Master Thread - Inevitable Javelin Thread

(bgyoshi) #1

Another new merc means another round of fresh complaints and praises and threats to quit forever. Post all Javelin-related stuff here. Topics include:

  • I thought this was a joke wtf SD
  • Didn’t you announce Javelin over a year ago wtf SD
  • Is Norway a real country I’ve never even heard of it wtf SD
  • WHY IS SHE SCREAMING SO LOUD WTF SD
  • Why didn’t you give Turtle a new gun too wtf SD
  • WHERE’S MY BALANCE PATCH WTF SD
  • FIX RANKED MATCHMAKING WTF SD
  • U RUINED DOME MY FAV MAP WTF SD
  • Why did you make better Nader wtf SD
  • Soldier for DB confirmed wtf SD
  • I OPENED A BILLION CW CASES AND GOT NOTHING I HATE YOU AND YOUR RNG EVENTS WTF SD

I’m sure there’s a lot more I can’t think of.

(Your worst knifemare.) #2
  • Why no beach skins SD!?
  • Phantom countering Javelin encourages melee Phantom SD!
  • Guided missles OP despite being able to be shot and Javelin vulnerablr while controlling it SD!
  • Tell us if Javelin and Nader are married SD.
(ImSploosh) #3

The majority of this update is pretty terrible. There’s too many things to name it all though. CMM is bad and I don’t even know about the balance yet. I can only hope things get sorted out soon, or this game is gonna go downhill, fast. :frowning:

EDIT: Also just found out you can’t choose the maps or region you want to play on/in. Not sure what’s up with that. Plus, there’s no way to choose what servers within your region you want to play in, like U.S. West or U.S. East. Wait times are also too long. Anything over 2 minutes is insane. Even that’s a bit long.

There’s tons more as well, but I just happened to notice that trying to get into a match. Wish they would have kept Obj servers and left “casual” matchmaking for stopwatch. Now there’s no way to play casually.

(watsyurdeal) #4

First impressions, people seem to be over exaggerating how annoying or op Javelin is, she has some cheesing potential sure, but that rocket launcher really only becomes a problem if you’re just being desperate for kills. You have time to run if she tries to shoot it at you, just go around a wall or corner, let her fire it, come back and mop up. Wam bam done.

(BlackboltLW) #5
  • WHY IS THE ROCKET GUIDANCE SO CONFUSING WTF SD
(BluPhenix) #6
  • Why does she give so much ammo at spawn. All those spawn ammo stations are now useless. WTF SD :slight_smile:
  • Where is the bug megathread WTF SD
  • Why is so easy to deliver ammo, no more “Ammo, Ammo, Ammo” shouting in the game. WTF SD
  • Why so easy to get ammo medals WTF SD
  • Why is she so hilarious and loud when snouting “Noobtoobio” or “This is harder than wolf ET” WTF SD
  • Why do I jump and almost shit my pants everytime she shouts “Reloadinggg”. WTF SD
(Melinder) #7

@watsyurdeal said:
First impressions, people seem to be over exaggerating how annoying or op Javelin is, she has some cheesing potential sure, but that rocket launcher really only becomes a problem if you’re just being desperate for kills. You have time to run if she tries to shoot it at you, just go around a wall or corner, let her fire it, come back and mop up. Wam bam done.

The Proxy strat is nearly unavoidable. Knife out, long jump, pull out the rocket launcher and start charging, wall jump past your target as the rocket fires.

I do like the rocket, as it was a much needed addition to the game, as defensive setups can be ridiculously annoying to break… though there is no denying the pub cheese this weapon has. The amount of quad rockets I’ve already gotten simply by hiding behind a wall, waiting for enemies to push up and shooting it into their spawn.

(watsyurdeal) #8

@Melinder said:

@watsyurdeal said:
First impressions, people seem to be over exaggerating how annoying or op Javelin is, she has some cheesing potential sure, but that rocket launcher really only becomes a problem if you’re just being desperate for kills. You have time to run if she tries to shoot it at you, just go around a wall or corner, let her fire it, come back and mop up. Wam bam done.

The Proxy strat is nearly unavoidable. Knife out, long jump, pull out the rocket launcher and start charging, wall jump past your target as the rocket fires.

I do like the rocket, as it was a much needed addition to the game, as defensive setups can be ridiculously annoying to break… though there is no denying the pub cheese this weapon has. The amount of quad rockets I’ve already gotten simply by hiding behind a wall, waiting for enemies to push up and shooting it into their spawn.

