Phantom Viability Theory

(neverplayseriou) #21

@JJMAJR You must be the same guy trying to convince me in game that you owned this game and would ban me, he also was saying all sorts of random stuff

(TheOrangePhantome) #22

@sensitiveJellyfish Hey no need to hate on the kido he’s just trying to be a good troll and failing miserably.

(gg2ez) #23

A very stupid troll. Especially since he doesn’t realise we can check the store for all loadout cards.

(JJMAJR) #24

I don’t think three of those loadouts have SMGs. I put arrows pointing to them.
Those screenshots I took from the actual game, in the shop.

Just go to the shop.

I didn’t want to troll anyone, and shotguns suck in my opinion. Maybe because I hate playing with them.

Goddammit the image isn’t loading.

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(TheOrangePhantome) #25

@JJMAJR Pls tell that you’re joking. That’s the blishlock the worst SMG in the game. It doesn’t even look like a shot gun.
Which shotgun has such a giant stock tell me?

(JJMAJR) #26

I thought those were shotguns. I guess I am too new to the game to know otherwise.

C’est la vie, sorry for bringing the topic up. It already happened though, so I won’t erase my mistakes.

(TheOrangePhantome) #27

[quote=“JJMAJR;87707”]I thought those were shotguns. I guess I am too new to the game to know otherwise.

C’est la vie, sorry for bringing the topic up.[/quote]

Ahh np mate we all make mistakes but those loudouts were there since Phantoms release btw. Just the more you know.

(JJMAJR) #28

It doesn’t change the fact that I still hate playing with shotguns. Also the camouflage shouldn’t provide invulnerability. Players should be able to punish phantoms for going to obvious hiding places if they see fit.

(Kevin) #29

Not invulnerability, if it was then it would make him comepletely immune to damage which he is not and if you remove it you’d better buff the cloak part of Phantom which is nearly useless in this so-called fast paced game.

(TheOrangePhantome) #30

IMO i think that phantom should have his armor removed and have his cloak invisibility increased to 85% or 90%. In that way you can be sneakier than you are now. Also make the noise that the cloak makes quieter.

(watsyurdeal) #31

The problem with Phantom is their idea of a Stealth class, and the actual execution, is terrible.

Stealth Classes should be able to get to positions others can’t, or can but with significantly more effort. They should be the class that can get key picks at ideal times for a push.

Right now, Phantom’s cloak is trash, and the armor apparently is the only thing keeping him viable, which to me just translates to the class needs to go back to the drawing board.

I know people don’t like comparing this game to TF2, but as far as I’m concerned they did the best job with balancing invisibility. You can get where you need to be, but you can’t attack the enemy until you are uncloaked, it’s the perfect tradeoff imo.

(Grave_Knight) #32

[quote=“TheOrangePhantome;87703”]JJMAJR Pls tell that you’re joking. That’s the blishlock the worst SMG in the game. It doesn’t even look like a shot gun.
Which shotgun has such a giant stock tell me?[/quote]Saiga 12, but that’s not in the game…yet. (SD, please give us full auto shotguns.)

(Amerika) #33

[quote=“Grave_Knight;87866”][quote=“TheOrangePhantome;87703”]JJMAJR Pls tell that you’re joking. That’s the blishlock the worst SMG in the game. It doesn’t even look like a shot gun.
Which shotgun has such a giant stock tell me?[/quote]Saiga 12, but that’s not in the game…yet. (SD, please give us full auto shotguns.)

[/quote]

Oh god I’m not sure I could handle a full auto shotgun again. SoF2 had one of those and despite it be fairly weak it was still one of the most intimidating things to hear when somebody went ham with it.

(TheOrangePhantome) #34

[quote=“Grave_Knight;87866”][quote=“TheOrangePhantome;87703”]JJMAJR Pls tell that you’re joking. That’s the blishlock the worst SMG in the game. It doesn’t even look like a shot gun.
Which shotgun has such a giant stock tell me?[/quote]Saiga 12, but that’s not in the game…yet. (SD, please give us full auto shotguns.)

[/quote]

Yeah it looks just a bit like the Saiga i can agree.

(gg2ez) #35

If “Phantom’s job is killing people” he should get an ability that has an offensive side to it.

(Verticules) #36

Phantom’s combat is fine. That is not the issue. Him not being a viable pick for team comps is the issue. This thread is for theorizing ways to make him viable, w/o changing his combat effectiveness or role.

(JJMAJR) #37

[quote=“Grave_Knight;87866”][quote=“TheOrangePhantome;87703”]JJMAJR Pls tell that you’re joking. That’s the blishlock the worst SMG in the game. It doesn’t even look like a shot gun.
Which shotgun has such a giant stock tell me?[/quote]Saiga 12, but that’s not in the game…yet. (SD, please give us full auto shotguns.)

[/quote]

I played MGS4 and got the Big Boss emblem, and used the Saiga 12 very often to get it. No wonder I confused the Blishlock with a shotgun from its silhouette.

I also used the XN8 to defeat Screaming Mantis. I dunno if that weapon is in the game…

(Grave_Knight) #38

[quote=“JJMAJR;88024”][quote=“Grave_Knight;87866”][quote=“TheOrangePhantome;87703”]JJMAJR Pls tell that you’re joking. That’s the blishlock the worst SMG in the game. It doesn’t even look like a shot gun.
Which shotgun has such a giant stock tell me?[/quote]Saiga 12, but that’s not in the game…yet. (SD, please give us full auto shotguns.)

[/quote]
I played MGS4 and got the Big Boss emblem, and used the Saiga 12 very often to get it. No wonder I confused the Blishlock with a shotgun from its silhouette.

I also used the XN8 to defeat Screaming Mantis. I dunno if that weapon is in the game…[/quote]
You should look up the Kriss Vector than, which is what the Blishlok is based on. Though from what I heard they have different shooting characteristics.

(TheOrangePhantome) #39

@gg2ez I’m listening tell us the idea you have.

(gg2ez) #40

Kunai Storm - Phantom throws a widespread smatter of Kunai at enemies that do 30 damage on body shot and 50 damage on headshot. (Basically throws a barrage of low damage throwing knives).

Could take out low health enemies and reduce the health of multiple enemies at a time in order to make them easier to kill for your team and yourself.