How is 60 RPM small? Plus the weapon was clearly meant for heavy ADS use. Just ask anyone who dropped the weapon after that patch, you’d aim down sights and fire at top speed constantly since the only thing it had going on for it was high DPS. Do you really not think there is a real reason why so many people switched to the BR-16 shortly after the patch?[/quote]
If you did that you didn’t hit anything. It’s that simple. You didn’t fire at max RoF unless you wanted to miss a lot. You keep looking at the numbers and not at the reality of how the game works.[/quote]
No I mean you aim down sights and then fire at top speed.[/quote]
That’s not even that great of a strat imo
If you fire from the hip and nail 3 headshots, just 3, that’s 150 damage, enough to kill Fragger, 2 shots are enough to kill Phoenix.
In all my time using the Dreiss I’ve never spammed the thing, I literally just go for headshots.
How is 60 RPM small? Plus the weapon was clearly meant for heavy ADS use. Just ask anyone who dropped the weapon after that patch, you’d aim down sights and fire at top speed constantly since the only thing it had going on for it was high DPS. Do you really not think there is a real reason why so many people switched to the BR-16 shortly after the patch?[/quote]
If you did that you didn’t hit anything. It’s that simple. You didn’t fire at max RoF unless you wanted to miss a lot. You keep looking at the numbers and not at the reality of how the game works.[/quote]
No I mean you aim down sights and then fire at top speed.[/quote]
I know this. The recoil at most ranges (and the viewkick) when ADS’ing and firing at most ranges beyond close made it impossible to hit anything with if you just went ham with clicking. That’s the point I’ve been trying to make. You obviously never go crazy while hipfiring pre or post change. But you don’t have to worry as much now about controlling your firing in most situations while ADS’ing now because it was limited. So it’s a little more newbie friendly at the cost of a bit of rate of fire that wasn’t practical in the first place in most situations.
How is 60 RPM small? Plus the weapon was clearly meant for heavy ADS use. Just ask anyone who dropped the weapon after that patch, you’d aim down sights and fire at top speed constantly since the only thing it had going on for it was high DPS. Do you really not think there is a real reason why so many people switched to the BR-16 shortly after the patch?[/quote]
If you did that you didn’t hit anything. It’s that simple. You didn’t fire at max RoF unless you wanted to miss a lot. You keep looking at the numbers and not at the reality of how the game works.[/quote]
No I mean you aim down sights and then fire at top speed.[/quote]
That’s not even that great of a strat imo
If you fire from the hip and nail 3 headshots, just 3, that’s 150 damage, enough to kill Fragger, 2 shots are enough to kill Phoenix.
In all my time using the Dreiss I’ve never spammed the thing, I literally just go for headshots.
[/quote]
But then you might as well be playing revolver only Phantom or whatever since from the hip the Dreiss is just a ranged pistol.
How is 60 RPM small? Plus the weapon was clearly meant for heavy ADS use. Just ask anyone who dropped the weapon after that patch, you’d aim down sights and fire at top speed constantly since the only thing it had going on for it was high DPS. Do you really not think there is a real reason why so many people switched to the BR-16 shortly after the patch?[/quote]
If you did that you didn’t hit anything. It’s that simple. You didn’t fire at max RoF unless you wanted to miss a lot. You keep looking at the numbers and not at the reality of how the game works.[/quote]
No I mean you aim down sights and then fire at top speed.[/quote]
I know this. The recoil at most ranges (and the viewkick) when ADS’ing and firing at most ranges beyond close made it impossible to hit anything with if you just went ham with clicking. That’s the point I’ve been trying to make. You obviously never go crazy while hipfiring pre or post change. But you don’t have to worry as much now about controlling your firing in most situations while ADS’ing now because it was limited. So it’s a little more newbie friendly at the cost of a bit of rate of fire that wasn’t practical in the first place in most situations.[/quote]
I really don’t think so at all, recoil isn’t the sweetest like the M4 but it surely isn’t that bad either. Tell me this: do you really think there is no serious reason why everyone immediately stopped using the Dreiss after the nerf? How many Dreiss users have you ever seen in comp since then? There were a few before, not many, but now they are about as rare in comp as Timik Skyhammers.
It’s better now, maybe not as good as it was before the CW update, but atleast it is usable again. I’m doing alright with the Stark AR, just leave it where it is now, it is fine. let people adjust to it and leave it be. it should never have been touched in the first place in my opinion.
