[map release] norwegian battery b6 (final beta)

IRATA · 2014-05-18 21:02:57 UTC

True … it isn’t required but also no big deal to add. However the map is missing background noise.

anon96144471 · 2014-05-19 07:18:17 UTC

I did get a bad rep!!!

anon96144471 · 2014-05-19 07:19:28 UTC

but then delete my account, no need to store data

stealth6 · 2014-05-19 08:10:55 UTC

Is this map being played on a server? With all this drama I want to see what all the fuss is about

anon96144471 · 2014-05-19 13:44:56 UTC

It feelt like I was outside the community from the beginning,

then I asked another mapper from here for help, He did never take it seriously, he did put bugs in it that was bigger than empire state building…
Thats called trolling…
so I faced him, and asked directly in a mail: are you trying to troll me?
he answeared: nope, did gave my best, good luck with the map in the future

Its still not clear if he did try to troll me or not, but he did never give his best anyway, becouse this kinda big bugs dont exist in HIS maps.
I can release a unsencored version of b4 direct from him…
b3 also

but still it just feels like the mappers only wanna destroy for each other…
If they had missiles would the bomb the others pcs to prevent other maps?

whatever, as no one give a fukking **** for my maps, or my questions here, IS MY conclusion: Im not a part of this, or this is just a place where you can do whatever you want, scream dont listen… no one cares?

and I also get bad reps for everything and nothing!!!
with the most stupiest comments…

so im outside the community?

and then WHEN I GIVE someone a bad rep, he directly wanna point at that Im an idiot?
who cant take critics

and he? can he take critics as a bad rep? -nope

the servers that have run my map:

(rank 24)
–Comment: they used b4, and I hope the players not did had a bad experience of the server as b4 never was tested with players…

//
//SECRET SERVER
//
–Comment: after that I released b4, full of bugs, did $A$ team from Quarkclan test the map with competitive gameplay, and I heard that the doc run was to short, and the battery had to few entrences… fixed the gameplaypart and other stuff. fixed a better atmophere, added more dirty trickjump for fun, and yeh released b5
KeMoN commented my map as a map with to high ambient and a lack of realistic atmophere,
released b6… and I had also followed $A$ team when they did break out from quark… just becouse they where friendly, not becouse they did test the map siriously… whatever, the new community had a server and the owner did put the map into it, becouse he feeled it was good…

then I did make a thread here, and the only thing I noticed was that I getting offended, some kind of disguised way…

Teuthis · 2014-05-19 16:08:35 UTC

Here comes my last (and I mean last) attempt to calm this situation down.

after reading all this drama back and forth I see no reason why anyone is trying to exclude you from anything. No idea what you mean with that you didn’t receive the help you wanted in this Forum (my experience is extremely the opposite). I also did not give you a bad reputation (what I definitely could have done) because I think this situation is not worth it. Of course I can take criticism, in fact I appreciate if people criticize me because it helps me to improve. I also accept your criticism but you are nor criticizing, you are attacking. Giving someone a bad reputation because he criticized you is in your opinion worth a bad reputation? Only if you didn’t understand the meaning of critic, which is to help and not to fool you. You might notice that this is a fine line and if people don’t help you or criticize you, just take it as it is or just ignore it if you feel better. I have no bad feelings about you at all (maybe I’m getting to old for this kindergarden stuff). I just think you are blowing something here. You are reminding me of a cat that scratches people with borderline reason and that then complains that no one want to play with it. You can be sure I will never comment on a post from you because you can’t stand anything else except complements. I hope your map is going to a hit. If not, you can just claim that this forum turned the world upside down to compromise you getting the nobel prize.

hope someone closes this post ASAP.

Micha · 2014-05-19 16:10:59 UTC

You make to much drama about it. Each person can give critism and it seems that some ppl tried to give advise on something they noticed on your map.
Just leave it like this now and just post about your map.

Nice to see a new map.

Stuff I noticed testing your map (b6):

scripts/ arena file: longname “^1Norwegian ^7Battery^4b6”
Put a “space” between “battery” and “b6” (just for the look)

Allies first spawn: Maybe add the crickets sounds there too? It is so quiet

Allies spawn moving left the way up and gone left: There is a axis door and I lost myself in the corridor. Maybe add some lights there?

I noticed you made it possible to jump up to the hills. I like itbut I think you should clip the hills and the house on allies spawn because it can be used to spawnkill from top (heavy spawnkill).

I wish you would clip the huge hill at the downside of the map (at the sea).

The doors at “the gate” and upper at the command post is moving so fast. Better slower it

The gun controll looks nice but would be better with some stairs so we can look out.

