Fucking rofl at using ratings as a basis for your argument.
Maybe some of us should take a break from DB
n-x
(n-x)
#23
@watsyurdeal I know, it was meant for me and I gave you an agree because I generally agree with you. But there are some people who are not interested in the point in the first place.
GatoCommodore
(GatoCommodore)
#24
@Nail said:
nah, just adding humour, statistics are fun
also, Destiny 2 on 8.7?
do you know how i know paid critics are paid critics?
Eox
(Eox)
#25
@watsyurdeal said:
This may be a pot coal in the kettle black sort of thing, but, being immediately hostile to people probably isn’t the best way to get your point across.
Definitely. This is actually how you turn a whole forum into a toxic swamp. Anyway, I removed those two posts.
watsyurdeal
(watsyurdeal)
#26
GatoCommodore
(GatoCommodore)
#27
@watsyurdeal said:
@GatoCommodore said:
The hell???
Wolfenstein wasn’t even bad, the freak?
Wolfenstein 2 just is not that good compared to the masterpiece that is the first one.
less enemy variety, the AI is actually dumber than the first one and no epic boss fight at the end of the game.
the game promises rebellion, revolution and stuff but its actually going nowhere and not accomplishing anything.
bgyoshi
(bgyoshi)
#28
I’ve been telling people to take a break for ages but they refuse.
I don’t know how people can hate this game so much and yet refuse to stop playing it.
Every season, endless posts of how bad Ranked is. But when you say “Then don’t play ranked” the response is “But casual sucks too” and it’s like ¯_(ツ)_/¯ “Sounds like you don’t like this game”
SD isn’t earning any money from you playing all you’re doing is inflating their telemetry. SD does what they do because you say “Ranked sucks” and then the number of players in ranked increases. Like… if you keep playing, you’re not really making a good case for how “unplayable” the game is.
I like the gunplay DB much more than the explody DB and I think the view kick change was great. I know people like being able to 180 RNG gods to the dome when they get ganked and then pretend like it was skill, but it’s good that it’s harder to do that. Positional play is far more fun than being the superior head tracker; stick near corners and boxes and cover, move out of the line of fire to reset your cursor, and return fire. It’s not RNG dawg it’s just you being too reliant on your tracking.
But I guess that’s why I like the view kick changes: My aim is between 37% and 42% and my headshot % stays around 4% or so every match, so I’ve never been particularly strong in that area. I’ve always been pretty reliant on positional advantage; surprising enemies, ducking around corners to reset my aimpunch, and often times just running from fights I know I -might- win, but know I have the disadvantage.
I stay active here because I want the game to get better, so I keep an eye on changes and offer my input but man, I do take long breaks from DB when I get tired of it, instead of just coming here to flame hard at the devs.
But really, your words aren’t nearly as influential as your time and your wallet. Don’t buy their stuff and don’t play their game if you’re unhappy with it. They’ll notice when they aren’t making money and when their player count is in decline. But recently, player count is just increasing and so are their pocketbooks. So really, speak with your actions and leave your words on the sidelines.
Pumpkiller
(Pumpkiller)
#29
@bgyoshi said:
I’ve been telling people to take a break for ages but they refuse.I don’t know how people can hate this game so much and yet refuse to stop playing it.
Every season, endless posts of how bad Ranked is. But when you say “Then don’t play ranked” the response is “But casual sucks too” and it’s like ¯_(ツ)_/¯ “Sounds like you don’t like this game”[…]
SD isn’t earning any money from you playing all you’re doing is inflating their telemetry. SD does what they do because you say “Ranked sucks” and then the number of players in ranked increases. Like… if you keep playing, you’re not really making a good case for how “unplayable” the game is.[…]
I stay active here because I want the game to get better, so I keep an eye on changes and offer my input but man, I do take long breaks from DB when I get tired of it, instead of just coming here to flame hard at the devs.But really, your words aren’t nearly as influential as your time and your wallet. Don’t buy their stuff and don’t play their game if you’re unhappy with it. They’ll notice when they aren’t making money and when their player count is in decline. But recently, player count is just increasing and so are their pocketbooks. So really, speak with your actions and leave your words on the sidelines.
You’re looking at things the wrong way: it’s not really a matter of pepole hating on the game for no particular reason than “because they can”, it’s about pepole frustrated at the game dropping in quality update after update on multiple fronts, but i’m not gonna get into that.
Sure, it can be worded extremely poorly or in an inflammatory way, but i cannot think of one situation where complete apathy or sugarcoated criticizing solved anything, which is what you’re basically suggesting. I think pepole would rather see pepole pissed at something than absolutely nothing. Words change opinions, opinions change behaviours, and, i’f the numbers are right behind, it changes how things work. Hence why forums exists.
You’re underestimating how powerful words are.
bgyoshi
(bgyoshi)
#30
@Pumpkiller said:
You’re underestimating how powerful words are.
@n-x said:
-Ranked is broke af this season? We complain about it. SD is assuring that Ranked is the heart of DB and blablabla and they really, really, really want to focus on it. Does this sound familiar? Because this happens since Season 1 without any significant changes.
-Everybody is annoyed by Proxys suicide pan cake delivery. The solution to this, that mines should only be shootable after they have been armed, has been suggested months ago, yet SD starts to fumble around with the explosion radius.
-View kick: nobody asked for it; nobody liked it, when it was introduced; nobody wants to keep it. Instead of removing it, what do they do? They start to tweak.
-DB was announced as a competitive game, in which you can compare your skills with others. Guns get fixed by RNG.It has all been said. There is hardly anything new anyone could say to any topic that has not already been said. SD knows our opinion about any topic, be it from the competitive community, from the casual community or from the beginners. If they haven’t decided to make a certain change then bitching a fifth time about it won’t change anything. The whole community just becomes more and more toxic.
Trust me, I’m not.
This thread isn’t directed at the few that haven’t been vocal and are now being so. It’s not a call to stop talking to the devs. It’s a call on the people who’ve been here for years and years, always making the same complaints day in and day out, refusing to quit playing or take a break.
Say all you want man but if people say “Ranked sucks” and SD notices a 20% increase in players from last season, they’re going to write it off as aimless complaining.
Money talks
Player stats talk
Words are just words; biased and often thoughtless.
Anyone who’s dealt with customer complaints knows that customers are usually stupid and their words should be ignored. If players and profits increase, then you’re doing it right. That’s how business works. They’ll take our words into consideration but in the end, all that matters are the numbers.
So hit the number when it becomes clear that your words aren’t getting through.
woodchip
(woodchip)
#31
Yeah but that’s not happening. Player numbers aren’t increasing. They are at the lowest levels of all time, on a long term downtrend. If on top of that the veteran core isn’t really feeling the game anymore then good luck.
Oh, and just lol at Yoshi’s ‘devs can do no wrong’ argument that the patch that was designed to reduce view kick actually increasing it is a good thing.
Devs: “You all have complained about view kick forever, and we agree it’s too strong on at least some weapons. So we’re changing it in a way that should tone it down significantly.”
Patch makes view kick even more obnoxious and aim even more RNG
Yoshi: “I for one love the genius and totally deliberate decision to make aimpunch even more disruptive.”
Because of course.
Dude, I get that you have to shill. That’s your thing. It’s not doing anyone any favors but it is your thing. Still, when a patch works more or less contrary to the broad, explicit dev intent you shouldn’t bother trying to claim it’s all part of the genius plan. “I’m glad the aimpunch nerf was actually an aimpunch buff because it helps mediocre aimers like me” goes too far beyond the fanboy call of duty.
There are half a dozen other competitive FPS titles that beat DB at pretty much everything except gunplay. DB’s aim intense focus is it’s primary and really only strong selling point. Reducing that in favor of positional emphasis (beyond the already good balance point it was at) compromises DB’s unique and only major strength. And of course that was not the intent of the patch, it just turns out that aimpunch is even more jarring and inconsistent with the faster reset window. So the dev’s screwed up, and it’s in their best interest to realize that as fast as possible.
MuddyGrenade
(Muddy Muddy Mud Nade)
#32
@Meerkats said:
The problem is that there is no place else to go, otherwise we would already have left. This is not voluntary. Dirty Bomb is the last train to the last stop on a route that has long been derailed, maybe even cancelled. This is it. I look at the future of FPS, and I am filled with emptiness.CS:GO? Hate the gunplay. Overwatch? Garbage. Battlefield and Battlefront? Not too bad if I weren’t allergic to explosives and vehicle spam. Quake: Champions? Might be fun, but not squad-based. Call of Duty? Call of no. Lawbreakers? Dead. PUBG? Adequate “FP,” inadequate “S.” Planetside 2? Clunky af. R6: Siege? Instant TTK isn’t fun. Battalion? Watched a few streams, meh.
It’s a wasteland. FPS is kinda… dead.
This is the last FPS that kinda sorta truly emphasizes gunplay with middling TTK and squad-based gameplay.
Yesterday, I was in a match against a Thunder, a PDP Redeye, a PDP Vassili, a Grandeur Aimee, a Phantom and I think a Javelin. Hey Splash Damage, you tell me; how much fun does your telemetry tell you I had? Nearly the entire enemy team was composed of new mercs, and those mercs are all great, right? Right! New means fun!
It was a @$!# roulette where the prizes where being blinded, slowed, detected, debilitated, smoked or dead. Hug a corner to avoid snipers? Hi, invisible @$!# Phantom. Luckily, the Javelin either always used her rockets on my teammates, or took pity and refrained. Either way, thank you unknown Javelin player.
That is the shitshow that Dirty Bomb is today. How is that fun for anyone. This game could have been great. Instead, every patch pushes it toward mediocrity. Players like me, we don’t want tactical gunplay. We don’t want stupid memes. We don’t want casual bullshit like OP shotguns. We want a good FPS.
What’s that saying? “Beggars can’t be choosers?”
Actively refusing to play other games as well as crapping all over the one game you actually “enjoy”? That’s like refusing to eat anything at a restaurant except for one thing on the menu, and then saying that one thing sucks.
Also what’s wrong with memes?
Xenithos
(Xenithos)
#33
Wait, so you guys actually play this game and tell others you hate it while having a consistent 10+ hours per week time basis in it? Holy crap.
I mean I’m just here to write bug reports and “to complain” as someone in DB told me a day ago. Example, Timik has firing pattern on the gun before firing when spawning, it’s gone once you fire once. Example, wtf are they doing to snipers and Sparks? Example, Aimee’s snitch sometimes gives NO spotting experience whatsoever OR debilitation exp.
Pumpkiller
(Pumpkiller)
#34
@bgyoshi said:
@Pumpkiller said:
You’re underestimating how powerful words are.
@n-x said:
-Ranked is broke af this season? We complain about it. SD is assuring that Ranked is the heart of DB and blablabla and they really, really, really want to focus on it. Does this sound familiar? Because this happens since Season 1 without any significant changes.
-Everybody is annoyed by Proxys suicide pan cake delivery. The solution to this, that mines should only be shootable after they have been armed, has been suggested months ago, yet SD starts to fumble around with the explosion radius.
-View kick: nobody asked for it; nobody liked it, when it was introduced; nobody wants to keep it. Instead of removing it, what do they do? They start to tweak.
-DB was announced as a competitive game, in which you can compare your skills with others. Guns get fixed by RNG.It has all been said. There is hardly anything new anyone could say to any topic that has not already been said. SD knows our opinion about any topic, be it from the competitive community, from the casual community or from the beginners. If they haven’t decided to make a certain change then bitching a fifth time about it won’t change anything. The whole community just becomes more and more toxic.
Trust me, I’m not.
This thread isn’t directed at the few that haven’t been vocal and are now being so. It’s not a call to stop talking to the devs. It’s a call on the people who’ve been here for years and years, always making the same complaints day in and day out, refusing to quit playing or take a break.
Say all you want man but if people say “Ranked sucks” and SD notices a 20% increase in players from last season, they’re going to write it off as aimless complaining.
Money talks
Player stats talk
Words are just words; biased and often thoughtless.
Anyone who’s dealt with customer complaints knows that customers are usually stupid and their words should be ignored. If players and profits increase, then you’re doing it right. That’s how business works. They’ll take our words into consideration but in the end, all that matters are the numbers.
So hit the number when it becomes clear that your words aren’t getting through.
I can agree that statistics are everything for companies, what i don’t really agree on is that issues within their products should be downplayed or outright ignored because of that.
Corporations digits aren’t everything because, for example, they’re inflated by new players discovering things in games (and even there, they’re still losing them daily, nothing has been fixed in this side) and telling that they should ignore problems pointed out by their own community is the most disgusting and counterproductive thing i have read in the entire month. So, sorry, but i think them “haters” will stick to complaining for everyone’s best intrest, devs included.
Saying that the customer ignores everything about games is kind of a lie and an oversimplification seeing how experienced players sometimes have more insight than developpers when it comes down to how game mechanics work despite most of them not being very code savvy. It’s a special case where both experienced players and devs need each other. It’s simple, i’f devs don’t listen and act only on their own intrest, the more likely it will fail long term. Battlefront II is the first example that comes to my mind and i’m sure there’s better examples of that.
Meerkats
(Meerkats)
#35
@MuddyGrenade said:
Actively refusing to play other games as well as crapping all over the one game you actually “enjoy”? That’s like refusing to eat anything at a restaurant except for one thing on the menu, and then saying that one thing sucks.
Also what’s wrong with memes?
Dirty Bomb is a game that requires you to put effort into your gameplay. So how about the people that can’t be bothered to put in that effort go play the games that cater to them? Or understand they will get shit on by players who do put in the effort and just accept that as a fact of life instead of trying to diminish the skill gap?
Every other day I go into Discord and it’s, “I’m so bored, there’s nothing to play.” “Dirty Bomb placements?” “Finished, don’t want to play that shit game anymore.” “Overwatch?” “Not feeling it, especially after last time.” “R6: Siege?” “Runs like shit on my computer.” “Maybe just go to sleep.” “Yeah, good idea.”
