KEK makes other SMGs vastly inferior

(gloomyRequirement) #1

All SMGs(apart from the one slower shooting of which I can’t recall the name) have poor accuracy when autofiring. The KEK is in that respect no exception, yet it’s firepower in close combat is VASTLY superior to any other similar gun(it also pretty easily outfires assault rifles in close quarter combat).

I’ve literally come to the point that I trash any other cards if there’s one with a KEK alternative(phoenix, phantom proxy etc). I personally don’t think it’s particularly OP, and I think SMGs should generally be capable of outshooting other weapons up close(especially assault rifles) - but the other SMGs are most lacking when it comes to that. I hope other SMGs will be buffed at one point so they can also pack a punch in close range - and not have the KEK being the only truly viable option.

(watsyurdeal) #2

And yet my favorite SMG is still the SMG 9 :\

(Frogteam) #3

Anecdotal but: http://forums.dirtybomb.nexon.net/discussion/21927/favorite-smg

People seem to be pretty split on which one is best.

This is a real Signature.

(SzGamer227) #4

Crotzni is practically the same as the KEK-10 in terms of damage (they have virtually identical damage/second, mag exhaust time, damage per magazine, etc.) but the Crotzni reloads ~5% faster.

As for the Hochfir (my favorite SMG), the KEK deals ~6% more damage/second, but exhausts it magazine ~6% faster and reloads ~5% slower. (Has identical damage per mag).

I have no idea what makes you think the KEK is vastly superior to other SMGs, but overall it’s extremely similar to the other SMGs, and has no really outstanding qualities. :l

(Dawnlazy) #5

I find the Hochfir and the Kek-10 to be pretty much the same, both top tier among SMGs, Kek having a very slight DPS edge and Hoch a very slight accuracy edge. One reason why these 2 weapons are so good is that the maximum cone of fire is really tight so you can pretty much do a whole mag dump and gun down 2-3 people without worrying about the spread. The Smg9 is next in my list of favorite SMGs, only slightly below those other 2 because even though it’s also a low-recoil weapon that takes a long time to build up spread, it does eventually spread pretty wide toward the end of the magazine since it doesn’t have that wide of a maximum CoF. Perhaps instead of the reduced range, increased spread rate and reduced reload speed they have given to the Kek-10, the real nerf it needed was just a slightly wider maximum CoF?

(CCP115) #6

If you can aim, use the Crotzni, the DPS far surpasses anything else.

Hochfir is good for fast small classes due to ridiculous accuracy.

Blishlok is hard to use but can be potentially good on the slower but harder hitting classes, at the same time the Crotzni does more or less out do this. Personal opinion.

SMG-9 is really accurate after sustained fire, and it’s damage is deceptively high, the problem is that it’s hard to get a good SMG-9 loadout on the right merc. You need all the damn planets to align, which SD didn’t do. cough Bushwacker cough

KEK is alright I guess, the damage is low but the RoF makes up for it. I feel as if it is too inaccurate for me to want it more.

(LifeupOmega) #7

Blishlok: 0.87
Crotzni: 0.82
Hochfir: 0.90
KEK-10: 0.83
SMG-9: 0.86

Gotta say, KEK is still considered to be top tier as far as weapons go. Crotzni’s spread nerf made it a bit more unreliable but assuming you can kill someone in under 10 bullets that shouldn’t affect you. Kek doesn’t spread as much so is a bit more reliable. SMG-9 is the laser beam of the 3 alongside the Hochfir, although the latter kind of falls short due to the low damage output. And the Blishlok is its own thing, while still a solid weapon provided you can get the headshots to drop people fast.

(watsyurdeal) #8

To be honest those numbers aren’t exactly accurate cause that’s assuming spread and player accuracy aren’t in play.

To me the SMG 9 feels the most consistent overall, and therefore is faster killing weapon.

I feel like the Crotz and KEK have too much spread these days, and the Hochfir does too little damage.

(ProfPlump) #9

[quote=“gloomyRequirement;23884”]All SMGs(apart from the one slower shooting of which I can’t recall the name) have poor accuracy when autofiring. The KEK is in that respect no exception, yet it’s firepower in close combat is VASTLY superior to any other similar gun(it also pretty easily outfires assault rifles in close quarter combat).

I’ve literally come to the point that I trash any other cards if there’s one with a KEK alternative(phoenix, phantom proxy etc). I personally don’t think it’s particularly OP, and I think SMGs should generally be capable of outshooting other weapons up close(especially assault rifles) - but the other SMGs are most lacking when it comes to that. I hope other SMGs will be buffed at one point so they can also pack a punch in close range - and not have the KEK being the only truly viable option.[/quote]

Well, since the Crotzni outdamages it and it can hold the trigger for longer before running out of ammo, I’d have to disagree with you.

And anyway, not all the guns in DB are supposed to be equal - some mercs need slightly worse guns to make up for their more potent special abilities (e.g. Aura and Fletcher).

(TheVulpesFox) #10

Yeah Crotzni wooh!

(syku) #11

It’s all in your head, the kek-10 is about as good as all the other smg’s, it’s worse over range than the smg9, it gets beat on dps by the crotzni, has the second highest spread out of all the smg’s, what makes you think it’s vastly better than the other smg’s?

(Tanker_Ray) #12

It has the slowest reload speed among all SMGs, and very moderate range of 18m.

Only reason Kek is being used rather than the other SMGs were +5 mag, and most well arranged damage and RoF of 11damage and 128 good DPS.

But this doesn’t mean Kek makes other SMGs like a unusable gun .

Hochfir,SMG-9,Crotzni,Blishlok they all have their own special pros for themselves, just as good as Kek.

Kek-10 is one of the greatest primary in the whole time including the Crotzni, but this 2sec reload speed and 1.8 sec previous reload speed with Drilled somtimes makes me not want to use Kek.

(WaffleMonster) #13

[quote=“SzGamer227;146042”]Crotzni is practically the same as the KEK-10 in terms of damage (they have virtually identical damage/second, mag exhaust time, damage per magazine, etc.) but the Crotzni reloads ~5% faster.

As for the Hochfir (my favorite SMG), the KEK deals ~6% more damage/second, but exhausts it magazine ~6% faster and reloads ~5% slower. (Has identical damage per mag).

I have no idea what makes you think the KEK is vastly superior to other SMGs, but overall it’s extremely similar to the other SMGs, and has no really outstanding qualities. :l[/quote]

The crotzni has alot more spread than the kek. What makes the kek the best smg in the game is the fact that it’s strong in every area. It’s accurate, has excellent dps and excellent dpm. All the other smgs’ have some kind of drawback/tradeoff.

(syku) #14

[quote=“WaffleMonster;146606”][quote=“SzGamer227;146042”]Crotzni is practically the same as the KEK-10 in terms of damage (they have virtually identical damage/second, mag exhaust time, damage per magazine, etc.) but the Crotzni reloads ~5% faster.

As for the Hochfir (my favorite SMG), the KEK deals ~6% more damage/second, but exhausts it magazine ~6% faster and reloads ~5% slower. (Has identical damage per mag).

I have no idea what makes you think the KEK is vastly superior to other SMGs, but overall it’s extremely similar to the other SMGs, and has no really outstanding qualities. :l[/quote]

The crotzni has alot more spread than the kek. What makes the kek the best smg in the game is the fact that it’s strong in every area. It’s accurate, has excellent dps and excellent dpm. All the other smgs’ have some kind of drawback/tradeoff.[/quote]

The kek-10 has the second highest spread out of the smg, its not very far behind the crotzni either, however it loses out of range and dps to the crotzni, so it’s not without its drawbacks.

(Amerika) #15

I actually like all of the SMG’s now. I use the smg9 constantly on Nader and sometimes on Sawbonez when I’m not using the Crotzni, I use the Blishlok always on Aura and Fletcher, Kek on Bush, Phantom and Phoenix (but will sometimes go Crotzni on the latter two), Hochfir on Proxy. I don’t feel too limited using any of them these days. The Hochfir is probably the only one that can have some issues in a few situations in my experience but since I only use it on smg/smg proxy so I can back it up with an mp400.

Sure, the guns are a bit homogenized (well, not the Blishlok since it fires like the K121) but they do all fire a bit different from each other to give them at least a little flavor without making any of them feel vastly superior or inferior.

Below is how I personally rank them for my own play. Which might not reflect others so don’t go all disagree crazy…this is a personal list.

  1. Crotzni 10/10
  2. Kek10 9.7/10
  3. SMG9 9.5/10
  4. Blishlok 9/10
  5. Hochfir 8.9/10
(darlingClaymore) #16

KEK 10 I have best stats and KD, yet whenever I use it NOW I cant, it moves like its inaccurate and it messes up my invisible crosshair.

(Jesus) #17

I saw the post title and i was ready to evolve in my Holy Crusade Keyboard Warrior form, but then i saw it was a post from gloomyrequirement harvesting Disagree again

(WaffleMonster) #18

In all honesty the kek is still superior to all the other smg’s but the OP’s explanation was poor and completely exaggerated. The gap between smg’s has closed a lot over successive balance patches.

(Jesus) #19

I think its more of a preference thing for smgs I dont like kek at all