new burst rifles


(watsyurdeal) #41

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If you think damage means rof you weren’t using the Dreiss very well, it’s all about them headshots and careful tap firing, not spraying, you spray with SMGs, not Rifles.[/quote]

I thought it was obvious that I meant DPS by damage.
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No I mean that RoF doesn’t neccessarly mean everything, the Dreiss recieved a nerf in RoF yes but it sure as hell doesn’t suffer from it. You were never meant to spam it to begin with, good shot placement has always been the proper way to use the Dreiss. If you were iron sighting with it and spamming shots, you were doing it wrong, sorry.[/quote]

Why are you even using the Dreiss then? I mean, what advantages could it possibly give its user if it can’t outdamage anything? High DPS was the only thing the gun had going on for it, right now the combination of sluggish fire rate, terrible hipfire accuracy and mediocre DPS make it one of the worst primaries in the game, it’s essentially the Blishlock of rifles.[/quote]

20 shot clip
50 damage per headshot
More accuracy actually than the revolvers, so your strat of using just the Revolver is a terrible idea

And it’s accuracy is definitely not terrible, if I can hit someone in the head no problem with hipfire from medium range then maybe the problem is the player and not the weapon.

Saying the gun is terrible because it doesn’t fire as fast is a pretty terrible argument, because AGAIN if you were spamming it to begin with you’re using it wrong.[/quote]

The maximum spread and rate at which it increases are both actually very similar to the revolver. Wow, you can tapfire and deal 52 damage in a headshot. And then die because you just got out-DPSed by any other primary (assuming equal skill level between both players). High damage per bullet is meaningless when in the long run you can’t actually outdamage anything. Statistically it pretty much is a revolver with more bullets and more range before damage drop off kick in.[/quote]

And that is where your argument crumbles I’m afraid, DPS assumes that both players are nailing 100% of their shots, and aiming call of duty style due to spread. But that doesn’t happen, this game is about 80% hipfire. And if you tried to spam it all the bloom is going to knock your shots all over the place BUT your target. So, your only option is to fire from the hip and tap your shots, plain and simple.

And the Dreiss and the Revolver aren’t comparable because they’re not even on the same mercs. None of the mercs that have access to the Dreiss can use a Revolver with it, you get the pistols instead. You’re arguing pure math here which has very little to do in reality with how people ACTUALLY play.


(god1) #42

No it’s not. You’re stating your own inefficient playstyle as the absolute only way and you’re wrong in that.


(Dawnlazy) #43

[quote=“Watsyurdeal;111762”][quote=“Dawnrazor;111751”][quote=“Watsyurdeal;111746”][quote=“Dawnrazor;111733”][quote=“Watsyurdeal;111714”][quote=“god1;111702”][quote=“Watsyurdeal;111613”]
If you think damage means rof you weren’t using the Dreiss very well, it’s all about them headshots and careful tap firing, not spraying, you spray with SMGs, not Rifles.[/quote]

I thought it was obvious that I meant DPS by damage.
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No I mean that RoF doesn’t neccessarly mean everything, the Dreiss recieved a nerf in RoF yes but it sure as hell doesn’t suffer from it. You were never meant to spam it to begin with, good shot placement has always been the proper way to use the Dreiss. If you were iron sighting with it and spamming shots, you were doing it wrong, sorry.[/quote]

Why are you even using the Dreiss then? I mean, what advantages could it possibly give its user if it can’t outdamage anything? High DPS was the only thing the gun had going on for it, right now the combination of sluggish fire rate, terrible hipfire accuracy and mediocre DPS make it one of the worst primaries in the game, it’s essentially the Blishlock of rifles.[/quote]

20 shot clip
50 damage per headshot
More accuracy actually than the revolvers, so your strat of using just the Revolver is a terrible idea

And it’s accuracy is definitely not terrible, if I can hit someone in the head no problem with hipfire from medium range then maybe the problem is the player and not the weapon.

Saying the gun is terrible because it doesn’t fire as fast is a pretty terrible argument, because AGAIN if you were spamming it to begin with you’re using it wrong.[/quote]

The maximum spread and rate at which it increases are both actually very similar to the revolver. Wow, you can tapfire and deal 52 damage in a headshot. And then die because you just got out-DPSed by any other primary (assuming equal skill level between both players). High damage per bullet is meaningless when in the long run you can’t actually outdamage anything. Statistically it pretty much is a revolver with more bullets and more range before damage drop off kick in.[/quote]

And that is where your argument crumbles I’m afraid, DPS assumes that both players are nailing 100% of their shots, and aiming call of duty style due to spread.[/quote]

Uh no I specifically said assuming equal skill level. If both players are hitting a similar % of shots the Dreiss will never beat anything unless you fire it at top speed. And what does it matter if no Dreiss mercs have revolvers? It’s a pretty valid comparison. They have the same firerate, do very similar damage per bullet and spread a lot when hipfired, and the revolvers are pretty much trash when it comes to sidearms mind you, light pistols and machine pistols are way better just like how any other assault rifle is superior to the current state of the Dreiss.


(Gung-ho) #44

I’m actually really digging the Stark at the moment; the BR-16 not so much. In fact I would say the BR-16 is a pretty terrible choice at the moment. I recorded a stopwatch match using the Stark more or less for the first half and the Blishlok the second (Stoker switched to Fletcher). I’ll probably get that uploaded in a few days because it will likely take a day to upload (stupid Australian internet/upload speeds).

I feel the BR-16 has no place - the Stark is clearly the better burst weapon and is actually competitive with the M4 and other weapons. When using the Stark I can feel its strengths and weaknesses; when using the BR-16 I get no sense of strength or weakness but I do know I would rather be using a different weapon.


(Amerika) #45

[quote=“Gung-ho;112063”]I’m actually really digging the Stark at the moment; the BR-16 not so much. In fact I would say the BR-16 is a pretty terrible choice at the moment. I recorded a stopwatch match using the Stark more or less for the first half and the Blishlok the second (Stoker switched to Fletcher). I’ll probably get that uploaded in a few days because it will likely take a day to upload (stupid Australian internet/upload speeds).

I feel the BR-16 has no place - the Stark is clearly the better burst weapon and is actually competitive with the M4 and other weapons. When using the Stark I can feel its strengths and weaknesses; when using the BR-16 I get no sense of strength or weakness but I do know I would rather be using a different weapon.[/quote]

They are almost exactly the same gun outside of trading 3 damage per burst with 3 more ammo per mag. I switch between the two and barely notice a difference other than I like that the BR16 has a bit more ammo to throw around. So I think some of this is in your head :slight_smile: