The mk46 needs to.be one of the best weapons in the game as thunder doesnt have anything(apart from the stark) that is truly effective at gunning down a lot of people in a short amonut of time. I think it.needs more accurate starting spread and 12 dmg. Only then will it truly be the dakka dakka.
MK46 tweak idea
Herr_Hanz
(Herr_Hanz)
#22
that would be awesome. and OP
after playing thunder for 5 hours the last 2 days i see that the MK46 is pretty good, it just needs better spread.
idk about lowering the starting spread, but i was more thinking of lowering the amount the spread increases with after every bullet. just to make it more accurate after some nonstop firefights.
Tanker_Ray
(Tanker_Ray)
#23
because now it isnt? [/quote]
for me the gun has way too much spread, after 10-20 bullets i already have to ADS.[/quote]
About the very low spread and this, This is so damn true. MK.46 spreads even faster than Crotzni. This is still some awful shxt even after this year Feb’s buff.
But I would rather say it isn’t going to be THAT OP even if Thunder gets the good old 12damage and 145 DPS. Which means, Conc nerf has to be followed.
People and SD have always concentrated his conc, and look what happened after May patch that made slow effect wroking properly. After all that SD’s stupid conc buff’s accumulation.
and everyone in DBN/pubs is using him just because of insane CD of slow.
I would rather have 25 sec CD on Conc and have my own ultimate primary weapon.
132DPS isn’t weak of course, and idea of buffing realistic DPS by tightening the spread sounds nice.
But I would rather want to see the good old MK.46 like Rhino with his minigun, not some slow-dependant merc that makes all weapon useful.
I still don’t consider MK.46 is better than KeK-10.
Szakalot
(Szakalot)
#24
the problem with buffing mk46 and nerfing concussion is a direct nerf to 12 /18 thunder loadouts
Herr_Hanz
(Herr_Hanz)
#25
it is true that on thunder i have to rely way too much on the concussion to win gunfights. im more of a gun guy, and i rarely use my abilities. normally in a 1v1 just shoot and we see who win. but ive gotten used to just throwing a conc anywhere before going in to kill the people in that area. on thunder i sometimes throw a conc mid fight, turn 180 degrees to avoid the flash, jump around so i dont get killed during the fuse time of the conc, and turn around to kill the guy when the conc has exploded.
i really like the short cooldown on the conc, so i dont mind a nerf as long as its only to the conucussion effect, as long as conc grenades still work as a breaching ability, as that is what they are made for. (throwing a conc into the generator room and storming and there to rek everybody while the healing station is emp’d)
http://i.imgur.com/avXp69e.jpg
this was with the MK46
Tanker_Ray
(Tanker_Ray)
#26
Small fact that he has that Explodydendron covers that all.
8.8m radius 99% slow that slowly goes back to normal speed + flash is far enough with 15 sec CD.
I never said the slow and flash was OP. BUT it is definitely broken with 15 sec CD.
@Herr_Hanz You are exactly like me. The ultimate GUN GUY. I really hate getting weaker own firepower just because of my damn skills.
But unfortunately, my saliva is already dried out for saying this too many times to SD, and they just won’t listen the fxck up.
Since THUNDA became definitely Defensive merc after losing his EMP,
All he needs is a god damn powerful own primary weapon.
I mean seriously, why don’t he deserve 140+ DPS high firepower weapon as Assault like Rhino does with his 300 DPS minigun.
The reason why MK seems to be useful is just because of the conc. Still it is SMG - level, can’t even beat its own brother K-121 easily.(I am talking about high level games, not stomping some noob Fraggers.)
Stark THUNDA is still standing on the top.
About your result, I’m definitely not saying you are a bad player but Defender Thunder + normal pub low level noob stomping, that is quite easy for anyone. As an little example :
That’s why I don’t post my Thunder stomping game. I would rather prove how good he is by these screenshots.
Played bunch of more MA42 THUNDA min 20 games but I’m not much of a screeshot saver.
Anyway,
Like this screenshot,
he is really really weak against burst rifles. (Stark Stoker + BR hammer, Kiras, and let’s not even talk about Fletcher who still kills me with two stick.)
Not only because bursts are OP as fxck, but MAINLY because of MK.46’s lacking firepower.
Herr_Hanz
(Herr_Hanz)
#27
@ThunderPro i didnt get offended by anything. i just posted the pic as proof that it can be good, not that i was insulted by you calling me a noob. (you didnt even call me a noob or bad so IDK)
EDIT: i misread what you said. i just felt like posting a good score with thunder, i know its easy to get a high amount of kills in low pub matches, although even in pubs in low level servers i usually dont get 50+ kill. usually 40-49 if i have a good match.
basically MK46 is only good atm because you stun groups. if you only stun 1v1’s then you can just go for the stark/ak.
MK46 is epic to use, but its only good when going up against noobs. in 10 or 20 level servers you will probaly have a 30/20 KD or something.
i always imagined the mk46 as more of a KEK-10, fast fire rate, and nice damage.
MK46 needs buff. at least a spread buff, and it would be nice to have a damage buff as well
Tanker_Ray
(Tanker_Ray)
#28
[quote=“Herr_Hanz;189911”]@ThunderPro i didnt get offended by anything. i just posted the pic as proof that it can be good, not that i was insulted by you calling me a noob. (you didnt even call me a noob or bad so IDK)
EDIT: i misread what you said. i just felt like posting a good score with thunder, i know its easy to get a high amount of kills in low pub matches, although even in pubs in low level servers i usually dont get 50+ kill. usually 40-49 if i have a good match.
basically MK46 is only good atm because you stun groups. if you only stun 1v1’s then you can just go for the stark/ak.
MK46 is epic to use, but its only good when going up against noobs. in 10 or 20 level servers you will probaly have a 30/20 KD or something.
i always imagined the mk46 as more of a KEK-10, fast fire rate, and nice damage.
MK46 needs buff. at least a spread buff, and it would be nice to have a damage buff as well[/quote]
I just wrote that part because some of users were mad against me before, thought I was downing their Thunder skill pride or something.
Their damage is same 11. MK.46 just has longer 26m range(same with M4) than KeK’s 18m.
About the RoF, MK.46 is only 25RPM faster(725) than KeK’s 700 RPM.
Not THAT much difference. It is faster, but just a bit.
and yeah, +12 damage is considered as ‘Nice Damage’ in DB… considering how Crotzni hits harder than KeK with just 1 more damage. 12 dmg isn’t hard punching someone like 14 damage does, but it has that ‘least enough punch’.
Unlike you, I am more on to roll back the good old 12 damage/145DPS(Since I used THUNDA when he had 30 sec CD and two concs in his pocket.), but since all the other guns were nerfed than the old CB, I know 132 DPS isn’t bad DPS.
If MK.46 gets much tighter spread(Like before also. It used to had SUPER TIGHT SPREAD + 12dmg/145 DPS BOTH.) than now, let’s see how things go.
Only reason I don’t want just single spread buff is K-121 isn’t a bad gun like the old days when MK.46 just stomped over it.
17 dmg/135 DPS, 11dmg/132 DPS. and Fragger has that grenade. nah.
Well let’s wait for the proper weapon balancing Fine Tuning. Whatever buff plan SD has, I am so desperate about this gun’s buff. But first, we need to expect When will the damn SD hear this desperate call…
SADDEST PART.
arcaneCanvas
(arcaneCanvas)
#29
That’s why I don’t post my Thunder stomping game. I would rather prove how good he is by these screenshots.
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hey thats me on the top!
pocket medic is best medic.
i still think thunder nade only OP because he carries stark
Tanker_Ray
(Tanker_Ray)
#30
That’s why I don’t post my Thunder stomping game. I would rather prove how good he is by these screenshots.
[/quote]
hey thats me on the top!
pocket medic is best medic.
i still think thunder nade only OP because he carries stark[/quote]
Hey! nice to meet you.
Conc is surely broken, and about the Stark Thunder, it isn’t his problem.
It’s just bursts are way too good.
Well Stark is at least a bit better than BR-16, but it is still hella strong gun.
Sometimes I do feel sorry to my team just by using MK.46 because I know I’ll definitely perform worse than Timik or Stark Thunder.