Yeah, that’s pretty much what I had in mind. I just want to make sure he doesn’t have a 100% chance to kill whoever he wants when his cloak CD is being used. There needs to be some risk and if it’s cheap it will seriously upset a lot of the playerbase.
If that can be done then I’d be pretty happy with him despite my love of abusing the hell out of the armor 
All three options in the poll are bad options. Phantom doesn’t need a nerf or a buff. He needs a purpose aside from killing people
Sorry buddy, Devs said it themselves in the last stream. "Phantom will never be getting a spotter ability like other recons because his job is killing people
Sorry buddy, Devs said it themselves in the last stream. "Phantom will never be getting a spotter ability like other recons because his job is killing people [/quote]
Then I disagree with the developers on that one, especially since killing people is something everyone can do. Some even do it better than Phantom can. If anything, Phantom is the best camper in the game.
Phantom’s combat is fine. His real issue is his viability in team composition. He is not OP or UP, he just doesn’t have a place on a well structured team.
Off-topic: How is he doing in execution? I won’t be home til Sunday.
Sorry buddy, Devs said it themselves in the last stream. "Phantom will never be getting a spotter ability like other recons because his job is killing people [/quote]
Then I disagree with the developers on that one, especially since killing people is something everyone can do. Some even do it better than Phantom can. If anything, Phantom is the best camper in the game.[/quote]
You see, wierd things happen when different people play Phantom and I’ve noticed it too. Bad players make Phantom sh*ttier than anything, Good player somehow manage to destroy people as Phantom - you won’t ever see the good players camping - only the bad ones.
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You see, wierd things happen when different people play Phantom and I’ve noticed it too. Bad players make Phantom sh*ttier than anything, Good player somehow manage to destroy people as Phantom - you won’t ever see the good players camping - only the bad ones. [/quote]
His skill cap is on the higher side. And IMO people tend to play him how they want him to work, not how he actually should be played.
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You see, wierd things happen when different people play Phantom and I’ve noticed it too. Bad players make Phantom sh*ttier than anything, Good player somehow manage to destroy people as Phantom - you won’t ever see the good players camping - only the bad ones. [/quote]
His skill cap is on the higher side. And IMO people tend to play him how they want him to work, not how he actually should be played.[/quote]
People think that they can get kills just by running around with the Katana. Gotta use that KEK.
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You see, wierd things happen when different people play Phantom and I’ve noticed it too. Bad players make Phantom sh*ttier than anything, Good player somehow manage to destroy people as Phantom - you won’t ever see the good players camping - only the bad ones. [/quote]
His skill cap is on the higher side. And IMO people tend to play him how they want him to work, not how he actually should be played.[/quote]
People think that they can get kills just by running around with the Katana. Gotta use that KEK. [/quote]
I’ve seen both ends of the spectrum on that too; which Phantom won?
The one who Cloak’d and Kek’d.
[quote=“gg2ez;87130”][quote=“VerticallyObese;87126”][quote=“gg2ez;87110”]
You see, wierd things happen when different people play Phantom and I’ve noticed it too. Bad players make Phantom sh*ttier than anything, Good player somehow manage to destroy people as Phantom - you won’t ever see the good players camping - only the bad ones. [/quote]
His skill cap is on the higher side. And IMO people tend to play him how they want him to work, not how he actually should be played.[/quote]
People think that they can get kills just by running around with the Katana. Gotta use that KEK. [/quote]
Or crotzni.
Sorry buddy, Devs said it themselves in the last stream. "Phantom will never be getting a spotter ability like other recons because his job is killing people [/quote]
Then I disagree with the developers on that one, especially since killing people is something everyone can do. Some even do it better than Phantom can. If anything, Phantom is the best camper in the game.[/quote]
You see, wierd things happen when different people play Phantom and I’ve noticed it too. Bad players make Phantom sh*ttier than anything, Good player somehow manage to destroy people as Phantom - you won’t ever see the good players camping - only the bad ones. [/quote]
So i guess i’m just a good player cuz usually i can destroy the enemy lads while playing as phantom. Unless it’s one of those days when my aim is really of.
Phantom’s usefulness is directly related to whats going on around you. The only time when he’s doing any good is when the enemy isn’t paying attention. If you directly compare him to the Spy in TF2, of course hes going to fail. His cloak/decloak is clearly audible, and he’s pretty visible when you’re on your toes.
However, he’s a lot better when his target is already in the fray. He’s less of a spy, and more of a DnD rouge. Flanking and ambushing are what he does best, not backstabing. You can try the backstabby method, and it might work when someone is rushing to clutch an objective, but more often then not they’re just going to turn around plug you.
Which is why he has both the shielding and the 110 HP. That audible decloak is MUCH harder to hear over gunfire and artillery. When a player is already focused all their attention on trying to track an enemy, he’s going to be much harder to see. Phantom thrives in chaos more than a Spy ever could. Run in on a vulnerable target/targets, spray down with KEK or Crotzni, run off and hopefully draw out the enemy with you.
These are just my observations of what makes a good Phantom, and a dead one. I mention Spy because its the comparison most players are going to make. When I first tried him, I tried to play Spy. I was a very, very dead Phantom.
That’s pretty much what I’ve been saying all along @Sir_Slam. What you described is exactly how Phantom is played well when playing to his strengths as opposed to trying to force him to be something he is not. Some players try to force him into being a TF2 Spy when he clearly doesn’t have the tools for it and not even try to use and ignore the strengths he does have.
And that’s how i play him. About 85% of yhr time i’ll flank kill a few enemies and distract thr others or just go in a 1v1/1v2 and if i can cloak and run and hopefully have the enemis attention. The other 25% i just flank or go head on and murder everything.
[quote=“Amerika;84959”]He’s horribly underpowered. Please buff. If he was properly balanced I would have won.
wut… bro… you are like mowing down like 999 people in one life… Haxor…
That wasnt even a good example of Phantom gameplay, but more of your average merc shooting at other people pewpew*pew and shitty players in the other team. You shooting at them didn’t even make them bat an eye 3:45 and your cloak wasn’t even used most of the game and when you did there was nobody there. Not a good example at all.
That is kind of the point. This is a first person shooter game where you shoot people And yes, there were 3 people at 3:45 that didn’t notice I was behind them and I shot them in the back while they were busy trying to shoot people in front of them and push forward for the successful delivery.
Also, refractive armor is better used to get into position to kill people than to use as a mecahnism to rush into people and try to melee them down. I use it for protection against random shots hitting me from people that aren’t in my field of view as opposed to being sneaky. It keeps me at full HP until I want to engage in a gunfight. I also don’t use it a lot when I know people won’t be around because I don’t want to waste the timer for when I’d actually need it or would need to use it to make an escape.
What is “good” Phantom gameplay?[quote=“gg2ez;89990”]@Adam his whole YT channel is about mowing people down.[/quote]
I do like to keep my lawn at a consistent height
That is kind of the point. This is a first person shooter game where you shoot people And yes, there were 3 people at 3:45 that didn’t notice I was behind them and I shot them in the back while they were busy trying to shoot people in front of them and push forward for the successful delivery.
Also, refractive armor is better used to get into position to kill people than to use as a mecahnism to rush into people and try to melee them down. I use it for protection against random shots hitting me from people that aren’t in my field of view as opposed to being sneaky. It keeps me at full HP until I want to engage in a gunfight. I also don’t use it a lot when I know people won’t be around because I don’t want to waste the timer for when I’d actually need it or would need to use it to make an escape.
What is “good” Phantom gameplay?[/quote]
Well here you go @Kevin
Gotta understand that in a First Person Shooter game, you’re supposed to shoot people. As a player that uses Phantom alot more than a sane person, I will destroy you if you try to do anything else but shoot me 