Is Xigncode here to stay, or would the team be interested in exploring other options?


(Hipolipolopigus) #1

My account was suspended yesterday for, of all things, a task manager replacement. All Xigncode seems to do is scan processes for references to common injection techniques, then check them against a whitelist. Heaven forbid there should be a legitimate app that the omniscient Xigncode isn’t aware of, right?

So, title. I’d like to know that my account won’t be suspended in the future because some application does something that the over-sensitive Xigncode doesn’t agree with.


(Mustang) #2

I’ve had similar issues with both Process Explorer and Process Hacker, this “everything is evil unless we say otherwise, and we don’t say otherwise about anything” idea is awful. There are many better ways to do anti-cheat, and even if they turn out not to be better it’s got to be worth a try before resorting to this silly blanket ban that is XIGNCODE. I wouldn’t be sad to see the back of it, as usual with these sorts of anti-cheat/DRM/hacker-proof it’s the everyday users that get shafted and the hackers that just implement workarounds and carry on hacking as if nothing happened. Sadly it doesn’t even learn from it’s mistakes, people are still getting repeatedly suspended for all sorts of legitimate usecases.


(prophett) #3

Would be great if someone developed a 3rd party anti-cheat for the game (if that is possible).

Been playing some Soldier Front 2 lately and the community developed AC does a far better job than Xigncode.


(Floris) #4

This just shows how stupid Xigncode is at this moment. Injection should raise a flag but not lead to an instant ban. You would need more intelligence to actually decide the red flag is actually a cheat or hack.

I guess Xigncode is not SD’s choice but rather Nexon’s, because if you read the company page of Xigncode’s creator wellbia I doubt they would be able to communicate in English very well (besides, I doubt someone from SD would have stumbled upon a random anti-cheat maker from South Korea):

Wellbia.com Co., Ltd is specialized protect information that purposed to trying to make 21 century’s Green computer environment that doing best to provide what customers need and be customers want via many experience and technology from this industry.

One of our result is making fair online game environment that developed an anti-hacking solution is call XIGNCODE3. It has been published and we have patent of “based on one-time excutable code structure” that using differentiated technology and manage. We choose to type of online game service companies’ management, and possible to integrate various levels of security policy on company who is being service.

You have our word Wellbia.com Co., Ltd tries to make Green computer environment, vender provides safe and convenient service, and end user uses your service as feel relieved.

Wellbia.com Co., Ltd will do our best for safe and convenient information service that integrated our solution in the word.

Thank you.

Their company page is even more complete with a quote of Ghandi: “Speed is irrelevant if you are going in the wrong direction. - Mahatma Gandhi”. This company is enlightened! :slight_smile:

(on a side note, having studied in Japan and probably returning there this year, I have a lot of respect for people from Eastern countries which try to speak a language which feels as foreign to them as languages like Japanese, Korean and Chinese feel for us)


(Njsfirth) #5

With Steam Integration, wouldn’t it be possible to eventually move over to Steam Servers and VAC? Failing that, as much as it pains me to bring it up, there’s always Punkbuster…


(Hipolipolopigus) #6

VAC isn’t reliable (As we’ve seen with the recent CS:GO saga), Punkbuster is far too easy to work around, and the Fairfight team are assholes (False positives? Nah, that’s just hackers complaining about being banned. Our software is 100% flawless!).

There’s no perfect option, but basically all other options are better than Xigncode.


(Silvanoshi) #7

DB will indeed by sticking with Xigncode for the next while. The guys at Wellbia are very much interested in continuing to bring strong developments to Xigncode, which isn’t necessarily the case with some of the other anti-cheat developers out there. It will improve over time. In the meantime, please do continue to raise any odd flags that you believe might be occurring. We want to make sure that they get addressed relatively swiftly too.


(Hipolipolopigus) #8

Whitelisting, in terms of anti-cheat, never works out well. You end up with countless false-positives because you can never account for everything. Shutting down everything that might upset Xigncode - so far we’ve seen well-known and widely-used antivirus, networking and process management software - isn’t practical or something that should be expected of us.


#9

A sidenote of stupidity:
Infinity Ward employees under the direction of Activision are told to ban people who are reported in the game.
No demos are checked, no live speccing is done. What is done: Too many reports and you lose access to the game in steam. This is currently the sad cold truth in COD Ghost and COD Advanced Warfare for PC.

Treyarch did it a little bit for Black Ops 2, but they changed their mind, and they really thankfully stand against the c*ncer that is Activision.
Even Valve know about the problem with Activision, but Valve cant do anything, or wont do anything. Atleast you wont get VAC banned, when a Activision/Infinity Ward emplee game-ban you.

So, see it from the bright side, bans in DB could be alot worse, when seeing this perspective. But then Ghost and AW are basicly dead.


(shirosae) #10

I haven’t been able to play DB for four months because of the mystery xigncode crash. I had to poke Anti (<3) a bunch of times in IRC to get the post I made about it looked at. I was asked to send a few logs and did so, and whilst it was really nice how quickly SD responded to say that the logs didn’t contain anything useful and just showed xigncode stopping for no apparent reason and how Wellbia wanted remote access to be pc, I’ve heard nothing else since. This is not swift, or even relatively swift. Just saying.