Nader Vs Fragger

(ZeroFactor) #1

Looking for a room clearing merc, which one does the job better?

(Mc1412013) #2

I prefer Nader over Fragger. Fragger has one grenade at a time. nader has a nade launcher that launches 5 nades before running out. and nader has the martyrdom that blows up any enemy merc close to u when you are downed. i took more than half a team out once with a martyrdom in execution when they were all grouped in one spot. that was a once in a life time move lol. also nader is better at taking out an ev around 10 nades(never counted really) can take it out but fragger cool down is too long to do it

(Occult) #3

i like nader for fast room clearing but fragger feels more satisfying when you let a cooked grenade off in someones face

(ZeroFactor) #4

So fragger is more focused on killing select targets while nader can “remove” large quantities of enemies at a time? :smiley:

(Mc1412013) #5

Yes if the conditions are right. I’ve taken out 2 or 3 mercs at once a few times

(sneak) #6

Nader has weaker guns than Fragger. Fragger has a stronger nade. They can both be used to take out multiple enemies in succession but I find nader to be more fun. Learn to spare your nades and only shoot as many as necessary, don’t just spam them. There’s alot more learning to do with nader too, if you want to play well. Fragger is pretty easy but slow moving.

For nader I recommend the loadout with the SMG9, M9, beckhill, Bigger Blast, Unshakable, Springy.

(ASTOUNDINGSHELL) #7

@sneak
Not really, Nader is pretty simple and her skill cealing aint that high. you only gotta master nade bouncing, and direct hits and you good.

Frager seems easy due to his firepwoer and high health but trust me that thats 150 hp gets melted veyr quickly and anothe rmisconeption is that fragger has a better nad,e which used to be the case but no longer is.

(sneak) #8

[quote=“astoundingShellfish;147202”]@sneak
Not really, Nader is pretty simple and her skill cealing aint that high. you only gotta master nade bouncing, and direct hits and you good.

Frager seems easy due to his firepwoer and high health but trust me that thats 150 hp gets melted veyr quickly and anothe rmisconeption is that fragger has a better nad,e which used to be the case but no longer is.
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Sorry @astoundingShellfish but that’s wrong. If you aren’t playing competitively with nader and doing well I think you won’t understand. Playing in pubs is super easy because most of the players suck. Go play some GOOD players in pubs or some good comp players and tell me that nader has a low skill ceiling. Learning all the bank shots, trick shots, timing and psychological tricks means there’s alot of work to be done on nader to be strong, especially with the weak primary. This means that spamming your nades hurts you as a nader and forces you to rely on your weak primary. I don’t think Fragger is better than Nader, and I still find him easy, because whenever I play him it’s incredibly easy to use… but so boring due to the slow speed. I also like to consistently direct-hit low health players with nader nades from long range.

Keep in mind that nader nades are on a timer and can be easily avoided but fragger nades get cooked and blow up in your face. Much more is needed to hit people with nader nades than fragger nades. It’s likely the reason nader gets 5 and fragger gets 1.

(ASTOUNDINGSHELL) #9

@sneak I have palyed Nader on comeptitive during her rotations, cause i dont own her, and i rarely find any problem.

Dunno, i jsut find her boring to paly as, and kinda easy overall, In pbus i spend most time as phantom or Thunder.
Who know mayeb you find fragger easier just like i find rhino and Nader easy. and maybe i find him mroe entertaining to play as.

I dont find his speed an issue, i have my ways aroudn that, and i prefer having more hp over speed, altho that does have some problems

I dont think you can say I am wrong. I think Both Nader and Fragger are relativly easy to use, I jsut find Nader easier to use overall, low reccoil weapons, high, forgving on missing shots, the FUCK YOU button when you are downed. I just find her Kit to be easier to use overall.

Note: i use the K-121 so when it comes to recoil I am used to a lot of it

(KattiValk) #10

When it really comes down to it, Nader is more effective than Fragger is at the moment. Nader simply has more stuff to throw and being able to obliterate low HP mercs instantly 5 times over in next to no time at all is quite a bit better than just one group of people. Fragger is a shadow of his former double doomsday power even if he has better RPM for his grenades. I personally would like to see him getting his other grenade back along with a small nerf to resupply time so he could be somewhere in between now and back then except with the nerfed grenade he has right now and not the old room annihilator.

(sneak) #11

[quote=“astoundingShellfish;147574”]@sneak I have palyed Nader on comeptitive during her rotations, cause i dont own her, and i rarely find any problem.

Dunno, i jsut find her boring to paly as, and kinda easy overall, In pbus i spend most time as phantom or Thunder.
Who know mayeb you find fragger easier just like i find rhino and Nader easy. and maybe i find him mroe entertaining to play as.

I dont find his speed an issue, i have my ways aroudn that, and i prefer having more hp over speed, altho that does have some problems

I dont think you can say I am wrong. I think Both Nader and Fragger are relativly easy to use, I jsut find Nader easier to use overall, low reccoil weapons, high, forgving on missing shots, the FUCK YOU button when you are downed. I just find her Kit to be easier to use overall.

Note: i use the K-121 so when it comes to recoil I am used to a lot of it[/quote]

Yes I rate Rhino as the easiest class in the game to play and Fletcher as 2nd easiest but most overpowered. I find aura and fragger easy, but I don’t necessarily think it’s easy for EVERYONE. I guess that’s what I’m saying…

Nader is easy for most people to spam nades in pubs and do okay… but to actually do well it’s not as simple and it’s underrated in how much dedication it takes. There are no ways around his speed, as long jumps and wall jumps are used on every character so his speed is being compared relative to the speed of other mercs doing the same movements.

The guns may have low recoil but so does the KEK And the BR and Stark. Relative to these guns (and somewhat the M4) the guns on nader just aren’t anywhere as good. The damage output is way too low. You’re required to have good tracking with the SMG-9 and alot of headshots to actually take people out. Martyrdom is almost never successful and results in alot of dead medics trying to heal you rather than dead enemies. Less experienced players are usually the ones who make the mistake of getting on an ungibbed nader which leads me back to my point that nader is easy in pubs. SMG9 isn’t forgiving on missing shots at all, you have to be accurate.

(ASTOUNDINGSHELL) #12

@sneak

Yeah thsts kidn fo what i think so

The smg 9 really is an unforgiving weapon. but you shoudl go fro the Crotzni :stuck_out_tongue: that hting is a beast

(sneak) #13

[quote=“astoundingShellfish;148023”]@sneak

Yeah thsts kidn fo what i think so

The smg 9 really is an unforgiving weapon. but you shoudl go fro the Crotzni :stuck_out_tongue: that hting is a beast[/quote]

I pretty much only use the SMG9 on nader, and it’s because of the augments. SMG9, M9, beckhill, bigger blast, springy and unshakable.

(Icecoal) #14

Fragger is better than Nader. When you cook the frag it’s always a guaranteed kill while you have to direct hit with Nader. Fragger has also better weapons (k-121, m4, br-16). Nader is a bit overrated IMO