PLEASE don't change the AI just to appease the idiotic masses!

(TheBigLebowski) #21

Lol. You are being very un-dude here. I never saw your profile. I have the same profile on other forums, just funny you have the same. Great movie.

(TheBIG_Lebowski) #22

Same profile pic too??? Theres hundreds, whats the odds?

(AnathemaFox) #23

Im confused… are you saying that you believe there is nothing wrong with friendly bots and support it with

“I’ve played solo, with 1 friend and up to 3 other friends all on the same team (4 human+4 bots vs 8 bots). The friendly AI has been great.”

I have to agree that the AI friendly bots are lobotomy patients… Especially when a bot picks up a cap objective and then just stands there and fights… i had to TK him when we only had 3 mins left to capture it and turn it in my self… alone (every bot was in a hallway on the other side of the map… not fighting reds… just bouncing off one another)

(SinDonor) #24

[QUOTE=AnathemaFox;303966]Im confused… are you saying that you believe there is nothing wrong with friendly bots and support it with

“I’ve played solo, with 1 friend and up to 3 other friends all on the same team (4 human+4 bots vs 8 bots). The friendly AI has been great.”

I have to agree that the AI friendly bots are lobotomy patients… Especially when a bot picks up a cap objective and then just stands there and fights… i had to TK him when we only had 3 mins left to capture it and turn it in my self… alone (every bot was in a hallway on the other side of the map… not fighting reds… just bouncing off one another)[/QUOTE]

How are you confused with what I said. I have played games by myself (with all other players as bots) and with a few human teammates (and all other players bots) and I have not witnessed this issue you have spoken about. I’ve played a total of maybe 10 or so full matches (along with the Challenges about 15-20 times).

You obviously had a bot AI bug that occurred ONCE with the non-moving bot and the other bot teammates stuck in the hallways. This is a complicated game, errors are still going to happen. No game ever ships 100% bug free, especially with advanced AI. I’ve seen silly AI errors with Crysis 2 enemies and Halo enemies as well and they only run investigate, kill, and evade routines.

If this AI error occurs for you every time you play, then that’s a weird bug that I have yet to experience. You should post the exact issue and all details in the tech support forum.

(Caw) #25

This is such a wonderful troll post and you’re all falling for it. “The AI teammates are great, you just suck at this game and don’t know how to play properly!”

(Stimson) #26

Try security mission 6 where you have to plant the hack box, it goes up SO SLOW and you may have 1 bot there occasionally, while the enemy AI spawns there and roflpwns anything that is near the missile. Its just the fact that its a PRIMARY OBJECTIVE and your AI is more concerned with taking a supply post that for the most part isnt as helpful as winning the mission.

Also, OP stated he had 1-3 buddies with him, you dont realize how horrid the AI is when you have a partner that can actually help you.

(peteXnasty) #27

At the start of the machinima livestream, hitch was playing the first challenge andhe tired around, walked back to his spawn, and caught a bot just literally standing there aimlessly

I will die and get sent to spectator mode sometimes and when I flip through my team I constantly find bots running in packs nowhere near an objective getting gunned down without making an effort to survive

I had one bot pick up the datakey in terminal, run in the opposite direction of the objective, and set up shop in some corner covering a doorway into the room. He stayed there until he died.

Meanwhile the enemy team is sniping me with handguns, doing instant 180 melee turns, and landing across map grenade tosses on top of the spot my turret is ABOUT to be built with pinpoint accuracy, on top of swarming all objectives always while my team runs around aimlessly

I understand the reasoning but the firendly AI is too spotty and enemy AI is just ruthless and cheating at times. There has to be a balance.

(SinDonor) #28

Uh, nope. Not trolling. If you’re on Xbox Live, please feel free to hit me up. I’ll be happy to play with you and you can show me these AI issues you’re talking about.

Or, continue to post useless replies.

(SinDonor) #29

[QUOTE=Stimson;304028]Try security mission 6 where you have to plant the hack box, it goes up SO SLOW and you may have 1 bot there occasionally, while the enemy AI spawns there and roflpwns anything that is near the missile. Its just the fact that its a PRIMARY OBJECTIVE and your AI is more concerned with taking a supply post that for the most part isnt as helpful as winning the mission.

