Phantom after the new update

[JShug07]

So I just used phantom after this new 300mb update and I feel like the phantom is useless again,it seems like his cloaking ability is just useless.People can now easily see the phantom after being cloaked even after I tried to standby/sit for like 4-6 seconds on a still place,I wanted to reassure is this just me or it is happening to everyone else because it seems like the phantom is now a Merc with only EM wave ability,cloak ability seems to be useless now

[Mc1412013]

Im still wrecking people after update. Most People still seem to not see me. Just need to learn to be sneaky and not go at them when there looking right at you. I like to go at them at a curve instead of staight at them and try to go at them while there distracted if possible.

[GatoCommodore]

@JShug07 said:
So I just used phantom after this new 300mb update and I feel like the phantom is useless again,it seems like his cloaking ability is just useless.People can now easily see the phantom after being cloaked even after I tried to standby/sit for like 4-6 seconds on a still place,I wanted to reassure is this just me or it is happening to everyone else because it seems like the phantom is now a Merc with only EM wave ability,cloak ability seems to be useless now

good players would rekt noob phantom regardless

phantom is a very advanced merc, like Red Eye

[bgyoshi]

Yep, can see him and kill him before he can decloak 8/10 times

Also I dunno what it is but a lot of phantoms that were pretty good before seem to be missing surprise stabs really often. Not sure what’s up with that

[JShug07]

@GatoCommodore said:

@JShug07 said:
So I just used phantom after this new 300mb update and I feel like the phantom is useless again,it seems like his cloaking ability is just useless.People can now easily see the phantom after being cloaked even after I tried to standby/sit for like 4-6 seconds on a still place,I wanted to reassure is this just me or it is happening to everyone else because it seems like the phantom is now a Merc with only EM wave ability,cloak ability seems to be useless now

good players would rekt noob phantom regardless

phantom is a very advanced merc, like Red Eye

Yes I know good players would rekt noob phantom but it seems like even lvl 5- lvl 10 players can also easily see phantom now and what I also felt like that when you use his ability you will also feel like that you are not 100% cloaked even being sneaky,I also saw that whenever my team mate uses the ability I can literally see the cloaked version even he’s cloaked for next 10 seconds

[K1X455]

How about you don’t cloak in full view of the enemy?

[NamelessSeeker]

New phantom is perfectly fine as it is atm. neither OP nor UP, balanced.
its not as hard to see like before this update, but u can still be sneaky & get kills, just not as easily like before.

[ThePigVomit]

Phantom should, and appears now is, a high floor/ high ceiling merc. You need to use flanking approaches and timing to get behind the opfor .

I was never good at that.

I’m ok with a stealth merc, as long as it isn’t flowbreaking. I’m glad they rolled it back a bit so not everyone can rek with the merc. Having an invisible to be able to run straight at you like an unseen jouster was the epitome of not fun.

[Deathi]

No, really? Who would have expected that by making him a bit visible he will get (more or less) useless again? Can’t be…

[l2c]

He’s worse now than before his “re-work”. Atleast before you could crouch and be still to reduce visibility, now you’re more visible the closer you are, regardless of speed. And the cloak doesn’t absorb any damage anymore, so it’s not really that useful at all.
I don’t get the range-dependent stealth at all, why would I cloak if I’m across the map from enemies? Cloak is so you can get close, not hide in the back.
Playing earlier, ~everyone saw me, it’s real hard to be useful now. You can’t play like pre-“re-work”, you can’t play aggressively. Only thing that kinda works is attacking around corners, but that’s a bit TOO niche imo. “THE CORNER CREEP™”
Distance-cloak promotes spook-shooting from afar, but… SMGs. Just a mess.

[henki000]

It’s not completely useless, but you need to have everyone saw me approach when cloaked. It’s better than before (last update and before that), but it cant stay like this either. He is somewhat underpowered, but maybe we all should ponder twice and sleep over with this. This is tragic if he will be left in this condition.

Every day, hour and minute. Phantoms all around the world rally together. Weapons only their wisdom and decisiveness. They fight for what is right. Their invisibility is their invincibility. Behold the great Katana, forbidden magical artifact. One shall crawl from hidden and be praised in light.

