Popularizing Brink for eSports/Competitive Community

(DarkangelUK) #41

Wow I thought the ETQW4Newbies had disappeared, was looking for the old tricking stuff I wrote for that.

(Bullveyr) #42

I dissagree, I prefer the WolfTV way where you can’t switch players.
Chat is more exiting when all people on the server see the same.

(DonkeyDong) #43

[QUOTE=Bullveyr;267753]I dissagree, I prefer the WolfTV way where you can’t switch players.
Chat is more exiting when all people on the server see the same.[/QUOTE]

Well you can in ETQW go with the commentators camera point of view. At the bottom of the screen everyone can talk with each other.

Now, optionally you can click buttons (bound differently for my tv mode) to switch around to different players that are relevant to you and interest you, ie, i was a light vehicle whore, so I enjoyed switching to the commentator, but particularly switching to Sub6 and Red when they drove that ‘bastardized female equivalent’.

Either way, the choice was yours,. you can make yourself happy and still had the common chat area

(DouglasDanger) #44

Nobody cares about gamers other than gamers, despite what some gamers and marketing people think people care about. Unless you know a game and play it, matches are not fun to watch. Competive gamers and “major league gamers” are silly. Gaming is not a spectator sport.

(Nail) #45

oh yeah, ever watch two drunks playing Wii tennis, now that’s sport

:wink:

(hobodefcon) #46

Yet starcraft is on TV in korea. Yet in starcraft matches with audiences, such as on the ones on GOMTV, there are a significant amount of girls in the audience, and I’m sure barely any of them play starcraft. Some of their post-secondary schools have starcraft classes.

In the north american culture, you are right, watching matches if you don’t know what’s going on is not fun and gaming is not a great spectator sport. That doesn’t make competitive gamers silly, as it is proven in korea that e-sports can have an audience, it just hasn’t been developed over here to that point yet.

(Cankor) #47

yeah, we’ve been hosting it ever since Ifurita lost his website. Lots of the links are broken. There’s still adds and stuff up on it too, no idea if he still see’s anything from them or not (probably not).

Greased’s training videos as well as szakalot’s flyers guide are also hosted on TAW’s FTP site (same link as VOD’s posted above). That’s actually probably a better resouce for anyone who wants to watch those VOD’s but doesn’t know much about the game, look at the map walkthrough’s by Greased Scotsman:

http://www.bravehardt.com/TAW/Quake_Wars/DukeNukeM/Videos/Tutorials/

(Humate) #48

QL duel matches are awesome to watch.
I don’t think you really need to have played the game in order to understand whats going on either.
It does however help, if you’re watching the best of the best play.

(Herandar) #49

Why can’t Korean girls play Starcraft?

(hobodefcon) #50

Its not that they don’t, just unlikely that they do. I’ve actually heard of guys in korea trying to teach their gf’s how to play at those internet cafes. And also, I haven’t seen a female pro gamer for starcraft in the gomtv broadcast.

(Nail) #51

the girls are there because the gamers are treated like rockstars in Korea, little gamer groupies

(trigg3r) #52

lol so true, i remember watching a video about some of the best korean gamers and was like WTF!!

(triggerpappy) #53

We cover and are in contact with most of the North American ESports Leagues and Broadcasters.
They are interested in Brink but are taking a wait and see approach as to what support from Anti-cheat, mod tools, broadcasting and other comp friendly features that are there as well as how popular it will be. MLG will probably have the best purses as it pretty much dominates FPS esports console side.

The state of FPS esports is not good especially in North America. ESL and the other European leagues have more sponsors and purses. Since CAL/CPL died and since Counterstrike there really hasn’t been a consistent FPS league. COD4 was good for a bit but that was still 3 versions ago.

We has an interview with some esports type questions but I think they won;t really be able to answer all those until we are closer to release but Brink has the elements for a good comp game. Balance, objective type gameplay, team oriented gameplay. The big issue is control and support. VAC Anticheat flat out sucks for competition so its up to replays. As far as control a SDK would be nice but may not even be needed. I know we had a question about server side variables but I don’t know if they are ready to answer that yet.

Anyway we are in contact with the admins from CEVO, ESL, e-rev, iPwn, CG, IGL, XPL, TWL and we meet before E3 with the leaders of the North American FPS community to come up with our FPS Manifesto as shown here We will be doing this again this April and hopefully meeting again with developers to present it to them again this year.

As far as developers esports is so small for them and some folks in the industry feel the elitism and attitude drives casual players away so they sometimes go out of their way to make sure its not comp friendly. If they see a mature community with dollar signs then they will be more apt to put these features in. Again I am not referring specifically to SD but the industry as a whole.

Bottom line is if the game is good then the established leagues and communities will be very active with Brink and will find a way to do competitions. If SD can help facilitate that, then that is even better.
However until there is more maturity and professionalism in esports don’t expect much in the way of sponsorships, support and opportunities in FPS esports. I have helped run WCG and other tourneys and the SC players were always the most mature. That is one reason they have the best opportunities in esports.

Our interview from PAX with a couple SD folks will be up later at
http://pax.fragworld.org

Triggerpappy

(hobodefcon) #54

To clarify, SC players have more opportunities in esports mainly because of how they behave and conduct themselves? Sounds easy enough yet probably pretty hard to achieve in reality.

Makes sense actually, if you look at the example of tiger woods. The role-model persona that was portrayed and his golfing abilities made him pretty damn rich. As soon as the scandal broke out, sponsors were cutting ties almost immediately.

(DarkangelUK) #55

I’m guessing its also easier to sponsor an individual than an entire team. Q3/QL was the only popular 1v1 series, the rest are team based… and several people cost more than 1.

(Bullveyr) #56

[QUOTE=DonkeyDong;267815]Well you can in ETQW go with the commentators camera point of view. At the bottom of the screen everyone can talk with each other.

Now, optionally you can click buttons (bound differently for my tv mode) to switch around to different players that are relevant to you and interest you, ie, i was a light vehicle whore, so I enjoyed switching to the commentator, but particularly switching to Sub6 and Red when they drove that ‘bastardized female equivalent’.

Either way, the choice was yours,. you can make yourself happy and still had the common chat area[/QUOTE]
I know but if people aren’t forced to watch the same guy a lot won’t do it and I still find it better this way.

PS:

A friend of mine took a quick holdiday in Korea when he worked in Japan for a few months. He went to a SC event in some stadium, they seemed to be very exited to have some non-asian guy at the event and took him on the stage for an interview.
–> It’s very easy to get on korean live TV if you aren’t asian. :smiley:

(.Chris.) #57

Same for all over east asia, I’m in a Malaysian Tourism video, my acting skills were immense, sadly it’s not online.