Proxy doesn't NEED a nerf, but here's an idea for one anyway...

(Szakalot) #21

there is already a nice escape mechanism when juking the mine around the corner, which is great imo

(Dr_Plantboss) #22

[quote=“Dawnrazor;215396”]

She’s currently waaaaaaaaaay too awful at 1v1s.[/quote]

I generally disagree, as I believe her to be average in a 1v1. She’s definitely not the best, but she’s not awful.

(Herr_Hanz) #23

[quote=“Dawnrazor;215396”]Alright here’s a simple video of a mine being disabled through a wall:

[quote=“Jokder;215393”]
I like this apart from the 100 hp buff, which imo would make proxy waaaaay to good at 1v1s with her current speed. She would have to have her hitbox increased and speed reduced, which imo would ruin the point of her being the fastest obj specialist.[/quote]

She’s currently waaaaaaaaaay too awful at 1v1s.[/quote]

that video is exactly why i want it to stay, activating a mine around corners is super usefull to destroy them without putting yourself in harms way, and without having to back up and try to find an angle to shoot the mine without it hurting you in the following explosion.

(Dr_Plantboss) #24

@Dawnrazor @Herr_Hanz

They are “proximity mines” not land mines. You shouldn’t have to step on them to make them detonate. If they truly are proximity based, they should be able to pick up some stimuli even through walls that are completely solid.

(DirtyDav) #25

I don’t consider it a bug, just annoying af.

(frostyvampire) #26

This will make her useless.

Blast Radius: Just keep it as it is. Simply removing Lock On from mines will be good

Cooldown: idk. What’s even the cooldown right now? 20 seconds?

Bhop nerf: agreed. But I was thinking more about a limit to jumps.
In csgo if you crouch too much, your crouching becomes very slow and in the end pressing the crouch key will just make you stand still. Something similar but with jumping (where your jumping height and speed is decreased) seems better to me, but of course trickjumps and everything need to stay so it will require a lot of planning and thinking

Unarmed mines being simply removed by shots won’t be too bad but would still suck. Just making unarmed/EMP’d mines deal less damage OR have a smaller blast radius will be enough

(DirtyDav) #27

[quote=“FrostyVampire;215481”]Bhop nerf: agreed. But I was thinking more about a limit to jumps.
In csgo if you crouch too much, your crouching becomes very slow and in the end pressing the crouch key will just make you stand still. Something similar but with jumping (where your jumping height and speed is decreased) seems better to me, but of course trickjumps and everything need to stay so it will require a lot of planning and thinking
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Agree with everything else (especially the lockon part :P), but if you were to do this with proxy, you’d have to do it with every other merc or I don’t think it’d flow right. I don’t think this could ever work, unfortunately. I think just increasing the spread due to vertical velocity ought to be sufficient.

(GatoCommodore) #28

proxy would be considered to be fine if only people know what objective specialist means…

(JJMAJR) #29

Proxy is pretty bad. I bet she would be a needed counter to Phantom (the version on release) because her increased speed, “stop with your ubercharge BS” mines and high CQ DPS naturally counter all the problems people had with Phantom.

(GatoCommodore) #30

Proxy is pretty bad. I bet she would be a needed counter to Phantom (the version on release) because her increased speed, “stop with your ubercharge BS” mines and high CQ DPS naturally counter all the problems people had with Phantom.[/quote]

proxy counters fast squishy mercs and pushes.

her mines instakill squishy mercs and stops or slows enemy momentum.
can be used to protect objective.

using proxy like fragger is a massive mistake and not efficient.

(JJMAJR) #31

Proxy is pretty bad. I bet she would be a needed counter to Phantom (the version on release) because her increased speed, “stop with your ubercharge BS” mines and high CQ DPS naturally counter all the problems people had with Phantom.[/quote]

proxy counters fast squishy mercs and pushes.

her mines instakill squishy mercs and stops or slows enemy momentum.
can be used to protect objective.

using proxy like fragger is a massive mistake and not efficient.[/quote]

Proxy vs. 400 EHP Phantom that can’t attack without being reduced to 110 HP.
Proxy’s mines could be circumvented and usually require one bullet to dispatch.
Proxy’s frame is extremely fragile and isn’t the best combat class, but it’s good enough to stay out of reach of Phantom and using the highest DPS weapons besides Rhino.

