New RAD Soldiers Update Adds In-Game Chat and More!

(Ciakgb) #21

I’ve played you all…watch out for Mitsid:)

Surprised Supernge didn’t play, not sure he on the forums, but he’s the best player I faced this year.

(KINONEZ21) #22

Mitsid is really good! I’ve only played him a couple of times and only managed to get this one tie, he won all the others!! Plus he has a preety intresting strategy!

(Mitsid) #23

[QUOTE=Ciakgb;455560]I’ve played you all…watch out for Mitsid:)

Surprised Supernge didn’t play, not sure he on the forums, but he’s the best player I faced this year.[/QUOTE] I agree Supernge is the best I ever played with. I asked why he did not play the cup. He told me, he does not like the idea of 20p. cup. So I hope next time we play the tournament it will be 26 point game. In my opinion only the player who defeats Supernge in 26 point game may be called a real champion.

(KINONEZ21) #24

It would be a good idea to have a 26 point tournament, we could se who is the best in every category… Never played Supernge either xD but has two great references od some of the strongest players I know :stuck_out_tongue:

(Ciakgb) #25

He’s what I would call a one toon player–you are playing to kill one of his toons so you are not totally embarassed.

20 pt is a hell of a lot better than the 14 people wanted, but yes the tourney structure Needs ALOT of work for next time.

(Mitsid) #26

[QUOTE=Ciakgb;455599]He’s what I would call a one toon player–you are playing to kill one of his toons so you are not totally embarassed.

20 pt is a hell of a lot better than the 14 people wanted, but yes the tourney structure Needs ALOT of work for next time.[/QUOTE]
People wanted??? You mean weak players wanted? Of course for them the less points the better! Come on!!! The real game starts at 26 points! Let us not lie to our selves. Supernge is the best for now. I am really sorry I had to participate in that stuff called World Cup.But, ciakgb we both know that without Supernge in that tournament it means nothing. Sorry I had to write that…

(Sandman77) #27

Kin won our matches… Was alot of fun. :slight_smile: I do think he won deserved and that our first game was more challenging then the 2nd. I made to many mistakes on both games to actually win…

I dont have a real strategy really :wink: Of course im in a Dave “phase” now =:P Ive barely lost any games with him/them! =:P

(Ciakgb) #28

If you read the posts there was extensive arguing about the tourney to the point where it was unsure to even happen. I asked badman to step in and just make some decisions.

Paul pretty much decided stuff, which is fine, at least it’s getting played. I would have liked to seen a lot of different things, but I’m glad like there wasn’t a ban on multiple units which a lot of folks argued hard for,

As for the tourney meaning nothing w.o Supernge, I think that’s taking it a little far. As woody Allen said 90% of life is showing up…

(Hundopercent) #29

Really? It seems like 26p is just a 1 hit kill imo. You would have to play so passive. =/ I’ll add him to friends and see if he’s really that good. :slight_smile:

(KINONEZ21) #30

[QUOTE=Ciakgb;455704]If you read the posts there was extensive arguing about the tourney to the point where it was unsure to even happen. I asked badman to step in and just make some decisions.

Paul pretty much decided stuff, which is fine, at least it’s getting played. I would have liked to seen a lot of different things, but I’m glad like there wasn’t a ban on multiple units which a lot of folks argued hard for,

As for the tourney meaning nothing w.o Supernge, I think that’s taking it a little far. As woody Allen said 90% of life is showing up…[/QUOTE]

I agree with you Ciakgb! Even though, I don’t use copies of the same unit myself, I think anyone should be allowed to use which ever team he or she feels the most comfortable with! This way you get to play against each player’s best team! Just imagine you without your Megan army, or Sandman without his Daves… It wouldn’t be the same :stuck_out_tongue:

(Mitsid) #31

[QUOTE=Ciakgb;455704]If you read the posts there was extensive arguing about the tourney to the point where it was unsure to even happen. I asked badman to step in and just make some decisions.

Paul pretty much decided stuff, which is fine, at least it’s getting played. I would have liked to seen a lot of different things, but I’m glad like there wasn’t a ban on multiple units which a lot of folks argued hard for,

As for the tourney meaning nothing w.o Supernge, I think that’s taking it a little far. As woody Allen said 90% of life is showing up…[/QUOTE] May be I did not make myself very clear. I am very grateful to Paul and others envolved for holding this championship. Paul is doing great job. But can you imagine World soccer cup without Brazil? Same here. Who ever wins it, he still can not be called the strongest player.

(Armedmanus) #32

A good player isn’t someone that can find a team that’s hard to beat… But someone that can win with any unit combination.
I see too many players playing the same team over and over again and consider themselves great. You should be able to win with any unit combination.

I think tournaments need rules and structure in order to find the best players and for it to be fair. Someone playing with 4 Dave’s and taking a unit out quickly with 4 grenades doesn’t take that much strategy. Or having many Megan’s and many mines everywhere. That’s just trying to find an easy way to win.
Chess wouldn’t be a good game if one person had 5 queens and their opponent only had 1. What makes chess challenging is starting with the same units and being able to build many strategies with what you have.

