Nader Spam on C4 Objectives

(FurriesAreAwesome) #1

I haven’t seen an existing discussion on this, but I wanted to bring it up.

When one needs to defend an objective, particularly planted C4, it’s far too easy to get a couple of Naders on your team and just spam the objective area, easily preventing people from defusing the C4.

I don’t have a problem with “strategic spam”, but Nader’s rapid recharge makes it possible to have a nearly perpetual rain on a plant site, at range, with just two people.

I was thinking that explosions near the C4 created by the planting team would cause the timer to stall for a few seconds. This would allow you to spam the site to clear it out, but at a (albeit small) cost. This wouldn’t affect Nader’s spam in a combat situation, but may discourage perpetual bombardments.

Explosions caused by the defusing team could reduce the defuse timer, or place the C4 in an unstable state for a few seconds where it is unable to be defused.

This effect could be applied to other explosive effects as well (mines, sticky bombs, air strikes, etc). Thoughts?

(watsyurdeal) #2

You can do the same thing with Fletcher though…

So honestly I don’t see the issue, the thing with pubs is things that seem strong and ok in 5v5 are imploded on 8v8 because of the higher player count and no merc limits.

Plus Nader is on free rotation so…yea.

(TheOrangePhantome) #3

I don’t see the issue so yeah you can do that in different ways with many mercs soo yeah.

(Amerika) #4

The whole point of Nader’s grenades is area denial. Some less experienced players treat the grenade launcher as a crutch to spray and pray for kills…and it works to an extent against other less experienced players (or just getting lucky). But her nades are only truly useful to deny areas and it’s great at that. It’s the sole reason she is used as consistently as she is in 5v5 matches. If she couldn’t do that she wouldn’t be used in a merc rotation for match play.

(gg2ez) #5

That’s pretty much Nader’s perfect calling, an entire team around the C4 area trying to diffuse.

If I had a dollar for every time I’ve destroyed entire teams just around C4 areas, I’d earn $10 every match.

You see, Nader is used as an area denial merc, what better way to deny area than by obliterating anybody within that area with a few Nades and a Crotzni?

(Sorotia) #6

Almost any merc in excess is going to be a problem…3+ Fletcher’s can bomb you like Watsyurdeal said, multiple Bush can spam turret defense…multiple Rhino can spam you to death with bullet spray…ect ect.

(gg2ez) #7

@cherryOctagon One Rhino is enough for me, especially if they have a Sparks or a Sawbonez.

(Sussepus) #8

… you only need one to defuse the objective. so the rest of the team should be able to take care of the nader spam, yes?

(LifeupOmega) #9

When one needs to defend an objective, particularly planted C4, it’s far too easy to get a couple of Kiras on your team and just rotate laser the objective area, easily preventing people from defusing the C4.

In short, stacking any merc will lead to an imbalance that favours their ability. Kill 'em if they’re spamming, they won’t have any nades.

(CCP115) #10

Wait for Stoker free week.

C4 based maps will crawl to a stop.

(Grave_Knight) #11

[quote=“CCP115;86961”]Wait for Stoker free week.

C4 based maps will crawl to a stop.[/quote]
Free week nothing. That shit is going to happen the week he’s added. You just know everyone, especially those who played CBT, are going to be grabbing him ASAP. Free week is just going to make it ten times worse.

(TheOrangePhantome) #12

[quote=“Grave_Knight;87012”][quote=“CCP115;86961”]Wait for Stoker free week.

C4 based maps will crawl to a stop.[/quote]
Free week nothing. That shit is going to happen the week he’s added. You just know everyone, especially those who played CBT, are going to be grabbing him ASAP. Free week is just going to make it ten times worse.[/quote]

What don’t you like stoker?

(Grave_Knight) #13

[quote=“TheOrangePhantome;87446”][quote=“Grave_Knight;87012”][quote=“CCP115;86961”]Wait for Stoker free week.

C4 based maps will crawl to a stop.[/quote]
Free week nothing. That shit is going to happen the week he’s added. You just know everyone, especially those who played CBT, are going to be grabbing him ASAP. Free week is just going to make it ten times worse.[/quote]

What don’t you like stoker?[/quote]
I like him just fine. That doesn’t mean I want to fight five of them.

(TheOrangePhantome) #14

[quote=“Grave_Knight;87875”][quote=“TheOrangePhantome;87446”][quote=“Grave_Knight;87012”][quote=“CCP115;86961”]Wait for Stoker free week.

C4 based maps will crawl to a stop.[/quote]
Free week nothing. That shit is going to happen the week he’s added. You just know everyone, especially those who played CBT, are going to be grabbing him ASAP. Free week is just going to make it ten times worse.[/quote]

What don’t you like stoker?[/quote]
I like him just fine. That doesn’t mean I want to fight five of them.[/quote]

Touche my friend touche. I gotta agree on that.

(Sir_Slam) #15

If they’re stacking Nader, they’re missing something else. Abuse the fact they have no medics, no CQC (just don’t run directly at her, you get DH’d) or no sniper cover.

Assuming of course this is 5v5 if it’s 8v8…well that’s why I don’t play pubs.