Mateos · 2014-05-19 18:46:21 UTC

As of me, I already let you know I had an important exam, thus I couldn’t at least play ET before that Saturday; That’s why I haven’t given feedback yet.

People doesn’t always reply or know what to reply. A very example in one of your post: you pointed on my map the road was black… But nobody posted this fact on any topic I posted about the release on the Internet, excepted KeMoN through the IRC

I will test your map and let you know my feelings about it

I planned to send this by PM, but I think it will be better here, if this drama ever happens again:
@Teuthis Eighteen weeks can be enough to build a very good map, and to convince you I can take a special example being Pirates, the winning map of… a speed mapping contest (I think its length was 1 week or something like this?).
OK, participants was experienced mappers, but it is possible when you plan your map and know what to do and what you want to map very quickly. Even for beginners

Mateos · 2014-05-19 19:27:33 UTC

Double-post to keep things well-seperated:

FPS are good! While flying as spec I get 42k tris, so while playing it is always lower, can’t be better ^^
The noise on the beach is nice, the side with rock and the grassy top could be reworked to be noisy too
You can use SimonOC tutorial about texture blending on several parts, like between the dirt path and grass or the rock at the seaside and the sandy bottom of the sea
Shadows are nice, a bit raw on edges, phong shading could help, used with blending as suggested would be neat!
As Irata pointed, the map is really silent. I thought about a silent night, but it feels really weird to play through a map that silent o.o
Command Map is nice (little typo: made and not maded).
Respawn time of 20 is fine too
I see you’ve forbidden the use of landmines on the road, nice
There’s a double-door near an Allied Spawn where you have to jump to get through it, this shouldn’t be required
In teh same interior, the lights can block the player while jumping, I suggest to raise a bit the ceiling, if possible; Also, these lights are supposed to be longer, not squared (see the texture)
The lights in the wooden room doesn’t have the bulbs (also missing in Supply if you see what I mean); There again, you have to jump to get back to the corridor.
I like the overhaul trenchy style and the houses with the night atmosphere, nicely done Wooden and rocky passages too!
Light intensity in interiors seems (too) strong in houses
You can skip the dynamitable wooden barrier by jumping on the roofs.

stealth6 · 2014-05-19 19:44:15 UTC

There is a piece of invisible wall on the back of the bunker with the gun in it.
I think you forgot to include the .prt file in the pk3
I think you could improve the looks of the map by making the ocean have more waves and the terrain blend.(rock blends into grass)
The map is really bright. Try ambient 8 and then add more lights to tunnels that are too dark. (like lights on the walls)

Here is a shader for the water:


textures/ove/water
{
	nocompress
	qer_editorimage textures/liquids_sd/sea_bright_na.tga
	qer_trans .7
	q3map_globaltexture
	surfaceparm trans
	surfaceparm nonsolid
	surfaceparm water
	surfaceparm nomarks
	cull disable
	nopicmip
	nofog

	deformVertexes wave 160 sin 0 16 0 0.3
	q3map_tessSize 384
	waterfogvars ( 0.11 0.13 0.15 ) 0.2
	q3map_tcGen ivector ( 0 1024 0 ) ( -1024 0 0 )
	{ 
		map textures/liquids_sd/sea_bright_na.tga
		blendFunc blend
		rgbGen identity
		alphaGen const 0.8
		tcmod scroll 0.005 0.03
	}
	{
      map $lightmap
      rgbGen identity
      blendFunc filter
   }  
}

EDIT: Almost forgot you don’t need 2 brushes for the ocean. Just 1 with nodraw_water on all sides except the top. On the top face place the texture you want.

Mateos · 2014-05-19 19:52:04 UTC

The .prt isn’t required afaik, used by GtkRadiant plugin only?

stealth6 · 2014-05-19 21:39:52 UTC

Just tested it you’re right. TIL

In that case I think you need to check your portals again. When I’m in allied spawn I can see trees and houses on the far side of the map. That’s why I thought you were missing the .prt file, but seems like the portals aren’t done very well. If you move around the map with r_showtris 2 most of the map is constantly drawn. (Also proved by the 35K+? tris as mentioned by Mateos)

anon96144471 · 2014-05-20 07:51:13 UTC

[QUOTE=Teuthis;497867]Here comes my last (and I mean last) attempt to calm this situation down.

