It's not about PC vs. Console, it's about the $$$

(Kryptyk Samurai) #1

I was posting this as a reply in another thread, but it didn’t fit there so started another one. This also may be a “no $hit” thread, but PC gamers continue to whine about not getting support or getting crappy console ports like they just don’t understand the ecomonics. Call developers sell outs if you want, but MOST of you are hypocrites if you had a chance to start a gaming developing studio from scratch and NOT support the consoles.

[QUOTE=Otto;269722]All must bow to the All inferior console, Long live the King…sigh.
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As we all know…“the King” is money…not the “consoles”. It’s about the all powerful dollar, or euro, or yen, or lettuce, or green, whatever you want to call it. And I’m not talking about building/buying a gaming rig vs a console

With the console install base worldwide, it’s obvious why Crytek, Splash Damage, Id, etc. etc. are now supporting consoles, they can’t miss out on the millions (or billions of dollars in sales).

I’m not sure how the breakdown of money spent on a game is split up, but say a game only sells 1,000,000 copies at full price = $60,000,000 for a console vs. 50,000,000 for a PC. Lets take BLOPs for example…it’s a cash cow. If CoD didn’t go to consoles, how much money would they have lost out on? Yes, they chose to support the console versions first, because that’s where the money is. World wide, between the 360 and PS3, there are over 20,000,000 copies sold vs. PC is only about 1 million. Hmmmmm, where would you focus your product.

Face it fellow PC gamers, game makers are focusing on consoles not because they are a better system, but it’s a better business plan. Economics run everything…supply and demand. 20 million vs. 1 million. Assuming sold at full price, $1.2 billion to split up in revenue vs. $50 million. Yeah, those numbers prove that it’s “such a horrible game” with “so many bugs you can’t shake a stick at it”. But I digress.

For all you damn pirates (dirty thieves in my opinion and should be treated as such), you’re just proving the point even more. I’m aware of piracy on consoles too, but it’s not nearly as rampant or detrimental to the business plan as PC piracy is. But yet, the community continues to whine about how they aren’t getting the support from game makers.

(DarkangelUK) #2

Seems like a lot of effort for a miss-understanding of PC gamers concerns. It’s fully understandable the reason for catering to consoles, the part that confuses PC gamers is the half-assed approach to the PC version where it turns into a copy/paste of the console version when they’re clearly different platforms with different needs.

No one said “don’t develop for console”, they said give the PC the attention is requires.

(Apples) #3

Plus if you correctly read one of Kinjal’s link, the total pc game sales is higher than the ps3, the xbox and the wii alltogether…

/thread please

(Seyu) #4

I think you would get better reception for your post on sites like Gamespot.

(Crytiqal) #5

Thanks Kryptyk but we already knew that the developers develop for console for the money and not because it’s a better system cause clearly they are not.

welcome captain obvious

(Humate) #6

now now, be nice.

(Kinjal) #7

Yea we must be happy to be like COD players

Anyway Blizzard wiil be happy, if more ppl will get brainwashd by Microsoft, in the end more money to them from “dead” PC platform. I just wonder why DICE is making BF3 for PC…hm, the microsoft allready said - “Nobody Plays FPS On PC Anymore”

(Diablo85) #8

The thing is, PC players are used to certain standards. If they want to port their games over to the PC they should at least be up to these standards. Problem is they rarely are and thats why we whine and complain.

And then there is the fact that console’s with their inferiour hardware are slowing progression in games. When the PC was still king the evolution of graphics and engines went at a much faster pace.

(Kryptyk Samurai) #9

[QUOTE=Crytiqal;269930]Thanks Kryptyk but we already knew that the developers develop for console for the money and not because it’s a better system cause clearly they are not.

welcome captain obvious[/QUOTE]

Yeah, that’s why I preficed my post with a disclaimer…

Thanks for the welcome though…

Mostly, I was just ranting because like I said, I’m tired of whiners.