How is 60 RPM small? Plus the weapon was clearly meant for heavy ADS use. Just ask anyone who dropped the weapon after that patch, you’d aim down sights and fire at top speed constantly since the only thing it had going on for it was high DPS. Do you really not think there is a real reason why so many people switched to the BR-16 shortly after the patch?[/quote]
If you did that you didn’t hit anything. It’s that simple. You didn’t fire at max RoF unless you wanted to miss a lot. You keep looking at the numbers and not at the reality of how the game works.[/quote]
No I mean you aim down sights and then fire at top speed.[/quote]
That’s not even that great of a strat imo
If you fire from the hip and nail 3 headshots, just 3, that’s 150 damage, enough to kill Fragger, 2 shots are enough to kill Phoenix.
In all my time using the Dreiss I’ve never spammed the thing, I literally just go for headshots.
[/quote]
But then you might as well be playing revolver only Phantom or whatever since from the hip the Dreiss is just a ranged pistol.
How is 60 RPM small? Plus the weapon was clearly meant for heavy ADS use. Just ask anyone who dropped the weapon after that patch, you’d aim down sights and fire at top speed constantly since the only thing it had going on for it was high DPS. Do you really not think there is a real reason why so many people switched to the BR-16 shortly after the patch?[/quote]
If you did that you didn’t hit anything. It’s that simple. You didn’t fire at max RoF unless you wanted to miss a lot. You keep looking at the numbers and not at the reality of how the game works.[/quote]
No I mean you aim down sights and then fire at top speed.[/quote]
I know this. The recoil at most ranges (and the viewkick) when ADS’ing and firing at most ranges beyond close made it impossible to hit anything with if you just went ham with clicking. That’s the point I’ve been trying to make. You obviously never go crazy while hipfiring pre or post change. But you don’t have to worry as much now about controlling your firing in most situations while ADS’ing now because it was limited. So it’s a little more newbie friendly at the cost of a bit of rate of fire that wasn’t practical in the first place in most situations.[/quote]
I really don’t think so at all, recoil isn’t the sweetest like the M4 but it surely isn’t that bad either. Tell me this: do you really think there is no serious reason why everyone immediately stopped using the Dreiss after the nerf? How many Dreiss users have you ever seen in comp since then? There were a few before, not many, but now they are about as rare in comp as Timik Skyhammers.[/quote]
What is your source of information that “everyone stopped using the Dreiss after the nerf”. I see it all the time in pubs, DBN cup games and pugs. Where are you getting your numbers from?
Also, a lot of people like yourself, much like the people who claim the Crotzni is “trash” now, saw a nerf and can’t get over it. They switched because it was nerfed without thinking of what was actually changed and how it affected them.
You never fired the Dreiss at max RoF. You just didn’t. And in that time it’s been made more accurate too. So exactly how have things changed in regards to using the Dreiss effectively compared to the placebo effect of “omg this was nerfed it’s trash now”. This is very similar to a lot of people who think the burst rifles were recently nerfed too. They act as if they could fire them at max RoF (nobody could without a macro) and if they did macro it they acted as if they could control it (gl without anti-recoil scripts).
Get over the number changes and think about what was actually changed and how it worked. I love stats but I also know when stats don’t factor in key things.
How is 60 RPM small? Plus the weapon was clearly meant for heavy ADS use. Just ask anyone who dropped the weapon after that patch, you’d aim down sights and fire at top speed constantly since the only thing it had going on for it was high DPS. Do you really not think there is a real reason why so many people switched to the BR-16 shortly after the patch?[/quote]
If you did that you didn’t hit anything. It’s that simple. You didn’t fire at max RoF unless you wanted to miss a lot. You keep looking at the numbers and not at the reality of how the game works.[/quote]
No I mean you aim down sights and then fire at top speed.[/quote]
That’s not even that great of a strat imo
If you fire from the hip and nail 3 headshots, just 3, that’s 150 damage, enough to kill Fragger, 2 shots are enough to kill Phoenix.
In all my time using the Dreiss I’ve never spammed the thing, I literally just go for headshots.
[/quote]
But then you might as well be playing revolver only Phantom or whatever since from the hip the Dreiss is just a ranged pistol.
How is 60 RPM small? Plus the weapon was clearly meant for heavy ADS use. Just ask anyone who dropped the weapon after that patch, you’d aim down sights and fire at top speed constantly since the only thing it had going on for it was high DPS. Do you really not think there is a real reason why so many people switched to the BR-16 shortly after the patch?[/quote]
If you did that you didn’t hit anything. It’s that simple. You didn’t fire at max RoF unless you wanted to miss a lot. You keep looking at the numbers and not at the reality of how the game works.[/quote]
No I mean you aim down sights and then fire at top speed.[/quote]
I know this. The recoil at most ranges (and the viewkick) when ADS’ing and firing at most ranges beyond close made it impossible to hit anything with if you just went ham with clicking. That’s the point I’ve been trying to make. You obviously never go crazy while hipfiring pre or post change. But you don’t have to worry as much now about controlling your firing in most situations while ADS’ing now because it was limited. So it’s a little more newbie friendly at the cost of a bit of rate of fire that wasn’t practical in the first place in most situations.[/quote]
I really don’t think so at all, recoil isn’t the sweetest like the M4 but it surely isn’t that bad either. Tell me this: do you really think there is no serious reason why everyone immediately stopped using the Dreiss after the nerf? How many Dreiss users have you ever seen in comp since then? There were a few before, not many, but now they are about as rare in comp as Timik Skyhammers.[/quote]
What is your source of information that “everyone stopped using the Dreiss after the nerf”. I see it all the time in pubs, DBN cup games and pugs. Where are you getting your numbers from?[/quote]
I have seen precisely 2 Stark users in all the DBN PUGs I’ve played, countless BR-16s and 0 Dreiss users with about 2 months of experience in them. Not much, but still. Also never watched a single DBN tournament stream where someone was using a Dreiss.
[quote=“Amerika;110537”]
You never fired the Dreiss at max RoF. You just didn’t. And in that time it’s been made more accurate too. So exactly how have things changed in regards to using the Dreiss effectively compared to the placebo effect of “omg this was nerfed it’s trash now”. This is very similar to a lot of people who think the burst rifles were recently nerfed too. They act as if they could fire them at max RoF (nobody could without a macro) and if they did macro it they acted as if they could control it (gl without anti-recoil scripts).
Get over the number changes and think about what was actually changed and how it worked. I love stats but I also know when stats don’t factor in key things.[/quote]
I sure as hell did and I know other people did as well, I used to be one of the 3 or so people who played Arty well enough to warrant calling him a main. You need to see a doctor if you seriously cannot click fast enough to fire those guns at max RoF.
Now tell me, why would anyone want to use the Dreiss anymore since it’s nothing but a way more awkward to use version of the M4, especially since the gun is tied to the worse field-ops mercs? It used to have damage going for it but now it has absolutely nothing, even these “buffs” to the max spread don’t mean anything in real life because you’ll never reach the max spread unless you’re playing like a complete idiot.
[quote=“god1;111552”][quote=“Amerika;110537”]
You never fired the Dreiss at max RoF. You just didn’t. And in that time it’s been made more accurate too. So exactly how have things changed in regards to using the Dreiss effectively compared to the placebo effect of “omg this was nerfed it’s trash now”. This is very similar to a lot of people who think the burst rifles were recently nerfed too. They act as if they could fire them at max RoF (nobody could without a macro) and if they did macro it they acted as if they could control it (gl without anti-recoil scripts).
Get over the number changes and think about what was actually changed and how it worked. I love stats but I also know when stats don’t factor in key things.[/quote]
I sure as hell did and I know other people did as well, I used to be one of the 3 or so people who played Arty well enough to warrant calling him a main. You need to see a doctor if you seriously cannot click fast enough to fire those guns at max RoF.
Now tell me, why would anyone want to use the Dreiss anymore since it’s nothing but a way more awkward to use version of the M4, especially since the gun is tied to the worse field-ops mercs? It used to have damage going for it but now it has absolutely nothing, even these “buffs” to the max spread don’t mean anything in real life because you’ll never reach the max spread unless you’re playing like a complete idiot.[/quote]
If you think damage means rof you weren’t using the Dreiss very well, it’s all about them headshots and careful tap firing, not spraying, you spray with SMGs, not Rifles.
You should kill in 3 headshots, 2 for anyone who has less than 100 health. And seeing as how you have 20 shots, you should reliably be able to kill at least 3 people with 1 clip assuming you have decent aim. If not you better work on it.
They are not as they were pre CW update, but they feel much more competitive against other guns in the game. Even in CQC situations. I think skilled players won’t be hurt that much if SD decides to keep them as they are today.
[quote=“god1;111552”][quote=“Amerika;110537”]
You never fired the Dreiss at max RoF. You just didn’t. And in that time it’s been made more accurate too. So exactly how have things changed in regards to using the Dreiss effectively compared to the placebo effect of “omg this was nerfed it’s trash now”. This is very similar to a lot of people who think the burst rifles were recently nerfed too. They act as if they could fire them at max RoF (nobody could without a macro) and if they did macro it they acted as if they could control it (gl without anti-recoil scripts).
Get over the number changes and think about what was actually changed and how it worked. I love stats but I also know when stats don’t factor in key things.[/quote]
I sure as hell did and I know other people did as well, I used to be one of the 3 or so people who played Arty well enough to warrant calling him a main. You need to see a doctor if you seriously cannot click fast enough to fire those guns at max RoF.
Now tell me, why would anyone want to use the Dreiss anymore since it’s nothing but a way more awkward to use version of the M4, especially since the gun is tied to the worse field-ops mercs? It used to have damage going for it but now it has absolutely nothing, even these “buffs” to the max spread don’t mean anything in real life because you’ll never reach the max spread unless you’re playing like a complete idiot.[/quote]
I never said you or anybody couldn’t fire them at max RoF at all times. I simply said you shouldn’t if you actually wanted to hit anything in most situations. I cited multiple reasons so you might want to read before you rage post.
Also, why are you comparing the Dreiss to the M4 as if mercs who have access to the Dreiss have access to the M4? You do know what gun we are talking about right?
[quote=“Watsyurdeal;111613”]
If you think damage means rof you weren’t using the Dreiss very well, it’s all about them headshots and careful tap firing, not spraying, you spray with SMGs, not Rifles.[/quote]
I thought it was obvious that I meant DPS by damage.
[quote=“Amerika;111675”]
I never said you or anybody couldn’t fire them at max RoF at all times. I simply said you shouldn’t if you actually wanted to hit anything in most situations. I cited multiple reasons so you might want to read before you rage post.
Also, why are you comparing the Dreiss to the M4 as if mercs who have access to the Dreiss have access to the M4? You do know what gun we are talking about right?[/quote]
Proper usage of iron sights has always been a key part to using those guns to their fullest because it allowed you put out massive amounts of damage while remaining accurate.
I’m comparing it to the M4 because they just happen to be competing for the same slot on a 5-man team but all these balance changes to Arty/Kira have done a pretty good job of making sure nobody ever even considers using them unironically outside of stacking multiple fops for emergency EV downs.
[quote=“god1;111702”][quote=“Watsyurdeal;111613”]
If you think damage means rof you weren’t using the Dreiss very well, it’s all about them headshots and careful tap firing, not spraying, you spray with SMGs, not Rifles.[/quote]
I thought it was obvious that I meant DPS by damage.
[/quote]
No I mean that RoF doesn’t neccessarly mean everything, the Dreiss recieved a nerf in RoF yes but it sure as hell doesn’t suffer from it. You were never meant to spam it to begin with, good shot placement has always been the proper way to use the Dreiss. If you were iron sighting with it and spamming shots, you were doing it wrong, sorry.
[quote=“Watsyurdeal;111714”]
No I mean that RoF doesn’t neccessarly mean everything, the Dreiss recieved a nerf in RoF yes but it sure as hell doesn’t suffer from it. You were never meant to spam it to begin with, good shot placement has always been the proper way to use the Dreiss. If you were iron sighting with it and spamming shots, you were doing it wrong, sorry.[/quote]
What ever you say, big shot.
Please also enlighten me about why I shouldn’t be dealing max damage if I can be accurate with it?
[quote=“Watsyurdeal;111714”][quote=“god1;111702”][quote=“Watsyurdeal;111613”]
If you think damage means rof you weren’t using the Dreiss very well, it’s all about them headshots and careful tap firing, not spraying, you spray with SMGs, not Rifles.[/quote]
I thought it was obvious that I meant DPS by damage.
[/quote]
No I mean that RoF doesn’t neccessarly mean everything, the Dreiss recieved a nerf in RoF yes but it sure as hell doesn’t suffer from it. You were never meant to spam it to begin with, good shot placement has always been the proper way to use the Dreiss. If you were iron sighting with it and spamming shots, you were doing it wrong, sorry.[/quote]
Why are you even using the Dreiss then? I mean, what advantages could it possibly give its user if it can’t outdamage anything? High DPS was the only thing the gun had going on for it, right now the combination of sluggish fire rate, terrible hipfire accuracy and mediocre DPS make it one of the worst primaries in the game, it’s essentially the Blishlock of rifles.
Lol at these arguments being made for the Dreiss/burst rifle nerfs,
“_______ shouldn’t be used this way in the first place according to my own subjective experience, so the nerf is fine”
is what I keep hearing
I watched a video of the old Dreiss in action since I barely used it, and it’s astounding how crippled it became… for absolutely no reason. Wait, the vast majority of people couldn’t make use of a high skill/risk high reward gun, so the massive rof nerf is inconsequential and fine right?