after reading all this drama back and forth I see no reason why anyone is trying to exclude you from anything. No idea what you mean with that you didn’t receive the help you wanted in this Forum (my experience is extremely the opposite). I also did not give you a bad reputation (what I definitely could have done) because I think this situation is not worth it. Of course I can take criticism, in fact I appreciate if people criticize me because it helps me to improve. I also accept your criticism but you are nor criticizing, you are attacking. Giving someone a bad reputation because he criticized you is in your opinion worth a bad reputation? Only if you didn’t understand the meaning of critic, which is to help and not to fool you. You might notice that this is a fine line and if people don’t help you or criticize you, just take it as it is or just ignore it if you feel better. I have no bad feelings about you at all (maybe I’m getting to old for this kindergarden stuff). I just think you are blowing something here. You are reminding me of a cat that scratches people with borderline reason and that then complains that no one want to play with it. You can be sure I will never comment on a post from you because you can’t stand anything else except complements. I hope your map is going to a hit. If not, you can just claim that this forum turned the world upside down to compromise you getting the nobel prize.

hope someone closes this post ASAP.[/QUOTE]

Sorry, but ok, understand. -OK

[QUOTE=Micha;497868]You make to much drama about it. Each person can give critism and it seems that some ppl tried to give advise on something they noticed on your map.
Just leave it like this now and just post about your map.

Nice to see a new map.

Stuff I noticed testing your map (b6):

scripts/ arena file: longname “^1Norwegian ^7Battery^4b6”
Put a “space” between “battery” and “b6” (just for the look)

Allies first spawn: Maybe add the crickets sounds there too? It is so quiet

Allies spawn moving left the way up and gone left: There is a axis door and I lost myself in the corridor. Maybe add some lights there?

I noticed you made it possible to jump up to the hills. I like itbut I think you should clip the hills and the house on allies spawn because it can be used to spawnkill from top (heavy spawnkill).

I wish you would clip the huge hill at the downside of the map (at the sea).

The doors at “the gate” and upper at the command post is moving so fast. Better slower it

The gun controll looks nice but would be better with some stairs so we can look out.[/QUOTE]

Okey, but I like to make heavy spawnkills…
I will see what I can do + add stairs so you can look out

[QUOTE=Mateos;497883]As of me, I already let you know I had an important exam, thus I couldn’t at least play ET before that Saturday; That’s why I haven’t given feedback yet.

People doesn’t always reply or know what to reply. A very example in one of your post: you pointed on my map the road was black… But nobody posted this fact on any topic I posted about the release on the Internet, excepted KeMoN through the IRC

I will test your map and let you know my feelings about it

I planned to send this by PM, but I think it will be better here, if this drama ever happens again:
@Teuthis Eighteen weeks can be enough to build a very good map, and to convince you I can take a special example being Pirates, the winning map of… a speed mapping contest (I think its length was 1 week or something like this?).
OK, participants was experienced mappers, but it is possible when you plan your map and know what to do and what you want to map very quickly. Even for beginners :)[/QUOTE]

Right, make a map in a week, Its becoming genius fast when you use gtkgensurf and the camera window + coffe (mouch)

[QUOTE=Mateos;497885]Double-post to keep things well-seperated:

FPS are good! While flying as spec I get 42k tris, so while playing it is always lower, can’t be better ^^
The noise on the beach is nice, the side with rock and the grassy top could be reworked to be noisy too
You can use SimonOC tutorial about texture blending on several parts, like between the dirt path and grass or the rock at the seaside and the sandy bottom of the sea
Shadows are nice, a bit raw on edges, phong shading could help, used with blending as suggested would be neat!
As Irata pointed, the map is really silent. I thought about a silent night, but it feels really weird to play through a map that silent o.o
Command Map is nice (little typo: made and not maded).
Respawn time of 20 is fine too
I see you’ve forbidden the use of landmines on the road, nice
There’s a double-door near an Allied Spawn where you have to jump to get through it, this shouldn’t be required
In teh same interior, the lights can block the player while jumping, I suggest to raise a bit the ceiling, if possible; Also, these lights are supposed to be longer, not squared (see the texture)
The lights in the wooden room doesn’t have the bulbs (also missing in Supply if you see what I mean); There again, you have to jump to get back to the corridor.
I like the overhaul trenchy style and the houses with the night atmosphere, nicely done Wooden and rocky passages too!
Light intensity in interiors seems (too) strong in houses
You can skip the dynamitable wooden barrier by jumping on the roofs.[/QUOTE]

yep thank mAhla (IIRC) for the respawn time
light intensity will be lowered- OK
to jump on roofs, yes ofcourse, but you’re a big sign with the text shoot me when you do it…
(It was maded just for fun, I mean play fueldump… (engy + covert ops)

[QUOTE=stealth6;497886]There is a piece of invisible wall on the back of the bunker with the gun in it.
I think you forgot to include the .prt file in the pk3
I think you could improve the looks of the map by making the ocean have more waves and the terrain blend.(rock blends into grass)
The map is really bright. Try ambient 8 and then add more lights to tunnels that are too dark. (like lights on the walls)

