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(murka) #21

Oh ye, just because those who are false-banned are a minority we can’t be bothered…

(Senethro) #22

Not just a minority, they barely exist and were “accidental” bans due to some odd modding.

So are there any cases of false positives with unmodded games?

(murka) #23

Ye, like some reports of xfire causing it and some guy testing aimbot on a completely different game when steam was running and not playing any steam game.

(Senethro) #24

I thought that was impossible because VAC didn’t run except when a VAC protected game was running? Is that guy “testing” his aimbot a reliable source?

(murka) #25

Decide for yourself: http://www.sx.brutalcore.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=37&t=205&start=0

(Senethro) #26

What do you think that link shows? He said he interfered with VAC. He got VAC banned.

(Nail) #27

I don’t like having to use Steam authorization to run a game I purchased, with VAC comes mandatory Steam usage. If you’re happy using Steam, good for you, but I don’t appreciate having to open ports not required by the game itself. And where TF did I say VAC scared anyone ?

I still think it should be optional, but it seems the accountants get their way again.

things like this annoy me:
“Furthermore, external websites and companies with links to and from Valve’s online sites and products may collect personal information about users. Valve’s privacy policy does not extend to these external websites and companies.”

(Senethro) #28

All these threads are blurring a little so apologies if theres some crossed wires. Edit: No actually, my reply was aimed at you. If you’re not trying to scare people by saying OMG U WIL B BANED by selecting a one off occurrence of some clumsy programmers making a mod that looked like a cheat, what are you doing?

So do you just not buy games at all anymore or are you just selective in which DRMs are bad?

I still think it should be optional, but it seems the accountants get their way again.

things like this annoy me:
“Furthermore, external websites and companies with links to and from Valve’s online sites and products may collect personal information about users. Valve’s privacy policy does not extend to these external websites and companies.”

Right, so to summarise, Valve’s privacy policy doesn’t cover things that aren’t Valve’s products.

What are you people trying to prove with these scare links and quotes?

(Nail) #29

scare links ??, pull your head out of your buttocks

I never said anyone would be banned, I said there are instances of non cheating that got several thousand people banned for using a legal mod

read the quote again, or get an adult with English comprehension to do it for you
The people that use Steam for advertising also collect all sorts of personal information from Steam and are not obligated to follow Valve’s privacy policy, can you say Yahoo ?

(Senethro) #30

What people who use Steam for advertising? I’ve not seen any adverts from 3rd parties. CS1 might use them though.

Several thousand, can you source that?

(Nail) #31

according to Gabe Newell
“We’re looking at a variety of ways of funding these development projects and it probably benefits us less than other kinds of developers. … I think where advertising-supported projects will be interesting is the degree to which it … [helps broaden] the distribution of games like Red Orchestra. I think that we’re going to start to see games that would struggle to get traditional publisher funding find that advertising is a great way of finding and developing an audience, and that’s why we’re putting the effort to make it possible for people to use Steam to do advertising-supported games.”

(Nail) #32

Paranoia has had 100,000 downloads, but Valve doesn’t release stats on what “cheat” has been detected, they just ban for the opengl.dll

(Senethro) #33

Red Orchestra is a game distributed by Steam but not a game developed by Valve. It will have a completely separate agreement regarding privacy because the advertising done through it will be completely separate from steam.

Thats also Gabe talking about the potential for advertising in individual games, not steam itself. So what?

If 100,000 people had been banned I’m sure we’d know about it. Its unfortunate the mod makers made part of their mod resemble a cheat and somehow activate itself in multiplayer when it shouldn’t but it looks like a lack of testing is at as much fault as VAC mistaking a graphical effect for a wallhack. Be discerning about whos 3rd party code you run and know that beta testers take risks.

(Nail) #34

it’s a graphics update to a very old game, nothing to do with bad coding

read the last line of the quote

(Senethro) #35

A graphics update that does some kind of opengl hook?

The “people” hes referring to are other developers. The “advertising supported games” are the hypothetical ad supported games made by other developers but that won’t be part of Steam. So all you’ll have to do is not purchase that game and you won’t see ads. Even the customers who do purchase that game won’t see ads in steam.

Am I making a grossly unfair reading?

(SockDog) #36

Fear, paranoia and hatred. I suggest everyone just gets laid and we meet back here over a pint to see if this is actually an issue

(LyndonL) #37

Haha gold. Those who have made up their mind are highly unlikely to change though :frowning:

It’s a shame they’re willing to give up on a game that could potentially be GOTY (imo) because of such minor issues :frowning:

(light_sh4v0r) #38

Having to put a lot of effort into being actually able to play the game I find a major issue.

(Senethro) #39

But thats the thing, Steam should be no effort. It installs the game for you and updates it to the current patch. Its even less effort than piracy and successfully got me buying games again.

(.Chris.) #40

But that’s the thing, for some people it doesn’t, I’ve never had problems with steam either but have heard that it does cause problems for others.

Anyway, as long as I can buy a copy from a real store at a fair price and just activate it on steam I’m indifferent about Brink using steam, just hope that they release a demo that can try first though :slight_smile: