and the remburg. one shot to the torso and its sayonara, kiratana.
Kiratana is the new meta
Diosito
(Diosito)
#25
I love Kyra+Katana, but more than 2 Kyras “using” katanas is pretty much like 2-3 Vassilis in your team: useless most of the time, but “hilarious” (?) if you ask them…
Abbadon
abaddon
Amerika
(Amerika)
#26
[quote=“Cuck;184392”][quote=“Sorotia;184359”][quote=“Cuck;184324”][quote=“Scav;184321”][quote=“B. Montiel;184239”]Since they added the rotation speed limit during melee attacks, that’s the first time melee weapons are enjoyable and almost efficient (in most cases, you’d still be more efficient by firing than rushing then melee).
Of course, there are kira’s katana loadouts which are currently in my personal top tier for her (mostly for double time and explodydendron on Dreiss/Stark), but they’ve also added interesting loadouts with good melee capabilities on other mercs (cricket bat + quick slash on proxy is a good amount of fun).
I think, beside the fact that the rotation speed limit could be improved to be less cumbersome, they’ve done nice additions to “promote” melee back again.[/quote]
Proxy did have a quick slash bat loadout, and she also had the quick slash beckhill loadout. Aura used to have chopper, kira used to have chopper, bushwaker used to have quick slash, sparks used to have chopper, and so on. If anything, this latest ‘patch’ of gen 2 was a rather antimelee one, apart from the Phantom changes and Kira getting the weebstick. Shes not OP at all, but insanely fun since even the “more experienced” players rely on guns and are not used to melee.
I personally love it. Wish the kurki wasnt so bad.[/quote]
i wish dirty bomb apply recoil, melee damage etc based on the merc physique…[/quote]
Then wouldn’t Rhino just about 1 shot any merc in melee? 
[/quote]
getting bashed by a huge man with a cricket bat will guarantee you to be instantly incapacitated or even death by blunt trauma.[/quote]
Wel, Dirty Bomb is a video game and it’s not trying to be a sim. So gameplay is balanced around what is fun and not how heavy/strong one merc is compared to another.
KUST_LunarTM
(KUST__LunarTM)
#27
[quote=“Amerika;184879”][quote=“Cuck;184392”][quote=“Sorotia;184359”][quote=“Cuck;184324”][quote=“Scav;184321”][quote=“B. Montiel;184239”]Since they added the rotation speed limit during melee attacks, that’s the first time melee weapons are enjoyable and almost efficient (in most cases, you’d still be more efficient by firing than rushing then melee).
Of course, there are kira’s katana loadouts which are currently in my personal top tier for her (mostly for double time and explodydendron on Dreiss/Stark), but they’ve also added interesting loadouts with good melee capabilities on other mercs (cricket bat + quick slash on proxy is a good amount of fun).
I think, beside the fact that the rotation speed limit could be improved to be less cumbersome, they’ve done nice additions to “promote” melee back again.[/quote]
Proxy did have a quick slash bat loadout, and she also had the quick slash beckhill loadout. Aura used to have chopper, kira used to have chopper, bushwaker used to have quick slash, sparks used to have chopper, and so on. If anything, this latest ‘patch’ of gen 2 was a rather antimelee one, apart from the Phantom changes and Kira getting the weebstick. Shes not OP at all, but insanely fun since even the “more experienced” players rely on guns and are not used to melee.
I personally love it. Wish the kurki wasnt so bad.[/quote]
i wish dirty bomb apply recoil, melee damage etc based on the merc physique…[/quote]
Then wouldn’t Rhino just about 1 shot any merc in melee? [/quote]
getting bashed by a huge man with a cricket bat will guarantee you to be instantly incapacitated or even death by blunt trauma.[/quote]
Wel, Dirty Bomb is a video game and it’s not trying to be a sim. So gameplay is balanced around what is fun and not how heavy/strong one merc is compared to another.[/quote]
God forbid any of our games imitate reality too much.
_retired
(_retired_)
#29
-Amerika, May 31st 2016.
So it’s not balanced around the skillful players trying to take it even mildly seriously or competitive tactical play but instead of “fun” preferably to pubstomping of noobs based into experiences of certain players in pubs who are “good with all weapons but just have preferrence towards the most op available”.
Got it.
[quote=“DexterGrif;185146”]Its a meta that doesn’t suck
[/quote]
I think you claimed that Br in current state is balanced so that makes your whole opinion totally invalid.