Also, OP stated he had 1-3 buddies with him, you dont realize how horrid the AI is when you have a partner that can actually help you.[/QUOTE]

I have done that one, but only with 3 or 4 human teammates and 3-4 teammate bots. I was an engineer and posted a medium turret to the back/left of the hack point, my one friend was an Op, and the other a medic/assault. Once we cleared the area (FINALLY), and setup shop, it wasn’t but within 30 seconds that two of the friendly AI bots switched to Ops and helped my one human teammate hack. I gave them all kevlar and my other buddy was buffing either ammo or health. This was on “easy” mode though. It was still tough, but I didn’t experience the issues you had.

I like that the teammate AI does go after side obj’s like supply and health com-posts (huh huh compost). It buffs my player and keeps me focused on the important things. I’ve only played solo missions about twice (not counting the Objective Challenges), so perhaps these AI flaws will be more apparent if I play solo more often.

(The Spartan Don) #30

There’s a difference between friendly bots taking your glory and friendly bots actually helping you out. You cannot rely on them to cover you when capturing the objective or hacking a terminal. They just go off and do their own thing, until there is only two minutes left. THEN they decide to become useful… Also two minutes isn’t nearly enough time to ‘capture’ the objective. Since the bots are usually scattered around the map, nowhere near the objective.

Don’t even get me started on the enemy bots.

It’s not as if the bots aren’t capable, it’s just poor design choices that really make them seem ‘dumb’. What was going through the designers minds when they thought that deliberately making act like ‘noobs’ was a good idea???

Playing with humans is fun though.

(SinDonor) #31

[QUOTE=peteXnasty;304032]At the start of the machinima livestream, hitch was playing the first challenge andhe tired around, walked back to his spawn, and caught a bot just literally standing there aimlessly

I will die and get sent to spectator mode sometimes and when I flip through my team I constantly find bots running in packs nowhere near an objective getting gunned down without making an effort to survive

I had one bot pick up the datakey in terminal, run in the opposite direction of the objective, and set up shop in some corner covering a doorway into the room. He stayed there until he died.

Meanwhile the enemy team is sniping me with handguns, doing instant 180 melee turns, and landing across map grenade tosses on top of the spot my turret is ABOUT to be built with pinpoint accuracy, on top of swarming all objectives always while my team runs around aimlessly

I understand the reasoning but the firendly AI is too spotty and enemy AI is just ruthless and cheating at times. There has to be a balance.[/QUOTE]

A few points:

  1. The lead creative director stated that some bots would act like noobs (if set to Easy mode). My one friend who played last night was a noob. He sat in front of the wall on Security level 1 and he was tasked with blowing it up (as the Assault guy). He was just standing there, getting shot and downed over and over. My medic friend would revive him and I’d try to cover him. Then he’d just die over and over. Finally, I asked “Dude, WTF are you doing?” He says “I can’t plant this stupid charge!” I say “Why not, what’s wrong??” He says “I keep tapping X button and nothing happens!” I say “You #@$%ing noob! Hold the X button!” He says “Oh, I am a dumbass.” and then successfully planted the charge.

  2. I need to start watching my teammate AI bots. That’s a good idea.

  3. I have noticed the Enemy AI is kinda ruthless (even on Easy mode), yet I have only lost one mission so far (and a few multiplayer challenges). I’m not complaining. I like it. I especially love to watch enemies scatter when I throw a grenade at a group or start pelting them with my minigun.

Side note: I chased one skinny Enemy AI bot down and he was hiding behind a pillar as I shot at him with the minigun. I was laughing my ass off because as I moved left around the pillar, he’d move right, then I’d switch directions and so would he. That pillar had like 100 bullet holes in it. Finally, he was able to maneuver to a position where he ran to a railing, climbed on it then wall-jumped to a walkway above and out of my line of sight. Sunuvabitch!!!

That was awesome. Need to get my capture machine set up and record this stuff.

(TheBigLebowski) #32

I didn’t know you had a copyright on this avatar? lol. That avatar is pretty standard dude.