Opinions on the burst rifles?

(Eox) #21

The BR in the end didn’t change much, but it would be naive to deny the Stark changes.

I think the Stark is borderline OP right now, and this is coming from someone who really wanted the Stark to be buffed before. It’s a nice change, but it simply does too much damage. Revert the mag size and reduce damage by 1, and maybe it’ll be a bit less OP.[/quote]

Don’t the Stark AR just deal three more damage in total than the BR-16 ? It just go up to 108 on headshot instead of 102, which is not such a huge difference IMO. Also Stark AR is supposed to have a bigger delay between shots, but the burst is a bit faster than the BR-16. Knowing this, I’d pick BR-16 over Stark-AR.

(Captain_Forward) #22

I really like them now. Before CW update these 2 ARs were just straight downgrade from auto-fire rifles, and now it’s a viable option, they finally can compete with “older brothers”. Also sound tweak for them is really enjoyable.

(Blackers) #23

I used to use the Stark AR 24/7 in till the CW update, that update really killed it. but since the last update the Stark AR is again usable, takes a little adjusting, but it is certainly better now compared to how it was last update.

I’ve settled back into using the Stark AR, it feels more like how it was prior the CW update, but is still a bit different. I was relentless on here displaying my disapproval of the CW changes, the delay was far too great.

So I am happy now that it is fixed.

(Amerika) #24

[quote=“Blackers;110489”]I used to use the Stark AR 24/7 in till the CW update, that update really killed it. but since the last update the Stark AR is again usable, takes a little adjusting, but it is certainly better now compared to how it was last update.

I’ve settled back into using the Stark AR, it feels more like how it was prior the CW update, but is still a bit different. I was relentless on here displaying my disapproval of the CW changes, the delay was far too great.

So I am happy now that it is fixed.

[/quote]

It’s literally the same as it was but they gave it a few more milliseconds for the input window so it wouldn’t eat an input and be more lenient. It fires at the exact same speed it did after the CW update. I’d wager you’ve just gotten more used to the timing.

(SpinnerzNQ) #25

[quote=“Mister__Wiggles;109129”]@CandySwitch I have 2 gold stark stokers…

http://i.imgur.com/BMcb9i4.gif

[/quote]

I traded up all my golds for a cobalt stark stoker…
But the Stark is growing on me. Landing those headshots usually two shots some of the flimsier mercs. The only thing I hate is the ironsights fill up the majority of your screen and blocks a decent amount of peripheral.
Long story short, burst rifles: deadly in the right hands, “meh” in the wrong

(HoopleDoople) #26

[quote=“Amerika;110574”][quote=“Blackers;110489”]I used to use the Stark AR 24/7 in till the CW update, that update really killed it. but since the last update the Stark AR is again usable, takes a little adjusting, but it is certainly better now compared to how it was last update.

I’ve settled back into using the Stark AR, it feels more like how it was prior the CW update, but is still a bit different. I was relentless on here displaying my disapproval of the CW changes, the delay was far too great.

So I am happy now that it is fixed.

[/quote]

It’s literally the same as it was but they gave it a few more milliseconds for the input window so it wouldn’t eat an input and be more lenient. It fires at the exact same speed it did after the CW update. I’d wager you’ve just gotten more used to the timing.[/quote]

Maybe I’m misunderstanding the forgiveness change, but wouldn’t this allow for increased DPS over the short term? If an early click that would have been eaten before now registers, players can get their second burst in earlier. If this second burst is used as the new baseline each successive burst can also be earlier than it would have before.

As a player who liked and used the BR-16 after the CW update, it certainly feels like they’re way stronger now. Before I used the BR-16 all the time on Arty and situationally on Fragger. Now I use it all the time on both. The M4 just feels outclassed now where before I insisted it was the best overall weapon in the game.

I haven’t actually got around to trying the Stark as I always found the sight annoyingly restrictive. Is there any advantage it has over the BR-16 besides a scope for longer range combat?

(Telzen) #27

The BR in the end didn’t change much, but it would be naive to deny the Stark changes.

I think the Stark is borderline OP right now, and this is coming from someone who really wanted the Stark to be buffed before. It’s a nice change, but it simply does too much damage. Revert the mag size and reduce damage by 1, and maybe it’ll be a bit less OP.[/quote]

I was timing it right already so nothing would change for me. Like I said they are just easier to use, but the stats are still the same.

(MarsRover) #28

Maximum DPS didn’t change. It’s now just way easier to achieve it.

Stark AR is now my new favorite weapon on Stoker. It still takes more skill to use it than M4 but front-loaded damage and the ability to peak-and-shoot shotgun style make it strong.

(Captain_Forward) #29

It is not a scope, there’s no magnification. Just a pipe-shape ironsight with different reticle, and there’s no point of use it. Hipfire all day everyday

(HoopleDoople) #30

It is not a scope, there’s no magnification. Just a pipe-shape ironsight with different reticle, and there’s no point of use it. Hipfire all day everyday[/quote]

Well now I’m really confused. If the Stark’s scope is just an obstruction to vision instead of an actual scope, what is the point of ever using it over the BR-16? That one extra damage per bullet doesn’t appear to have any impact on bullets needed to kill a full health enemy, so the Stark would almost always take longer to kill enemies. Does the Stark just have better loadouts associated with it in some cases?

(Dawnlazy) #31

It is not a scope, there’s no magnification. Just a pipe-shape ironsight with different reticle, and there’s no point of use it. Hipfire all day everyday[/quote]

Well now I’m really confused. If the Stark’s scope is just an obstruction to vision instead of an actual scope, what is the point of ever using it over the BR-16? That one extra damage per bullet doesn’t appear to have any impact on bullets needed to kill a full health enemy, so the Stark would almost always take longer to kill enemies. Does the Stark just have better loadouts associated with it in some cases?[/quote]

The burst itself is also faster so you need to do less tracking to score the 3 hits.

(Captain_Forward) #32

Exactly.

(Amerika) #33

[quote=“HoopleDoople;110661”][quote=“Amerika;110574”][quote=“Blackers;110489”]I used to use the Stark AR 24/7 in till the CW update, that update really killed it. but since the last update the Stark AR is again usable, takes a little adjusting, but it is certainly better now compared to how it was last update.

I’ve settled back into using the Stark AR, it feels more like how it was prior the CW update, but is still a bit different. I was relentless on here displaying my disapproval of the CW changes, the delay was far too great.

So I am happy now that it is fixed.

[/quote]

It’s literally the same as it was but they gave it a few more milliseconds for the input window so it wouldn’t eat an input and be more lenient. It fires at the exact same speed it did after the CW update. I’d wager you’ve just gotten more used to the timing.[/quote]

Maybe I’m misunderstanding the forgiveness change, but wouldn’t this allow for increased DPS over the short term? If an early click that would have been eaten before now registers, players can get their second burst in earlier. If this second burst is used as the new baseline each successive burst can also be earlier than it would have before.

As a player who liked and used the BR-16 after the CW update, it certainly feels like they’re way stronger now. Before I used the BR-16 all the time on Arty and situationally on Fragger. Now I use it all the time on both. The M4 just feels outclassed now where before I insisted it was the best overall weapon in the game.

I haven’t actually got around to trying the Stark as I always found the sight annoyingly restrictive. Is there any advantage it has over the BR-16 besides a scope for longer range combat?[/quote]

What happens is they gave more time for an input window. Previously you could fire a burst then click slightly too early and the next burst wouldn’t come out because the input window was shorter. The change was to make this window a bit bigger making it less likely that you screwed up your burst timing while trying to achieve max RoF. It’s not easier to achieve max RoF and not get inputs eaten as MarsRover mentioned.

The Stark does 1 more damage per bullet on the body than the BR. However, it has 3 less ammo per mag and has the giant pringles can of annoyingness. Those are the main functional differences though there are other minor differences as well. I have gotten used to it and I’ve even learned to ADS it in a lot of situations and score multiple headshots at a lot of ranges. But it’s still very restrictive in regards to view so you have to use it sparingly.