mp_base for ET? WTF!

(SHIELD) #1

Guys/Gals,

Please check out this thread and put in a response if you agree or dont agree with my comments please!

I think the mapping community needs to speak out more on this issue…

Click Here to go to the RTCW Online Forums

GRRRR!

(Mlehliw) #2

I guess it was bound to happen. I don’t like it at all. I’m not even going to bother downloading it. I hope that server admins do the right thing and leave this map out of their rotations.

I wish activision would step in but it looks like they’re just going to turn a blind eye to everything. :frowning:

(FN|DragonFly) #3

Well just wanted to say after talking it over w/ couple other people @ rtcwfiles we have decided not to post the file on the site :lookaround: . Also I have emailed activision & currently awaiting a response.

(G0-Gerbil) #4

Well, it’s not helped by the fact that some silly arse left the .MAP file in while building the official PK3 files :confused:

This is actually quite amusing - judging from those screenshots whoever ‘converted’ the map is either a complete cretin or really has no idea on texturing.

Maybe I should take back all I said about how search / replace from RTCW -> ET is simple.

I should have said it’s simple assuming you have even the slightest conception of taste.

Just goes to show the piss poor standards when ripping off someone’s work. Anyone doing their own map would never release such a garish outrage, but when all you’ve done is steal someone else’s work for a slice of the glory, why should you give a damn if it looks like a dog’s dinner?

I’m GLAD it’s horrible looking - it’s that fact that will keep it off the servers. If they’d done a half decent job it’d probably be played all over the place.

Own goal there by whoever released this :slight_smile:

(G0-Gerbil) #5

BTW, nice one to people @ RTCWFILES.com.
Just goes to show you can run a community site and have a conscience :slight_smile:

:clap:

(Loffy) #6

You got my respect for doing that. Fet-cred., helt enkelt.

(redfella) #7

yea i agree… thats a llama. If the dude that did the conversion where to only do it to see if he could do it (and not release the map), then fine np. But if hes releasing it just to make a name, thats kinda silly.

Anyways, how could he gay the textures that bad anyways?? The orginial rtcw .map file was completely intact… there were no missing textures. Unless its a copyright issue where he decided not to use any of the RTCW textures.

(lennyballa) #8

Guys that do stuff like this are fucking up the gamesworld, do you think developers will ever release a source again if the community just copy the maps and texture. NO!

(*[SfS]*OpTeRoN) #9

The map also adds textures to the original dirs and uses some work from mml_church.

Look inside their PK3.

(redfella) #10

Guess whats gonna happen for Doom3…

(system) #11

bad map…

(G0-Gerbil) #12

Cool to see the guy just copied things across from Church :confused:

If people are going to steal stuff would they bloody well at least rename it in future? FFS!

Anyone got an idea who did it?

I’ve got a name in mind, but want to check it out before I point the finger so everyone can have a good laugh :slight_smile:

(ziege) #13

But even if you know who did it, you can’t stop them doing it again. All you’ll have is a nickname which they could easily change if you name and shame them. It’s a losing battle :frowning:

(G0-Gerbil) #14

Well, credits say KT and CM, which is disturbingly anonymous, except…

Well, I am 99% sure I know who CM is :wink:

Well, had a look, and it’s worse than I could have imagined. It’s too dark, runs like crap, looks AWFUL and for some reason rather than just convert the map as-is, they’ve stuck a bit of netting up to the tower. Obviously whoever converted this map was used to getting massively raped while defending and wanted to make it easier…

I don’t understand the framerate at all though < 60 fps all the time pretty much, even indoors it’s crap - I managed much much better on the RTCW version (3-4 times faster overall). Oh and it’s not the rain causing the slow down :slight_smile:

So erm, I think the lesson to be learnt here is, if you like a map so much you want to convert it, make sure you are good enough at mapping to do a decent job :angry:

(lennyballa) #15

Who is it then? Commando or something?

(G0-Gerbil) #16

Like I said, I won’t name anyone unless I’m 100% sure it’s them. False accusations can be pretty damaging :confused:

(ChumChum) #17

I know a lot of computer geeks who say windows is crap. That doesn’t stop people from liking it over linux or Unix. If people want mp_base or mp_beach for ET, soemone will make and release it. A few clans got together recently and played this et base and most of them liked it. I was one of the few who didn’t. There is this barrier between mappers and competitive gamers. The competitive gamers could care less about textures or extremly detailed brushwork. They want a layout that allows for fun and even gameplay.

I worked on the base .map file for RTCW to learn mapping. A friend of mine liked what I did and added some of his own stuff. We passed it back and forth editing various things. We never released it and I don’t really plan to. However, a lot of people have been asking me to because the layout I have changes the dynamics of the map to where people will need a new strat instead of the tired old NE Tower crossfire crap. I may eventually release it because people want it and the few who have actually played on it liked it. heres a link to pics. No download as I have not released it.

http://www.chumbox.com/modules.php?name=Content&pa=showpage&pid=1

I won’t claim its some great work by myself. It will just be a great map that was altered. I won’t claim its original, I don’t. I did it at first to just learn and have fun but now people want to play it. Why shouldn’t I give it to them? Its like taking a Mc Donalds cheesburger and throwing some A1 sauce on it. Some will try it and like it and I will give it to them saying look, its just a Mc Donalds cheeseburger with A1 sauce on it but here ya go, enjoy.

Now having said that, I do not like this et base map. I say that because I know how much work goes into mapping and it looks as though this map was made in 1 day :confused: This is a forum of mostly mappers or wannabe mappers like myself. Most here will hate and despise this map but there is a huge number of people who will welcome a map like this no matter how bad the textures look or don’t line up. I say this because people have asked me to convert my base2 rtcw map to et and release it. I don’t know that I will do this as I am working on other things but if the demand is there and its not too much work, I prolly will end up making and releasing it.

I understand I will get soem flames and that is fine. I am just offering another point of view on this.

(Lockeownzj00) #18

I don’t think it’s a matter of textures so much as it is a matter of illegality.

Also: want me to help you with a mapping? If what I’m thinking of is the same as what you’re thinking of, moving staircases require no scripting.

edit: also, i saw stop that chum…wow, that was really good. I hate to sound arrogant here but I feel for the first time I found smoeone of my caliber playing wolfenstein. im sure there are tons of good players but I never seem to find enough of them…you seem intelligent enough. I have a growing list of ET friends, the very few who were intelligent and good at playing. I only wish I were non-lazy enough to record all my amazing feats. I usually take the medic class :smiley: