Not sure what you mean with “when a comp is going”, but I’m talking about the matchmaking system. This will be the place to go to practice under realistic conditions, so I don’t see any reason to split casual up further into FF and no-FF.
Casual and friendly fire don’t really match anyway. Friendly fire makes the game distinctly less casual, since you have to pay more attention and the chances to ruin the game for your teammates are much higher.
not sure when this idea popped up into FPS, but previous SD titles always favored FFon and it was fine. Even incredibly spammy game like ETQW, with multiple netcode issues would not see people have more than 3-4 TKs for the highest-tk player on the server.
Bottom line is that running into airstrikes, not being able to blow people up by shooting a mine they are standing on, sitting inside of a flaming inferno from a molotov’s grenade, etc. etc. etc. are little ridiculous; and def. destroy immersion. Simply makes the game spammy.
Not to mention how much more tactics are involved when you can’t just spam a choke with a bunch of people, and shoot through each other to get at the enemy. suddenly positioning is actually relevant in this game
I really hope it will be on on competitive matches !
This game is designed for FF, just like it was in ET & ETQW !
I’ve been saying this for atleast a year, hopefully FF can be turned on for competitive matches
The game has way to much explosives to have a ff.
think about how much you will rage if you would play skyhammer and some retard would run to your airstrike and get you kicked for it.if you want a slow fps with ff play counter strike or something ff dosent work in a fast paced fps.
FF would slow the game down significantly, I’m not entirely sure that Splash wants that.
for those, who is not around here since some time:
several monthes ago there was a 1 week with FF on. and it was a freaking awesome time!
I also don’t think it slows down the game. It just makes it less of the constant cluster!@#$ that we see now on chokes. Finally maps & spots will see some use, rather than be just one big arena for everyone to throw themselves at
Wolfenstein & ETQW were both faster than Dirty bomb and FF was always ON, and people just didn’t run like retard into their ally airstrike
Few servers with FF ON would be pretty awesome. But i can already see all those spam happy skyhammers and fraggers blowing me up every time i’m trying to push…
Who uses matchmaking? Use the damn server browser! As amusing as it is to be in a Australian serve rand have these bewildered euro’s and east coast guys wandering around complaining about matchmaking and a laggy bad game it would all be fixed if they just used a server browser, sorted by ping, and played at home.
I dont get those who come in here saying DB wont work with FF enabled. ET and QW always had FF on and it just was never an issue. So where are these people coming from to base their appraisal? If its not ET or QW then it just isn’t valid. In my opinion.
V_says will become more meaningful with call outs like “fire in the hole” actually meaning something u need to pay attention to - because if u dont ur prob going to get a face of arty. (never liked the auto v_say thing “im arming dyno”!! “im healing” “im tossing a nade”" etc. IF i want my team to know something i am perfectly capable of doing my own V_say.
Just more dumbing down. Turning FF on is just one step back away for what is now essentially a dumbed down slower cousin to ET and QW. We need to make more steps in the right direction.
there would obviously be a period where those not used to FF on will do stupid stuff like ignore teammate airstrike placement warnings and fail to move. Likewise those placing airstrikes will do so with no regard to if there are teammates there. These are just new or unskilled players. The mess up all the time so of course they will mess up with FF.
There is no solution to bad players being bad. Unskilled (or new) players can at least prac and gain stills. Bad players simply get kicked of FF servers by messing up badly and will find their place in the training wheel servers with FF disabled. Natural selection.
For those who are not just bad - who are just not used to a FPS that takes skill over spam dont worry: those sorts of hiccups are normal while folks adjust to FF enabled but with a little awareness and education (kicked for team damaged or vote kicked for being an ass who wanders into teammates FF) you will be surprised how fast people learn.
ET and QW are from a different era… Many things have changed, and some of them for the better. The casual/competitive split that most modern games offer is very sensible and saves both types of players a lot of grief. Also server browsers are rarely used anymore other than for special circumstances. Ideally, it would never be required.
Of course FF will work with this game, but I do believe it’s better to limit it to competitive servers and leave casuals alone. Think of this as choosing to play on an ETPro server vs. ETMain.
No problem about FF servers. 5v5 is small area:player ratio so with decent comms you can avoid hurting your teammates in competitive.
Only problem I have is that in CoD people would walk into my killstreaks purposely to get me kicked.
One simple reason server browsers are not used: console kiddie generation didn’t grow up using them. That does not make match making better. It is a fact matchmaking is for chumps. The sooner the DB community stops trying to play DB like CoD the better.
If you have servers that run FF in the server browser list make it so you can see its enabled. If someone is foolishly using matchmaking there should be a filter where u have to select if u want it enabled or disabled - in fact the server filters in game atm are really bareboned there needs to be improvement there.
You might freak out over this but just normal players (ie. not those wanting to play comp at high levels) also want FF enabled. Amazing hey.
You want DB to be “another” CoD clone? Why? To get more kids in game? Guess what - you wont “capture” the CoD crowd - thats what CoD is for. Million dollar budgets and a yearly releases. The reverse argument “u want DB to be like ET” works because there is no ET on the market atm. So which crowd is actively looking for a new game to play - the ET crowd (smaller but will play) or the CoD crowd (huge but wont play). Its pretty simple who the Devs should be looking to.
Alright, if you want to waste our time with that elitism… Splash Damage aren’t idiots, they know what is required from a modern game. It has nothing to do with CoD, even Quake Live does automatic matchmaking. Server browsers are fine as a fallback and for custom games, but matchmaking is where it’s at for the vast majority of players (including old farts like me, who are from the generation which still had to enter server IPs manually).
Do please continue to complain about match making and how match making settings are not working or wont work or how you are worried how some change to the game will effect match making.