(Seyu) #10

I always wanted to post this somewhere and now that this thread has derailed (not that it had a direction in the first place), here it is before the lockdown.

(Apoc) #11

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:slight_smile: just joinin in, obviously everyone realises why developers do it, it doesnt mean we should be happy about it.

The pc market is big enough to be treated separately if neccessarry, it only looks small when compared to the very large console market.

Pc games need to be focused on as they are always at the forefront of the gaming world, always have the best graphics, most advanced features, deepest customisation etc. If people stop putting any effort in to pc games and settle on a console standard game, there is no reason for consoles to improve, leading to a slowing of progression in the industry.

(Kinjal) #12

[QUOTE=Seyu;269942]I always wanted to post this somewhere and now that this thread has derailed (not that it had a direction in the first place), here it is before the lockdown.

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nice, one more to my collection.

(LyndonL) #13

Meh, MS says that since it helps their XBox sales. The same exact concept behind Rovio (Angry Birds dev) saying that console gaming is dying.

(Kryptyk Samurai) #14

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:slight_smile: just joinin in, obviously everyone realises why developers do it, it doesnt mean we should be happy about it.

The pc market is big enough to be treated separately if neccessarry, it only looks small when compared to the very large console market.

Pc games need to be focused on as they are always at the forefront of the gaming world, always have the best graphics, most advanced features, deepest customisation etc. If people stop putting any effort in to pc games and settle on a console standard game, there is no reason for consoles to improve, leading to a slowing of progression in the industry.[/QUOTE]

Apoc…it’s official…I believe I hate you. :slight_smile:

(brbrbr) #15

Kryptyk when you take to account HIGHER piracy rate on “consoles” and multiply it on SMALLER installbase, developers stop appearing “smart” as you pretend to picture them.
most of gamedevs are NOT INDEPENDENT and just Forced to do, what they do. by their employers ie publishers or company owners[which is in most cases is gamedev publishing-related, guy].
and those publishers pretending to be able “crush&kill&destroy”-approach to gamedev market, but predictibly fail[poor creatures, Meh !] and swithing to “burnt grounds” strategy, by acquiring gamedevs one-by-one and close they, if they not cooperate to alienation…erm…alteration development toward “consoles”.

(Schwarzeis) #16

[QUOTE=brbrbr;270642]Kryptyk when you take to account HIGHER piracy rate on “consoles” and multiply it on SMALLER installbase, developers stop appearing “smart” as you pretend to picture them.
most of gamedevs are NOT INDEPENDENT and just Forced to do, what they do. by their employers ie publishers or company owners[which is in most cases is gamedev publishing-related, guy].
and those publishers pretending to be able “crush&kill&destroy”-approach to gamedev market, but predictibly fail[poor creatures, Meh !] and swithing to “burnt grounds” strategy, by acquiring gamedevs one-by-one and close they, if they not cooperate to alienation…erm…alteration development toward “consoles”.[/QUOTE]

I’ve read alot of your posts in different threads, brbrbr, but… What is this? There is no way you can write so a bigger group of people can understand what you want to say?

(Bagnol) #17

It was pretty clear to me…kind of a dick comment though, I wouldn’t be surprised if English isn’t his first language.

(AnthonyDa) #18

Is acti-blizzard running out of dollars with WoW and others games ?

No?

Then your argument is invalid, DUHHH!

(Schwarzeis) #19

I know, I didn’t mean to be a dick - But have you read most of his posts? Sometimes they make no sense at all

And he is russian, so it’s not his first language, no

(Ajax's Spear) #20

[QUOTE=AnthonyDa;270659]Is acti-blizzard running out of dollars with WoW and others games ?

No?

Then your argument is invalid, DUHHH![/QUOTE]

Um, that is a pretty narrow and crappy example. Just because there is profitability in one particular game or market base doesn’t mean that the platform is generally as profitable. I mean the numbers are there, so it’s not an invalid comment. Are you just butthurt because someone dare had something to say that was contrary to your love of PC gaming?