KUST_LunarTM
(KUST__LunarTM)
#30
Kiratana is fun and unexpected. If you’ve got experience with doing melee only with Proxy or Phantom, you can do pretty well with Kiratana. You can even hold up entire teams in pub matches going Katana only. Needless to say, when it comes to ranked, you put your fun classes and playstyles away.
Phantom should have gotten a speed buff…
Amerika
(Amerika)
#31
-Amerika, May 31st 2016.
So it’s not balanced around the skillful players trying to take it even mildly seriously or competitive tactical play but instead of “fun” preferably to pubstomping of noobs based into experiences of certain players in pubs who are “good with all weapons but just have preferrence towards the most op available”.
Got it.
[quote=“DexterGrif;185146”]Its a meta that doesn’t suck
[/quote]
I think you claimed that Br in current state is balanced so that makes your whole opinion totally invalid.[/quote]
@retired Excuse me? Exactly how does your response make sense compared to mine? I was saying that the game isn’t taking real life into consideration in regards to balance. The devs wanted an equal playing field for some mechanics to keep balance consistent in those areas. I’m not sure how Rhino crushing somebody with a melee attack in DB makes a game more “tactical” or makes somebody more serious about playing it. So could you please explain yourself here?
Also, you’re going into the realm of personal attacks for no reason. Stop now.
_retired
(_retired_)
#32
[quote=“Amerika;185236”]@retired Excuse me? Exactly how does your response make sense compared to mine? I was saying that the game isn’t taking real life into consideration in regards to balance. The devs wanted an equal playing field for some mechanics to keep balance consistent in those areas. I’m not sure how Rhino crushing somebody with a melee attack in DB makes a game more “tactical” or makes somebody more serious about playing it. So could you please explain yourself here?[/quote]That’s probably then your fault, phrasing it like that or it could be my english.
It does sound like you compare merc’s strenghts towards each other and not game vs. realism
[quote=“Amerika;185236”]Also, you’re going into the realm of personal attacks for no reason. Stop now.[/quote]I was just telling what is the difference between reality and fantasy considering people and their thoughts. Unfortunate that some people take it personally.
Of course since I heard your opinion of Stark on stoker as you like to pubstomp with it and then tell people how they get so salty, it makes kind of your opinions totally invalid in everything related to DB for me.
It’s possible you take it personally, but it’s the reality.
Amerika
(Amerika)
#33
[quote=“retired;185261”][quote=“Amerika;185236”]@retired Excuse me? Exactly how does your response make sense compared to mine? I was saying that the game isn’t taking real life into consideration in regards to balance. The devs wanted an equal playing field for some mechanics to keep balance consistent in those areas. I’m not sure how Rhino crushing somebody with a melee attack in DB makes a game more “tactical” or makes somebody more serious about playing it. So could you please explain yourself here?[/quote]That’s probably then your fault, phrasing it like that or it could be my english.
It does sound like you compare merc’s strenghts towards each other and not game vs. realism
[quote=“Amerika;185236”]Also, you’re going into the realm of personal attacks for no reason. Stop now.[/quote]I was just telling what is the difference between reality and fantasy considering people and their thoughts. Unfortunate that some people take it personally.
Of course since I heard your opinion of Stark on stoker as you like to pubstomp with it and then tell people how they get so salty, it makes kind of your opinions totally invalid in everything related to DB for me.
It’s possible you take it personally, but it’s the reality.
[/quote]
@retired I have over a hundred hours of me using virtually every weapon/merc in the game. You saw a video of me using a Stark, ignored my About page, and never asked me about my competitive gaming/tournament history. And then started this super weird vendetta against me as if I’m the focal point for your rage against everything wrong with burst rifles from your subjective opinion. All because I made a post about nerfing them in the correct way as opposed to nerfing them so hard they should no longer be a choice. I do understand now that it’s possibly due to the language barrier as you might have skimmed my posts and made assumptions about what I was saying. Then assumed I was saying they are perfectly fine when in reality I talked about why they are situationally great and that I want them toned down correctly so that they don’t end up making the m4, again, the default choice as the easiest and best gun in all situations. Of course this doesn’t excuse your outright personal attacks either way.
So your vendetta is just weird and sad from my perspective. I’m not sorry that I don’t share your rage and instead choose to articulately explain my viewpoint while citing written and video examples to further explain my logic path. That’s, in part, why my videos exist. To use as talking points and examples of how good/bad something is in average situations all while being a kind of slice of life thing for what I was playing at that point in my life. I’m OK with showing my gameplay unedited with all mistakes intact so I don’t try and make myself look better than I am. You’d know this if you read the about page.
_retired
(_retired_)
#34
[quote=“Amerika;185277”]I want them toned down correctly so that they don’t end up making the m4, again, the default choice as the easiest and best gun in all situations. Of course this doesn’t excuse your outright personal attacks either way.[/quote]Well, I do agree on there. But at the same time it’s kind of strange if burst weapons are make all rounders like they are now competing with m4 in every range and category.
They said they are probably going to do something about bursts so until then we don’t know.
[quote=“Amerika;185277”] So your vendetta is just weird and sad from my perspective. I’m not sorry that I don’t share your rage and instead choose to articulately explain my viewpoint while citing written and video examples to further explain my logic path. [/quote]The word isn’t rage/vendetta but I’m irritated.
You know when well known member of the community and mod supports something that not only me but many others find simply OP and even makes videos out of their use it kind of gets under your skin.
I have seen let’s say “pubstompers” whose behaviour especially towards noobs has been really bad suggesting that bursts are fine and that people should just gravitate towards them or they might be just bad players/salty.
I find that kind of attitude especially in game that should get more players in, simply disgusting.
Problem with this community is that people are “married to their favourite guns and mercs” with which they get results (or better results). This leads to thoughts and behaviour which states that dear god someone might make their “chosen one” lesser being than it is now. Since these people seem not to play lot of other mercs, they have no comparision how his/her chosen one is balanced towards other mercs. Problem is that SD haven’t had clue how to balance these things and it doesn’t help try to cater to all these different groups who don’t want to give up their toy.
For me personally current issue is that example maybe my favourite map, Chapel is almost unplayable on pubs. Reason is that the merc choices are currently basically Kira/Arty or Stoker/Skyhammer with bursts (or now with thunder and his wonderful “suddenly you can’t do anything but die if you happen to be that area”. Or we see lot of this Aura/Proxy jumping/backraping with shotgun stuff.
Balanced? Tactical? Fun?
Nope.
But if you think it’s good that game has been taking this approach to balancing and is going this direction of low TTK etc. I guess it favours your kind and I’m defeated in challenge to find game that offers balance and challenge while giving some fun too.
[quote=“Amerika;185277”]That’s, in part, why my videos exist. To use as talking points and examples of how good/bad something is in average situations all while being a kind of slice of life thing for what I was playing at that point in my life. I’m OK with showing my gameplay unedited with all mistakes intact so I don’t try and make myself look better than I am. You’d know this if you read the about page.[/quote]Fair enough.
There could be sometimes language barrier and also time issue since I just browse these forums quickly and probably misinterpret what someone actually said.
But regarding everything, let’s just drop the issue. it’s not worth either of us time.
Amerika
(Amerika)
#35
[quote=“retired;185354”][quote=“Amerika;185277”]I want them toned down correctly so that they don’t end up making the m4, again, the default choice as the easiest and best gun in all situations. Of course this doesn’t excuse your outright personal attacks either way.[/quote]Well, I do agree on there. But at the same time it’s kind of strange if burst weapons are make all rounders like they are now competing with m4 in every range and category.
They said they are probably going to do something about bursts so until then we don’t know.
[quote=“Amerika;185277”] So your vendetta is just weird and sad from my perspective. I’m not sorry that I don’t share your rage and instead choose to articulately explain my viewpoint while citing written and video examples to further explain my logic path. [/quote]The word isn’t rage/vendetta but I’m irritated.
You know when well known member of the community and mod supports something that not only me but many others find simply OP and even makes videos out of their use it kind of gets under your skin.
I have seen let’s say “pubstompers” whose behaviour especially towards noobs has been really bad suggesting that bursts are fine and that people should just gravitate towards them or they might be just bad players/salty.
I find that kind of attitude especially in game that should get more players in, simply disgusting.
Problem with this community is that people are “married to their favourite guns and mercs” with which they get results (or better results). This leads to thoughts and behaviour which states that dear god someone might make their “chosen one” lesser being than it is now. Since these people seem not to play lot of other mercs, they have no comparision how his/her chosen one is balanced towards other mercs. Problem is that SD haven’t had clue how to balance these things and it doesn’t help try to cater to all these different groups who don’t want to give up their toy.
For me personally current issue is that example maybe my favourite map, Chapel is almost unplayable on pubs. Reason is that the merc choices are currently basically Kira/Arty or Stoker/Skyhammer with bursts (or now with thunder and his wonderful “suddenly you can’t do anything but die if you happen to be that area”. Or we see lot of this Aura/Proxy jumping/backraping with shotgun stuff.
Balanced? Tactical? Fun?
Nope.
[quote=“Amerika;185277”]That’s, in part, why my videos exist. To use as talking points and examples of how good/bad something is in average situations all while being a kind of slice of life thing for what I was playing at that point in my life. I’m OK with showing my gameplay unedited with all mistakes intact so I don’t try and make myself look better than I am. You’d know this if you read the about page.[/quote]Fair enough.
There could be sometimes language barrier and also time issue since I just browse these forums quickly and probably misinterpret what someone actually said.
But regarding everything, let’s just drop the issue. it’s not worth either of us time.
[/quote]
@retired I support breaking down what is and is not a problem and then coming up with the correct solution. I do not support mob mentality of “burn it down” that tends to happen with a lot of things in videogames. According to your post you still don’t seem to understand this approach at looking at an issue without rage but with an analytical view. I’ve broken down why the m4 is good and why the bursts are good, compared them to how they are used, how hard they are to use, how they scale with aim and how they work with the games current mechanics of high evasion and HP pools that also scale well with skill. You’ve done none of that.
You’ve mostly just lifted up a torch and repeated what the mob has told you…to burn it down. And due to me not agreeing with your type of mentality and actually wanting to figure out what can be done correctly by not raging alongside you and your like-minded people, combined with you also seeing a video of me using a burst rifle, I became a target for your “irritation”. You completely ignored my about page, you ignored everything I wrote in multiple posts in multiple threads, you didn’t see over a hundred other videos that have me playing virtually every merc and every gun in the game and instead made up something in your head to make me the enemy and made me a now repeated target of your ire with everything wrong in DB as you see it. All because I want to do things correctly.
But if you think it’s good that game has been taking this approach to balancing and is going this direction of low TTK etc. I guess it favours your kind and I’m defeated in challenge to find game that offers balance and challenge while giving some fun too.
Here is an example of something you made up in your head about me. Exactly where did this come from? Why are you applying it to me despite everything you now know?
I’m fine with dropping it if you at least attempt not to skim threads before you start labeling/attacking people. Understand what was said before you get angry. It’s so weird that so many people on the internet get incredibly outraged over issues they haven’t even tried to break down and understand for themselves. Everyone has a brain and it has it’s uses and I’m certain yours works just fine.
nyanraptor
(nyanraptor)
#37
Kiratana is definitely the new meta and I am going to abuse the fact that it is so good. If it stays, I might just keep her in my 3 mercs forever. I don’t care how many people will be triggered by it, I will continue to use it until the tears of the community flood the forums begging for the nerf. I am sure someone will probably respond to me saying “oh good luck when I can shoot you and kill you easy” but I am usually always on the top of the scoreboard with over 40 kills as kiratana and will continue. gg everyone.
Amerika
(Amerika)
#38
So instead of explaining yourself so that we have an understanding, or even go so far as admitting that you made a mistake, you instead have taken the childish route with your response and marking my post with an “LOL”.
DexterGrif
(DexterGrif)
#40
-Amerika, May 31st 2016.
So it’s not balanced around the skillful players trying to take it even mildly seriously or competitive tactical play but instead of “fun” preferably to pubstomping of noobs based into experiences of certain players in pubs who are “good with all weapons but just have preferrence towards the most op available”.
Got it.
[quote=“DexterGrif;185146”]Its a meta that doesn’t suck
[/quote]
I think you claimed that Br in current state is balanced so that makes your whole opinion totally invalid.[/quote]
@retired Excuse me? Exactly how does your response make sense compared to mine? I was saying that the game isn’t taking real life into consideration in regards to balance. The devs wanted an equal playing field for some mechanics to keep balance consistent in those areas. I’m not sure how Rhino crushing somebody with a melee attack in DB makes a game more “tactical” or makes somebody more serious about playing it. So could you please explain yourself here?
Also, you’re going into the realm of personal attacks for no reason. Stop now.[/quote]
I agree, this game is not meant for realism. I’d like to see anyone take a .50 Action Express to the face and live, much less continue moving. And the lack of realism is fine.