More recent love for Phantom?

(SirSwag) #1

Is it just me or did Phantom recently become harder to see? I can’t find anything about it in the recent patch notes, but I’ve seen a lot of players doing much better with him lately? Is he still nerfed to hell or is he worth the 50,000 credits now? Cheers.

(Amerika) #2

I’ve noticed quite a few more Phantom players lately too and almost all of them are actually using their guns. People are finally starting to realize he can be played without trying to be melee only. If you want to do the “melee only” thing then I wouldn’t waste your credits.

(TheOrangePhantome) #3

Funny enough i didn’t use phantoms katana like 85% of the time and maybe here and there if i see that the enemy i was shooting at i’ll just activate my cloak and stab them and maybe from time to time go on a katana only killing spree but that doesn’t happen a lot.

Even tho i’d love to see phantom reworked with a secondary ability given to him like a EMP device or spotting ability.

(tameBeetle) #4

He still definitely isn’t worth the 50,000 credits. Its not that hes under powered, (although he is slightly) its that hes just not fun to play. His cloak is basically useless (might soak up a few bullets) if anything it makes it harder to flank and if you are using mainly his primary hes just like any other merc with a crotizni.

(RyePanda) #5

Playing against a Phantom who is accurate with the kek can be a nightmare. The cloak is bad, but it still gives you a fraction of a second (and an initial 75 health) of an advantage, and that’s all a player with good aim needs to get you low or downed really quick.

(Eox) #6

Didn’t noticed anything. Maybe it’s the Phantom players that are getting better.

(gg2ez) #7

Well yes. There has been a noticeable increase in Phantom players, however, in the shape that Phantom is in, it’s nothing you can’t fix with a couple of Nades.

(Ronan) #8

Or it’s the fact that people have come to realize that in the foreseeable future, Phantom probably won’t have any changes. Are having to suck up, and just play him as is, and when they finally do change him, as he rightfully deserves, can rejoice stabbing the haters and nonbelievers in the Church of Phantom™ once more.

I was hoping the lack of people playing him would convince the team to do something. A progress report, even, would be nice. I know the devs are busy, and I know it’s hard to sometimes give us news, but even I have my limit for waiting. And I’ve been gone the past month hoping to come back to see SOME changes to him. Alas, there was not.

(watsyurdeal) #9

The thing is, just because you can play him on pubs doesn’t necessarily mean he’s ok as is.

Arty was playable, but still buffed, and not only that, I think the way the buffed Arty made him a bit too spammy imo.

Or maybe that’s just how it feels to me, since I’m typically playing on 8v8 servers.

(Ronan) #10

I don’t dislike Splash Damage or love the game any less. It’s just, frustrating, to say the least.

(friendlyDaze) #11

I disagree I do very well even in competitive with the blishlock. You just can’t be too close while moving. Try flanking as opposed to running right up to them while cloaked. By flanking you avoid being seen as well as by sitting still while cloaked and waiting for the perfect time. It works almost every time.

(Merci1ess) #12

The cloak is joke and you’d be lucky to even get close to a decent player. If you’re planning to use your gun more than anything else… Spend your hard earned 50k credits on Fragger instead for example… He shoots with his gun too. He can use a knife, he has 2 grenades, more health and a better primary weapon.

The only thing you won’t get is the ability to cloak. Personally, I don’t have problems seeing cloaked Phantoms. It’s pretty bad. If I don’t see them coming, aka get flanked, I’ll hear them. Also, you’d be lucky to get the first shot on anyone before somebody else notices you and exposes you to everyone.

Basically Phantom in a nutshell ^

(watsyurdeal) #13

I think it goes even further than the cloak being bad, but realistically speaking, for the sake of just killing people, which Phantom is good at no doubt. Fragger and Nader are simply better at that, better tools, better weapons, better health on Fragger, I just don’t see a point to use him until they give him a second ability that adds a distinct niche to him.

But at this point I sound like the town drunk who rambles on and on but shit never happens. So I won’t go any further.

(Amerika) #14

Hahah, I can just hear in my head a town drunk wobbling down the street and crying out about the changes they want to see to Phantom in a slurred and emphatic voice.

(XavienX) #15

Well sure…but the case is can Phantom actually play tactically against competitive experienced players. No, unfortunately like Arty. Mainly it’s his cloak problems being it too visible still and loud at the same time. Also his attack range for lunge attack is still not fixed yet because it has shorter range than the slash attack.

(tameBeetle) #16

I disagree I do very well even in competitive with the blishlock. You just can’t be too close while moving. Try flanking as opposed to running right up to them while cloaked. By flanking you avoid being seen as well as by sitting still while cloaked and waiting for the perfect time. It works almost every time.[/quote]

But the thing is you can flank with Phantom just as well as you can with every other class. If you want to flank why not just play as Aura or another fast merc? The invisibility shield is not invisible at all and doesn’t provide much shielding. It also makes a loud noise which just makes it harder to flank. I think Aura could also do the “sitting still while cloaked and waiting for the perfect time.” better by just placing a heal station and waiting next to a choke point.

(TheOrangePhantome) #17

I agree with @Xavien he does need a rework in his cloak my suggestion remove the armor aspect entirely have 85% or 90% invisibility and make the noise from the cloak a bit more quieter cuz it’s WAY TOO obvious where you are if you just listen for the sound that the cloak makes.

Ofc a secondary ability like EMP device or singular spotting ability.
This is how i see phantom reworked @Amerika.