[Brycko]

@l2c said:
I don’t get the range-dependent stealth at all, why would I cloak if I’m across the map from enemies? Cloak is so you can get close, not hide in the back.
Playing earlier, ~everyone saw me, it’s real hard to be useful now. You can’t play like pre-“re-work”, you can’t play aggressively. Only thing that kinda works is attacking around corners, but that’s a bit TOO niche imo. “THE CORNER CREEP™”
Distance-cloak promotes spook-shooting from afar, but… SMGs. Just a mess.

The distance dependant cloak visibility helps him become more of a flanker and promotes gunplay. It makes him less cheesy for lower skilled players because instead of just running headfirst into enemy gunfire and slicing away with the Katana you actually have to get behind them to slice with the Katana or SMG them to death.

Spook shooting from afar isn’t that bad with the SMG’s, you just have to learn how to actually aim with his weapons and get headshots. Plus he has the heavy pistol sidearms, if you really don’t like the SMGs.

[l2c]

If you use your cloak for elaborate long flanks, it’ll be gone when you get there.
Now you might be some ace that kills entire groups by headshotting everyone from behind before they notice you, but I’d argue if that is the case, you don’t need Phantom’s cloak to flank.
If Phantom is supposed to be a flanker, he needs better tools when he arrives, sans cloak. Being behind isn’t enough. It might work if he gets silencers whenever that arrives (soon amirite), but that ain’t now. Now you have a close range sword and a loud smg.
If sick aim is required to be even adequate with the stealthed katana-wielder, I’m out. ANY merc will do great with sick aim, why pick Phantom at all at that point.

[Gire]

Imo hes cloak is fine when he is running/moving but the fact that people see you even when you are crouching still bugs me

[Mr.Cuddlesworth]

@l2c said:
If you use your cloak for elaborate long flanks, it’ll be gone when you get there.
Now you might be some ace that kills entire groups by headshotting everyone from behind before they notice you, but I’d argue if that is the case, you don’t need Phantom’s cloak to flank.
If Phantom is supposed to be a flanker, he needs better tools when he arrives, sans cloak.

Remburg Phantom >:)

[GatoCommodore]

@Gire said:
Imo hes cloak is fine when he is running/moving but the fact that people see you even when you are crouching still bugs me

gee, its almost like people whining too much and making one merc overnerfed.

[Eox]

If anything Phantom is still heavily affected by your settings as explained in that reddit thread : https://www.reddit.com/r/Dirtybomb/comments/888o2x/phantom_still_is_differently_visible_on_different/

[Splicerrr]

Having an ability that renders you invisible will either be underpowered or overpowered. Phantom can be used effectively in the hands of a good player. Of course if you don’t play phantom and just screw around with him, players will be able to see you. In my opinion phantom should just be put into a new merc category as flank, since he doesn’t seem like a recon and cannot spot. We already have front line mercs such as thunder, fragger etc.

[BlackboltLW]

@Splicerrr said:
Having an ability that renders you invisible will either be underpowered or overpowered. Phantom can be used effectively in the hands of a good player. Of course if you don’t play phantom and just @$!# around with him, players will be able to see you. In my opinion phantom should just be put into a new merc category as flank, since he doesn’t seem like a recon and cannot spot. We already have front line mercs such as thunder, fragger etc.

I mean he’s basically a wildcard in Recon category, just like Jav and Guardian.

I would rather describe him as “Disruptor” or “Infiltrator” tbh

[GatoCommodore]

@Splicerrr said:
Having an ability that renders you invisible will either be underpowered or overpowered. Phantom can be used effectively in the hands of a good player. Of course if you don’t play phantom and just @$!# around with him, players will be able to see you. In my opinion phantom should just be put into a new merc category as flank, since he doesn’t seem like a recon and cannot spot. We already have front line mercs such as thunder, fragger etc.

hes hybrid like Javelin, guardian.

Javelin is fire support, but not really, its more like an assault
Guardian is a medic, but not really, its more like an engineer
Phantom is a Recon, but not really, its more like an assault