These are players who place global elite and masters / grandmasters. Amazing dudes I can’t compete with.
People like me had one thing and people like you, despite having like a hundred completely viable options, had to come and ruin it.
In your analogy, that restaurant “I’m refusing to eat at” would be the only restaurant in the whole damn country that served waffles, which I would go to, with my friends, every single weekend, only to discover, this weekend, the waffles are being replaced with pancakes made from dog kibble cause that’s what telemetry indicates the new people like. I’m not saying it’s wrong to like dog kibble, hell, sometimes I want some dog kibble too; I’m just saying there are plenty of other restaurants that serve better dog kibble so stop fucking with my restaurant.
MuddyGrenade
(Muddy Muddy Mud Nade)
#36
@Meerkats said:
@MuddyGrenade said:
Actively refusing to play other games as well as crapping all over the one game you actually “enjoy”? That’s like refusing to eat anything at a restaurant except for one thing on the menu, and then saying that one thing sucks.
Also what’s wrong with memes?
Dirty Bomb is a game that requires you to put effort into your gameplay. So how about the people that can’t be bothered to put in that effort go play the games that cater to them? Or understand they will get @$!# on by players who do put in the effort and just accept that as a fact of life instead of trying to diminish the skill gap?Every other day I go into Discord and it’s, “I’m so bored, there’s nothing to play.” “Dirty Bomb placements?” “Finished, don’t want to play that @$!# game anymore.” “Overwatch?” “Not feeling it, especially after last time.” “R6: Siege?” “Runs like @$!# on my computer.” “Maybe just go to sleep.” “Yeah, good idea.”
People like me had one thing and people like you, despite having like a hundred completely viable options, had to come and ruin it.
In your analogy, that restaurant “I’m refusing to eat at” would be the only restaurant in the whole damn country that served waffles, which I would go to, with my friends, every single weekend, only to discover, this weekend, the waffles are being replaced with pancakes made from dog kibble cause that’s what telemetry indicates the new people like. I’m not saying it’s wrong to like dog kibble, hell, sometimes I want some dog kibble too; I’m just saying there are plenty of other restaurants that serve better dog kibble so stop @$!# with my restaurant.
People like me? What’s that supposed to mean? Are you saying that I came from Overwatch to come and crap all over this game? Well, you are incorrect, my good sir. I played Dirty Bomb LOOOOONG before I played Overwatch (and by “long” I mean like a year). I enjoy both games, and I’m not ashamed to admit that. Dirty Bomb is a better game overall, though. A lot less dopamine hits and a lot more self-fulfillment.
You can’t expect people who don’t “put effort,” as you say, into their gameplay to just up and quit the game, never to return just because you don’t have your perfect FPS experience. If that was the case, the game would be even more dead than it already is (even though it’s not dead, even if the game’s player numbers haven’t had a decent spike since like, 2016). The game would consist of veterans who are just trying to hold onto the competitive experience that the game gives when similar skill players are on both teams. I agree that Dirty Bomb should be about gunplay first, cosmetics and pretty much everything else comes second, but some people play for a different reason. Some people don’t hop in ready for hardcore experiences, they hop on because they want to play a few rounds and the hop off. Some people enjoy gambling because it hits them right in the dopamine spot (though, I don’t know of anyone who would do that and not be going through some kind of addiction treatment). Some people have a different idea of fun when it comes to video games, and there’s nothing wrong with that. The game may have been made for “people like you,” those who enjoy hardcore, FPS, skill-on-skill experiences, but like OP said, the game has changed. It doesn’t just completely ignore the gunplay, but you and I know that SD’s priorities lie elsewhere when it comes to developing and polishing the game. Whether that’s a good thing or not, we’ll have to wait and see.
But hey, if I “ruined” Dirty Bomb for you, you have my sincere apologies.
bgyoshi
(bgyoshi)
#37
@woodchip said:
Oh, and just lol at Yoshi’s ‘devs can do no wrong’ argument that the patch that was designed to reduce view kick actually increasing it is a good thing.
Yoshi: “I for one love the genius and totally deliberate decision to make aimpunch even more disruptive.”
“I’m glad the aimpunch nerf was actually an aimpunch buff because it helps mediocre aimers like me” goes too far beyond the fanboy call of duty.
You must have some skull so thick there isn’t any room for your brain.
Because apparently I’m praising the devs when I’m actively telling people to stop playing the game and stop giving SD money. Apparently I’m praising the devs when I say I’m not actively playing the game much. FANBOY
Yeeeesssssssss, praaaiiisssseeee
Ohhh I see, is this some reverse psychology ploy?
SHIT
The amount of effort you spend hunting down my threads to try and talk shit is incredible