Sure, but I’ve done that with friggin Skyhammmer, I would say the most that’d need changing is reducing splash damage on it somehow. But keeping everything else as is.

(TheStrangerous) #9
  • Curving the rocket?! Mark Millar gonna sue you for stealing his idea, form the “Wanted” comics.
  • Why does Javelin gets down when killed?

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! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5K7aY-_b9sk

(bgyoshi) #10

After playing Jav quite a bit:

! The Aura-style ammo deployment should be a Phoenix-style deployment in that you push E to send ammo out in a radius, instead of it being automatic. I’m all for having an on-the-go AoE ammo merc, but there should be SOME measure of use to it. However, if you’re adamant about keeping it automatic, then cut the XP earned by some amount. I’ve been top-scoring without doing much beyond running around reloading everyone. Doing the same thing with Skybutt or one of the ammo station mercs nets a TON less XP.
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! Rocket needs to be less useful. What I mean by that is that it needs to be damn good at killing, like it is, but it seems WAY better at removing RedEye smoke than all other explosives are, and it should do less damage to secondary objectives than it currently does. I could sit there with a nader, fragger, and fletcher spamming a secondary objective to burn their abilities, or just shoot the same thing with a single javelin rocket. That doesn’t make sense. The EV damage seems just fine though. Less utility, same killing power.
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! I’d advocate for changing the rocket charge to acting more like a Fragger cook. She should be able to cook the rocket to an extent. So instead of a fixed 1 second delay between pushing the trigger and firing, there should be instead a way to hold it so that the rocket fires upon release of the mouse. That being said, nerfing her movement like hell is required. Even without the cooking mechanic, she should be slowed down to Fragger cook levels of speed, but I do like the caveat that she can ‘prime’ the rocket and fire when ready. She should only be able to hold onto it for a single extra second, though, before it fires automatically. That way you can’t just prime it and run around until you surprise someone, but you can also cancel firing it if you no longer need it. Cancelling the rocket should come with an automatic 4 second cooldown.
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! SCAR-H SHAR-C is a good and balanced weapon. It feels more like the blishlok SHOULD feel.
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! Dat axe.

TL;DR

  • Press E to deploy ammo radius, like Phoenix’s healing ability
  • Less rocket utility. Make it weaker vs smoke and secondary objectives (generators)
  • Rocket firing timer cooking that can be cancelled (with nerfs)
  • Move a lot slower while charging/firing rocket
  • Rocket cooking can be held max for 1 extra second
  • Cancelling rocket triggers 4 second cooldown
  • Cooking rocket doesn’t make it blow up early, it just means it fires when you release the mouse, instead of instantly
  • SHAR-C is good and fair
  • Dat axe.
(watsyurdeal) #11

*Firing a rocket disables jumping

  • Firing a rocket, or having it equipped slows you down
  • She’s says her voice lines before firing the rocket, “panzer fuck you”, then the rocket comes.

Just those things alone would help IMMENSELY

(GatoCommodore) #12

@TheStrangerous said:

  • Curving the rocket?! Mark Millar gonna sue you for stealing his idea, form the “Wanted” >comics.

im just gonna ignore the video you put in the spoiler

Wanted is cool tho…

(Szakalot) #13

maybe making the rocket less likely to instagib would help a lot as well. It definitely helped a lot with fragger, instagib is just overall a bad mechanic in the game, for such short-fuse abilities.

(OwynTyler) #14

@bgyoshi said:
SHAR-C is good and fair

It spreads like hell without iron sights

(bgyoshi) #15

@OwynTyler said:

It spreads like hell without iron sights

It’s powerful, it should

Now if we can convince them to make the blishlok similar…

(TheStrangerous) #16
  • It does not go like a rocket because I already have rockets that go like rocket because that is what they are
(Sorotia) #17

@watsyurdeal said:
First impressions, people seem to be over exaggerating how annoying or op Javelin is, she has some cheesing potential sure, but that rocket launcher really only becomes a problem if you’re just being desperate for kills. You have time to run if she tries to shoot it at you, just go around a wall or corner, let her fire it, come back and mop up. Wam bam done.

They said the same thing about Stoker…how OP he is…how powerful his ability is…his ability rewards panic play…ect ect…

People just like to complain about things that kill you…just been a while since we got a merc who has a ability that can directly kill you.