LulzSec Busted

[its_al_bout_security]

[QUOTE=BioSnark;343559]Do I think he should be executed? Certainly not. Capital punishment with an imperfect legal system is a bad idea in the best of times. Killing people for hacking stuff up is just stupid, regardless of how under prosecuted the crime may be.

I would discuss this further but I’m scurrd of dem omg @politix ban hammers, onoez! :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

meh who doesnt like torture,its fun can even be rated E if done right.

i demand his execution, he made stuff bad!

not really that dumb yes?

i was really just trying to get the gist of that his punishment should be rather severe, we are talking MILLIONS IN DAMAGE.

[Shadowcat]

@funsize: No doubt a reliable source…?

Unless you’re saying that Lulzsec is lying for some kind of propaganda campaign, then i should think that their personal twitter page would be a reliable source for who was actually caught.

[BioSnark]

eh, because they’d be backstabbers not to minimize his role?

[DarkangelUK]

that’s a naughty insinuation i am your average fat hamburger eating american that doesnt bathe nor takes care of any hygene need!

Just a friendly dig at the American use of “I could care less” when the saying is really “I couldn’t care less”

OT: Even if the ring leader of LS got busted, no one would admit he actually was… deny everything.

[Smoochy]

yeah, it was their IRC hosting guy. i guess they will charge him with facilitating. these anti-terrorism charges might mean he gets treated like a terrorist. oh dear, poor little script kiddie is gonna get some jailtime in the big house. they will eat him for dinner!

[Smoochy]

[QUOTE=DarkangelUK;343579]Just a friendly dig at the American use of “I could care less” when the saying is really “I couldn’t care less”

OT: Even if the ring leader of LS got busted, no one would admit he actually was… deny everything.[/QUOTE]

aw leave them alone. they dont understand the semantics of the language too well. hence all the double negatives they speak.

[Shadowcat]

[QUOTE=DarkangelUK;343579]Just a friendly dig at the American use of “I could care less” when the saying is really “I couldn’t care less”

OT: Even if the ring leader of LS got busted, no one would admit he actually was… deny everything.[/QUOTE]

They’re a branch of anon, even if a ring leader was caught, its like cutting the head off of a hydra. I don’t see anyone at Lulzsec covering it up if that were the case, they could just say “good job mates, only dozens of independent branches to go”. There’s no reason to lie because it wouldn’t matter either way.

I don’t support them at all, but in this case, clinging to “they might be lying” isn’t the best course of action. All of the news articles are very lean on facts and high in speculation. Lots of terms like “suspected”, “allegedly”, “authorities believe”, and yet no quotes of those authorities.

Beyond that, LS gains nothing by lying. I don’t think that a 19 y/o is going to plead the 5th to protect his hacker friends. It will eventually come to light who he really was, and if he really is a ring leader then LS looks weaker for having to hide it. Besides, why would the public image of an underground organization matter in the first place?

On the other hand, the authorities and news groups DO have something to gain by spreading a false story. The authorities get to look like they are doing something, capture a potential witness, and be put in a much better light than having to say they captured a 19 y/o ICQ server owner. The news gets to have a juicy story even if the facts don’t quite line up. As long as they are printing what they are told off the record, they aren’t lying.

[kamikazee]

[QUOTE=its al bout security;343551]not really but honestly i have problems with these kind of people that do damage for well “the lulz” that is the stupidest crap i have ever heard of, pretty similar to saying, oh yeah i saw your girlfriend walking down the street and decided she was ugly so i killed her… for the lulz you know?[/QUOTE]There’s a huge difference between killing someone and wasting the time of system administrators and users who are sitting comfy behind their PC.

Even making the comparison is way creepy…

[BioSnark]

Beyond that, LS gains nothing by lying. I don’t think that a 19 y/o is going to plead the 5th to protect his hacker friends. It will eventually come to light who he really was, and if he really is a ring leader then LS looks weaker for having to hide it. Besides, why would the public image of an underground organization matter in the first place?

The first part of that reasoning is based on assumptions that, even if it were correct, do not represent a reason to for a criminal organization to incriminate a compromised member. Your final point here contradicts the previous. There are no neutral, accurate sources of information, here. It’s as unfounded to latch onto one and call it true as it is the other because they both have reason to withhold or alter the facts.

[Shadowcat]

The first part of that reasoning is based on assumptions that, even if it were correct, do not represent a reason to for a criminal organization to incriminate a compromised member. Your final point here contradicts the previous. There are no neutral, accurate sources of information, here. It’s as unfounded to latch onto one and call it true as it is the other because they both have reason to withhold or alter the facts.

In this case, I’m latching on to the primary source that has a clear-cut definite answer and doubting the news which is secondary source that is exclusively using non-definite words and lacks any quotes or citations. The fact that the news/authorities seemingly have more reason to bend the truth is just an extra argument in my favor.

[BioSnark]

As I said, there’s ample reason for all parties to lie. It’s ultimately up to you if you choose to view one as credible, however.