But considering that Proxy is the only counter to Phantom and Phantom was such a good combat class, it’s bad design considering the loadout system in place.

(GatoCommodore) #32

Proxy is pretty bad. I bet she would be a needed counter to Phantom (the version on release) because her increased speed, “stop with your ubercharge BS” mines and high CQ DPS naturally counter all the problems people had with Phantom.[/quote]

proxy counters fast squishy mercs and pushes.

her mines instakill squishy mercs and stops or slows enemy momentum.
can be used to protect objective.

using proxy like fragger is a massive mistake and not efficient.[/quote]

Proxy vs. 400 EHP Phantom that can’t attack without being reduced to 110 HP.
Proxy’s mines could be circumvented and usually require one bullet to dispatch.
Proxy’s frame is extremely fragile and isn’t the best combat class, but it’s good enough to stay out of reach of Phantom and using the highest DPS weapons besides Rhino.

But considering that Proxy is the only counter to Phantom and Phantom was such a good combat class, it’s bad design considering the loadout system in place.[/quote]

well if i see phantom near my mine smugly boasting his emp i will just shoot the mine.

(JJMAJR) #33

Proxy is pretty bad. I bet she would be a needed counter to Phantom (the version on release) because her increased speed, “stop with your ubercharge BS” mines and high CQ DPS naturally counter all the problems people had with Phantom.[/quote]

proxy counters fast squishy mercs and pushes.

her mines instakill squishy mercs and stops or slows enemy momentum.
can be used to protect objective.

using proxy like fragger is a massive mistake and not efficient.[/quote]

Proxy vs. 400 EHP Phantom that can’t attack without being reduced to 110 HP.
Proxy’s mines could be circumvented and usually require one bullet to dispatch.
Proxy’s frame is extremely fragile and isn’t the best combat class, but it’s good enough to stay out of reach of Phantom and using the highest DPS weapons besides Rhino.

But considering that Proxy is the only counter to Phantom and Phantom was such a good combat class, it’s bad design considering the loadout system in place.[/quote]

well if i see phantom near my mine smugly boasting his emp i will just shoot the mine.[/quote]

Phantom didn’t have EMP in the version I was talking about! You know back when the guy was actually put in the game? Where he could tank a bloody FEL-IX headshot or a skyhammer airstrike?!

(GatoCommodore) #34

Proxy is pretty bad. I bet she would be a needed counter to Phantom (the version on release) because her increased speed, “stop with your ubercharge BS” mines and high CQ DPS naturally counter all the problems people had with Phantom.[/quote]

proxy counters fast squishy mercs and pushes.

her mines instakill squishy mercs and stops or slows enemy momentum.
can be used to protect objective.

using proxy like fragger is a massive mistake and not efficient.[/quote]

Proxy vs. 400 EHP Phantom that can’t attack without being reduced to 110 HP.
Proxy’s mines could be circumvented and usually require one bullet to dispatch.
Proxy’s frame is extremely fragile and isn’t the best combat class, but it’s good enough to stay out of reach of Phantom and using the highest DPS weapons besides Rhino.

But considering that Proxy is the only counter to Phantom and Phantom was such a good combat class, it’s bad design considering the loadout system in place.[/quote]

well if i see phantom near my mine smugly boasting his emp i will just shoot the mine.[/quote]

Phantom didn’t have EMP in the version I was talking about! You know back when the guy was actually put in the game? Where he could tank a bloody FEL-IX headshot or a skyhammer airstrike?![/quote]

i didnt even read your comment before.
i dont even know what EHP, Circumvented, dispatch means

(Indefinite) #35

[quote=“sweetColumn;c-215736”]
i didnt even read your comment before.
i dont even know what EHP, Circumvented, dispatch means[/quote]

  1. Then why reply to it?
  2. You’re on the internet. Dictionary the latter two. The previous one you could just guess.

Suggesting Proxy was a counter to OPhantom of the OPera is a pretty good laugh, though. I could start licking my mouse after I spotted and started closing on a Proxy, whether or not there was an armed mine between us (two is what’d stop you), and look up five seconds later to sometimes see I got two kills instead of just the Proxy.

(Chilled Sanity) #36

Why would anybody with a brain disagree

(JJMAJR) #37

[quote=“Bröd;c-216609”]

Why would anybody with a brain disagree [/quote]

Because some people think that Proxy is weak as hell and want a rework of her.

Even if it’s Proxy having antitank mines.