Here is a shader for the water:


textures/ove/water
{
	nocompress
	qer_editorimage textures/liquids_sd/sea_bright_na.tga
	qer_trans .7
	q3map_globaltexture
	surfaceparm trans
	surfaceparm nonsolid
	surfaceparm water
	surfaceparm nomarks
	cull disable
	nopicmip
	nofog

	deformVertexes wave 160 sin 0 16 0 0.3
	q3map_tessSize 384
	waterfogvars ( 0.11 0.13 0.15 ) 0.2
	q3map_tcGen ivector ( 0 1024 0 ) ( -1024 0 0 )
	{ 
		map textures/liquids_sd/sea_bright_na.tga
		blendFunc blend
		rgbGen identity
		alphaGen const 0.8
		tcmod scroll 0.005 0.03
	}
	{
      map $lightmap
      rgbGen identity
      blendFunc filter
   }  
}

EDIT: Almost forgot you don’t need 2 brushes for the ocean. Just 1 with nodraw_water on all sides except the top. On the top face place the texture you want.[/QUOTE]

thanks

anon96144471 · 2014-05-20 07:57:52 UTC

but stealth6…

it uses ambient 10, will ambient 8 make diffrence?

stealth6 · 2014-05-20 09:49:25 UTC

I suggest to just try it with -light faster (should take less than 1 minute to compile). Then you can see the difference for yourself and see if it’s worth it.

Mateos · 2014-05-20 17:32:58 UTC

Radar has an ambient value of 18, and it is a night map; I was more shocked by the sunny day inside the houses than the exterior (the shadows are fine imho).

I had 42k+ tris while flying as spec, again.

acQu · 2014-05-23 05:20:32 UTC

I don’t get the drama. Can’t get anything too wrong about what Teuthis said …

I would be glad to have received that much feedback for my mod (when i put up an actual playable alpha version of it) …

anon96144471 · 2014-05-23 07:40:22 UTC

No it doesnt look that bad…

But what about if I reply to your thread and make a stupidcomment like:
Haha, have you worked 1 year?, you should delete everything, go back and make something interesting!

Do you like what I say?
Your mod is fukked up acQu! -make a new try, and show us quality instead!
-then? When someone offend you like this…
-can you give him a bad rep?

-genau! Jawhol!

And you give him a bad rep!
Jawhol!

And then the “Knallköpf” act soooooo innocent!
-what? A bad rep to me? Im totally innocent, havent doneanything bros!

AND THEN I GET EVEN MORE BAD REPS! BECOUSE I DID GAVE HIM EXACTLY 1

that was my first bad rep I GAVE ever!
I get plenty of bad reps

will try to release the source later this week, I dont feel for making a final version

the .map file will be totally free to use, and it will work as a tutorial about triggered capturing of spawns, lighting, ladders, teamdoors, doc-run and dynamite-able objective. (also obj_cameras

anon96144471 · 2014-05-23 07:53:30 UTC

acQu?

But you mean that you should be glad if you need to bump the fukking thread to get 2 comments?
And no feedback?

Look at the first page!
Its filled with a fukking argue!
And a **************** that tries to “take the heat out of thread”
Wtf! THERE WASNT ANY HEAT AT ALL IN THE FUKKING *********¡
NOW it is, or was?
…

Come on! Give me bad reps!
I want five red stars bitches!

acQu · 2014-05-23 13:06:56 UTC

Say “Knallkopp” not “Knallköpf” ^^

Was a 3 day bump, geez. I just felt i had to say this: be glad that there was some feedback. And that one “wrong” feedback threw you off that much? As i know, there was a good amount of feedback, also in the wolfteam forums. This is more valuable than nothing That is all i wanted to say … i speak from my own experience here, because better some and the one wrong feedback, than total ignorance, for whatever reason … maybe you can see this point, maybe not, just something i wanted to comment on …

Vote for close, as this is totally getting out of hand …

[map release] norwegian battery b6 (final beta)

You make to much drama about it. Each person can give critism and it seems that some ppl tried to give advise on something they noticed on your map. Just leave it like this now and just post about your map.

[QUOTE=Micha;497868]You make to much drama about it. Each person can give critism and it seems that some ppl tried to give advise on something they noticed on your map. Just leave it like this now and just post about your map.

You make to much drama about it. Each person can give critism and it seems that some ppl tried to give advise on something they noticed on your map.
Just leave it like this now and just post about your map.

[QUOTE=Micha;497868]You make to much drama about it. Each person can give critism and it seems that some ppl tried to give advise on something they noticed on your map.
Just leave it like this now and just post about your map.