[quote=“Dawnrazor;111733”][quote=“Watsyurdeal;111714”][quote=“god1;111702”][quote=“Watsyurdeal;111613”]
If you think damage means rof you weren’t using the Dreiss very well, it’s all about them headshots and careful tap firing, not spraying, you spray with SMGs, not Rifles.[/quote]
I thought it was obvious that I meant DPS by damage.
[/quote]
No I mean that RoF doesn’t neccessarly mean everything, the Dreiss recieved a nerf in RoF yes but it sure as hell doesn’t suffer from it. You were never meant to spam it to begin with, good shot placement has always been the proper way to use the Dreiss. If you were iron sighting with it and spamming shots, you were doing it wrong, sorry.[/quote]
Why are you even using the Dreiss then? I mean, what advantages could it possibly give its user if it can’t outdamage anything? High DPS was the only thing the gun had going on for it, right now the combination of sluggish fire rate, terrible hipfire accuracy and mediocre DPS make it one of the worst primaries in the game, it’s essentially the Blishlock of rifles.[/quote]
20 shot clip
50 damage per headshot
More accuracy actually than the revolvers, so your strat of using just the Revolver is a terrible idea
And it’s accuracy is definitely not terrible, if I can hit someone in the head no problem with hipfire from medium range then maybe the problem is the player and not the weapon.
Saying the gun is terrible because it doesn’t fire as fast is a pretty terrible argument, because AGAIN if you were spamming it to begin with you’re using it wrong.
[quote=“god1;111720”][quote=“Watsyurdeal;111714”]
No I mean that RoF doesn’t neccessarly mean everything, the Dreiss recieved a nerf in RoF yes but it sure as hell doesn’t suffer from it. You were never meant to spam it to begin with, good shot placement has always been the proper way to use the Dreiss. If you were iron sighting with it and spamming shots, you were doing it wrong, sorry.[/quote]
What ever you say, big shot.
Please also enlighten me about why I shouldn’t be dealing max damage if I can be accurate with it?
[/quote]
Because if you’re spamming the thing the recoil is going to kick you up pretty quick, knocking you off target, so you have to slow down a bit to consistently land headshots.
[quote=“Watsyurdeal;111746”][quote=“Dawnrazor;111733”][quote=“Watsyurdeal;111714”][quote=“god1;111702”][quote=“Watsyurdeal;111613”]
If you think damage means rof you weren’t using the Dreiss very well, it’s all about them headshots and careful tap firing, not spraying, you spray with SMGs, not Rifles.[/quote]
I thought it was obvious that I meant DPS by damage.
[/quote]
No I mean that RoF doesn’t neccessarly mean everything, the Dreiss recieved a nerf in RoF yes but it sure as hell doesn’t suffer from it. You were never meant to spam it to begin with, good shot placement has always been the proper way to use the Dreiss. If you were iron sighting with it and spamming shots, you were doing it wrong, sorry.[/quote]
Why are you even using the Dreiss then? I mean, what advantages could it possibly give its user if it can’t outdamage anything? High DPS was the only thing the gun had going on for it, right now the combination of sluggish fire rate, terrible hipfire accuracy and mediocre DPS make it one of the worst primaries in the game, it’s essentially the Blishlock of rifles.[/quote]
20 shot clip
50 damage per headshot
More accuracy actually than the revolvers, so your strat of using just the Revolver is a terrible idea
And it’s accuracy is definitely not terrible, if I can hit someone in the head no problem with hipfire from medium range then maybe the problem is the player and not the weapon.
Saying the gun is terrible because it doesn’t fire as fast is a pretty terrible argument, because AGAIN if you were spamming it to begin with you’re using it wrong.[/quote]
The maximum spread and rate at which it increases are both actually very similar to the revolver. Wow, you can tapfire and deal 52 damage in a headshot. And then die because you just got out-DPSed by any other primary (assuming equal skill level between both players). High damage per bullet is meaningless when in the long run you can’t actually outdamage anything. Statistically it pretty much is a revolver with more bullets and more range before damage drop off kick in.
Because if you’re spamming the thing the recoil is going to kick you up pretty quick, knocking you off target, so you have to slow down a bit to consistently land headshots.[/quote]
You know you can compensate for the recoil kick.
Or maybe you don’t know.
Or maybe you’re just incapable of doing it.