(KINONEZ21) #33

I understand your point, but if there was a player that had multiple units of the same toon, lets say Juan it would still require strategy to beat your opponent. Different players would use the same squad in different ways, that’s where strategy comes in. Choosing your squad is part of that strategy. If a player with no strategy and poor skill plays against another who has, will not win regardless of the toons he uses.

We could however propose a fix tournament, with fix toons on certain maps so all toons are used, but this would mean that no new players could participate, since you would have to own every toon. Not even I have every single toon. (Never bought a Carlito) these type of tournaments would be intresting though. We could determine who is better using his own toons, and who is better at using any toon.

(Armedmanus) #34

well new players are still in a disadvantage if they have to go against players that have multiples of the same toons when they can’t do the same.
And yes I agree with you that if we both match up using the same multiple toon then that would be fun to see who can win with that combination. But usually people don’t plan ahead with their opponent to match their toons up.

I actually had an idea for a fun way of playing the game and could turn into a tournament down the road. My idea was 3-5 matches, you can only play a toon once in all the matches (apart from the captain obviously) and each map is different. I thought this would be so neat since you would have to pre pick all of your squads and balance them out well.

If someone wants to try something like that out with me, let me know :slight_smile:

(Ciakgb) #35

First off, I never used all meagan squad in this tourney (yet). Second your chess analogy is terrible. I make my money playing, writing, and teaching chess. The best part of the game to me is that it allows so many styles. Sure the pieces are the same (although not after a few pawns get over to the far side) but you can sacrifice in ways that quickly make the positions unbalanced. The army’s are only the same at the start!

Now constructively, I’ve always wanted random maps, would enjoy random squads (especially if they could make them work out to the total squad point available) and even random abilities…it is a true test of skill. You have to find me a way to determine in a tourney that someone actually selected all these random modes…

The pinnancle to me is simple random map–you then have to select a squad that would give u a chance to win at BOTH favella and old town. If you went crazy with one toon, say meagan, old town would eat you alive. If you went “Team Chump” with all Juan’s, favella would be a nightmare.

Finally Arm, you say you want as many combinations as possible, but your restriction on “clone units” (hate that term) really puts a damper on the permutations. “Choosing your squad is part of that strategy” said Kinonez, and is absolutely right. AT LEAST half the fun of Rad Soldiers is picking out the right squad for the right opponent, map and situation. Your rules really are just self serving if you want to limit the squads you face to just what you think is fair.

Oh, and Sandman lost with all his Daves:)

(Armedmanus) #36

And that was my main point… the army’s are the same at the start…

My idea for many combinations was just an idea that I thought would be fun to try. I didn’t say this was the best way to play (I Haven’t even tried it myself) or that tournaments should be like this. :slight_smile:

And it can be fun choosing your squad with restrictions :slight_smile: Everyone has restrictions by what toons they currently have… what’s the difference when you just restrict it a bit more? None really…

(KINONEZ21) #37

Armedmanus I would like to test your idea after the tourney, you could even organize a tournament yourself, make a new thread and find out if anyone else is intrested.

Ciakgb, the same goes for you, personally I am open to try anything you guys throw at me! “I have never used all Megan squad in this tourney (yet)” don’t know why found that hilarious xD

(Ciakgb) #38

Kin, you found it hilarious because it was directed at you:). Arm I hate to be so defensive, but running a bunch of 200 hp Meagan’s actually takes quite a bit of skill. Mines are very difficult to do with any kind of subtlety 'cause of the movement tick. If you go second, you can’t really beat the other guy to choke points. All her weapons require her to get right up in your grill.

Plus say you just limited to one per toon. You could still “team chump” with Madame, Juan, Pete, and Tito! You could still all medic, etc.

Now if u did it, one type of toon would be interesting (one medic, one sniper, one gun, and one engineer) you would eliminate 6 toon altogether. So I guess u get to pick one class to double up on, but only if you six toon ( in other words once you have one of each squad, you can have two).

You see how complicated it gets…I think in general it’s better to do a tourney as clse as possible to how the game is actually played on a day to day basis. I wish they had what we had on FICS and ICC-- chess servers-- a tourney bot that ran different types of tourneys 24/7.

If you really want to trash THIS tourney, I would say the maps are a little random and zero thought was given to the advantages of going first. I for example hate to admit this, but I was able to game the system into 4 straight home team wins at Favella to start. Not cheating, but definitely taking full advantage of the rules as constructed.

(Ciakgb) #39

Oh, and I hate the brackets. I was for Swiss system before tourney, but people probably didn’t follow that. I do live in a non football country, or should I say we r wimpy and need pads, so maybe that’s part of y I hate it

(Kaakufuor) #40

Hi all, I’ve been following the tournament and I think it’s great the way u lot have been discussing and finding ways to improve it. I didn’t take part cos honestly Iam terrible when it comes to 20 point games. Looking forward to the 26pt tourney.

#teamchump #teamwaterpump