Musings on basic character development issues

(tokamak) #41

You referred to a skinner box.

(Jess Alon) #42

Stop crying. The system SD has come up with allows people to build up a character quickly and it also allows people to spend a substantial amount on multiple builds and respec their character and invest time if they have a lot of time to invest in the game.

It benefits both camps.

(Senethro) #43

Why? I want access to the game content, I don’t want to have to jump hurdles to access content.

My opinion would most likely be the same as I would pick a style that I would find fun to play, not necessarily one that has the best numbers.

If not engaging with any points and making an only somewhat related statement about yourself is what qualifies as “knocking sense into people”, I’m truly disappointed.

It’s either spending more time or more thought. If there was no such restraint people would keep on thoughtlessly copying the latest craze and instantly change when the meta-game moves.

Ah. Its ego. You want to believe yourself more intelligent than other people and think this system is a way to validate that.

(Weeohhweeohh) #44

Any word on the xp banking or how you can give xp to alts? I know we can just wait 2 months and see for ourselves…but I already got the shakes…I have moved to full on addict mode and I want more info…bahhhh. I should have just stayed a forum lurker.

(Senethro) #45

I don’t follow.

Nice.

The system SD has come up with allows people to build up a character quickly

How quickly? How do you know?

and it also allows people to spend a substantial amount on multiple builds and respec their character and invest time if they have a lot of time to invest in the game.

Why is time investment good?

It benefits both camps.

I often change my spec mid-round in BC2. This system benefits me not at all.

(Weeohhweeohh) #46

Relax, buddy. Flavor of the month builds plague all sorts of games that have this kind of character development, Pal. Tokamak is stating a fact about flavor of the month, horse blinder talent builders who don’t think about how they should build their toon, friend. No need to bust in with Ego flames and try to discredit his common sense feelings about ability allocation.

Also, he is more intelligent the most posters.

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More time in a well built game is it’s own reward.

Well I guess Brink isn’t the game for you. You could always play BC2 and save yourself some cash.

(Mad Hatter) #47

I like it, personally. This way, even if I get a character to level 20, he’s not “done.” I can tweak him as much as I want, but I can’t do it all willy nilly. I get the feeling that they want players to feel invested in their character builds, like they would be in an RPG.

(tokamak) #48

Hurdles like carefully considering what you want?

If not engaging with any points and making an only somewhat related statement about yourself is what qualifies as “knocking sense into people”, I’m truly disappointed.

Then you didn’t get my point. I’m saying that mod changes wouldn’t have much effect on my decisions as they usually involve shifting a very few parameters. If they make drastic changes then a free respec would be appropriate.

Ah. Its ego. You want to believe yourself more intelligent than other people and think this system is a way to validate that.

Yes, ego, individuality, originality, long therm vision all play a role here. While everyone struggles and hops back levels to try again you can sit around smugly with your perfect build, having a clear advantage over the rest.

Opportunities need to have a cost, and those who don’t take it get to spent it somewhere else. And really I already proposed a much more strict approach to respeccing. This is pretty mild.

I often change my spec mid-round in BC2. This system benefits me not at all.

I actually wouldn’t object to sacrificing a slot to being able to change your build during a match. Adaptability is a speciality by itself which means you get a build that fits the situation better yet is inherently weaker than a build that can’t be changed.

The main point is that your character becomes something you truly own, it should not just be a toolbox from which you can pick and chose whatever suits the situation best (like COD) This rpg element is integral to Brink’s gameplay, it’s part of playing your role in a way that suits the situation rather than picking a role that suits the situation.

It’s similar to the argument for locking bodytypes.

(Senethro) #49

[QUOTE=Weeohhweeohh;273039]Relax, buddy. Flavor of the month builds plague all sorts of games that have this kind of character development, Pal. Tokamak is stating a fact about flavor of the month, horse blinder talent builders who don’t think about how they should build their toon, friend. No need to bust in with Ego flames and try to discredit his common sense feelings about ability allocation.

Also, he is more intelligent the most posters.

edit:

More time in a well built game is it’s own reward.

Well I guess Brink isn’t the game for you. You could always play BC2 and save yourself some cash.[/QUOTE]

This is ironic, isn’t it? You’ve intentionally made the worst post. Three insincere familiars, appeal to common sense, “LIKE IT OR LEAVE IT”, cheerleeding.

I’ve cracked the code, whats my prize?

(Weeohhweeohh) #50

“Buddy, Pal and Friend” bit is from South Park. You win nothing.

(Senethro) #51

This is ironic again. You’re pretending to be unfamiliar with the general useage and claim they’re a reference to an American cartoon show that is getting so old, making reference to it is so uncool its cool if you’re a hipster dip****.

Quit holding out on me man, what do I get?

(Weeohhweeohh) #52

You win a decorative fruit basket. Give me your address.

How many hipsters does it take to screw in a light bulb?

(Mad Hatter) #53

Had to do it.

(Senethro) #54

Aight, this is going in circles. I’m asking why a time investment to change perks is good in Brink, when competitors such as BF and CoD are as simple as a few clicks in an options menu. All I’m getting back is that a time investment is good because a time investment is good.

Why is less more and limitations on how I want to play good?

(tokamak) #55

Time investment is a cost, a cost to opportunity. A cost to opportunity is good because it adds weight to decisions, rewarding the players that set priorities and make the right choices.

It also discourages copy-cat behaviour as well as trial and error play.

(Weeohhweeohh) #56

[QUOTE=Senethro;273056]Aight, this is going in circles. I’m asking why a time investment to change perks is good in Brink, when competitors such as BF and CoD are as simple as a few clicks in an options menu. All I’m getting back is that a time investment is good because a time investment is good.

Why is less more and limitations on how I want to play good?[/QUOTE]

Apples and oranges man. Brink is not BF or CoD. They are doing it differently because the developers want it that way. It is inconvenient for some but for others it adds depth to the character development.

Edit: I still need your address if you want your fruit basket.

(Mad Hatter) #57

If I had to guess I’d say it’s because unlike CoD (no experience with BF), Brink’s character development is much more akin to an RPG than just a standard shooter with a few perks. I dunno, I’m feeling weak from hunger. Someone else elaborate, please…

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(Senethro) #58

[QUOTE=tokamak;273057]Time investment is a cost, a cost to opportunity. A cost to opportunity is good because it adds weight to decisions, rewarding the players that set priorities and make the right choices.

It also discourages copy-cat behaviour as well as trial and error play.[/QUOTE]

WHy is weight good, why is it desirable that some choices are “right”, how will it discourage copy-cat behaviour, why is trial and error play bad?

Seriously, its like wholly different preconceptions that I can’t get my head around.

(tokamak) #59

From this point I have a hard time judging whether or not you’re being facetious.

(Weeohhweeohh) #60

Would I get an infraction for flaming/flame bating if I replied with; “Well here’s hoping Hello Kitty comes out with a FPS you can understand.” If so, I won’t post it.