite their teamwork.
Missed my point entirely, this has nothing to do with Competitive matches.
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Did I? You wan’t to play with friends, in a party, against people. Thats exactly what competitive mode does. It even has better ranking to “ensure” it’s a “fair” fight…
[quote=“immenseWalnut;96142”]Was kind of wondering about that, recently I have encountered teams that were way too organised to just be randoms.
It is still laughable though, the teams I have been on in such games lost mostly, but there have been times we dominated because none of those chumps could aim despite their teamwork.
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Those aren’t the issue. The issue is when both me and my buddy (level 25 and 15 respectively) join a team of level 20’s and 30’s mid-game, with only under level 10’s on the other side. We call for a shuffle, because if both me and my friend would chip in, we’d be spawn camping in less than 2min, and then only the two of us vote yes with 4 no’s (playing on 6vs6).
Now, the stomping team didn’t want to shuffle and the stomped on team most likely doesn’t even know there is something such as vote shuffle, doesn’t know how it works, or just doesn’t see the vote happening.
That’s why I really believe that shuffling should be AI based. If someone calls for a shuffle, the system analyses the game and if it acknowledges a big imbalance it forcefully shuffles the game.
Basic criteria could be difference between player numbers, as well as total team scores.
I think it would be a quick fix, simple and effective but for the long run a separate pub matchmaking would be ultimately better.
Playing with friends is by no means bad at all, but playing in an organised group, where you want to avoid the annoyance of being destroyed by superior teams, but want to do the same to teams that you can easily beat, is about as weak as it gets in my opinion.
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Did I? You wan’t to play with friends, in a party, against people. Thats exactly what competitive mode does. It even has better ranking to “ensure” it’s a “fair” fight…
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I’m not looking to “pub-stomp”, I just want to ensure I’m playing on the same team as my friends, for the record on GRP we’re constantly being given out to for being “noobs” so by no means are we a team that walks all over others.
I would definitely class my group as friends who are average players at best.
@3N1GM4 To be fair I’ve done competitive matches when it came up as a mission but otherwise left it off, I didn’t actually realize you can queue a group in that mode, I thought you were only referencing a more balanced game of randoms.
How do you queue a group in that mode then?
Did I? You wan’t to play with friends, in a party, against people. Thats exactly what competitive mode does. It even has better ranking to “ensure” it’s a “fair” fight…
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totally this, but i think alot of people dont want the added pressure of being ranked either sometimes.
they just want to chat with their buds and play like idiots/then you have the opposite coin where people just wanna pubstomp to lvl boost and feel good about their lil E peens 
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@3N1GM4 To be fair I’ve done competitive matches when it came up as a mission but otherwise left it off, I didn’t actually realize you can queue a group in that mode, I thought you were only referencing a more balanced game of randoms.
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@tomatoPop Understandable, its easy to miss. When you go into Play Now -> Competitive there is a yellow box up and to the right that says “Create Party”
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@3N1GM4 To be fair I’ve done competitive matches when it came up as a mission but otherwise left it off, I didn’t actually realize you can queue a group in that mode, I thought you were only referencing a more balanced game of randoms.
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@tomatoPop Understandable, its easy to miss. When you go into Play Now -> Competitive there is a yellow box up and to the right that says “Create Party” [/quote]
Thanks @3N1GM4 , I’ll be sure to look for that next time I log in.
Does that include the players that are only there to fulfil their missions? That mission REALLY needs to be pulled in my opinion.
And does it include the people that want to have a competitive match and CHOOSE to sign up by themselves, to end up in a team of randoms vs a co-ordinated pre-made?
The entire mode isn’t working very well, in fact, we could actually do with a 3rd option, team vs team, or random vs random. Yes, at first, the queuing will be horrendous, but once people learn to step in, and start having fun, balanced matches, the numbers would hopefully improve, but as it stands, Comp mode is painful if you experience hackers, pre-mades, lowbies doing missions etc.
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Yes, kinda, it does. Grab a friend or two and just jump in there and communicate. This isn’t pubs
Yes, that was the entire point of the post. People want a competitive match but they don’t even bother to communicate or attempt to create team synergy.