Is there any reason to choose the FEL-IX over the MoA?

(AnonOmis1000) #21

@succinctDeer because sarcasm is so easy to decent over text

(watsyurdeal) #22

[quote=“Ford_Prefect;170498”]

So you’re talking that one merc associated with camping on health station, and one merc that heal herself after every scratch will not heal themselves after debuff that makes the most squishy even more squishier?[/quote]

Guess I have to be a little more clear, no medic is going to waste their healing ability on team mates to remove the debilitation. That wastes a pulse, a medpack from both Sawbonez and Sparks, and Aura pretty much counters the debilitation outright.

My argument is that people aren’t going to waste their time using their packs, they’ll just shoot the snitch, wait a bit, then push up.

[quote=“Watsyurdeal;170490”]

And you want to punish the thinnest mercs only for their existance, while reward dumb bodyshot snipers? I thought better of you, Watsyurdeal, you had such a good reputation in my eyes before.[/quote]

Really?

Because people already DON’T bodyshot? Where have you been playing?

The vast majority of Snipers body shot on a regular basis, so saying that the Fe Lix shouldn’t have the damage buff because it’d be annoying to fight against, is kind of equally dumb argument.

Bad snipers will be annoying no matter how you slice it, good Snipers same way, just not annoying for their own team.

The Fe Lix would need some sort of buff as currently the only reason it exists is to be the bolt action of choice for Aimee. Vasilli has 3 cards that are basically worthless, the Fe Lix needs something to warrant it being used.

And again, as I said before, the downsides will balance the upside.

As for punshing those mercs, Aura’s healing station is arguably still one of the more frustrating things to deal with, as is Sparks.

You need to be able to consistently land headshots on her to put her down, and that’s just Aura, any merc near said station becomes more difficult to deal with, especially Rhino.

Sparks, same thing, her long range revives have zero counter, your best bet is to catch her when she’s focused on something else to finish the guy you just put down. Otherwise you’re pretty much screwed.

These two mercs having a counter like this would not be at all detrimental to the meta, and if anything would likely encourage the devs to just simply buff certain aspects of them to balance them out.

If they didn’t want this problem then they should just remove the Fe Lix altogether and give Aimee new cards with the MoA, and Vasilli new cards with the Dreiss.

At least then there would be a lot of variance in possible ways to play those mercs.

Also, your opinion of me really doesn’t matter, it holds no value to me.

(Captain_Forward) #23

[quote=“Watsyurdeal;170552”][quote=“Ford_Prefect;170498”]

So you’re talking that one merc associated with camping on health station, and one merc that heal herself after every scratch will not heal themselves after debuff that makes the most squishy even more squishier?[/quote]

Guess I have to be a little more clear, no medic is going to waste their healing ability on team mates to remove the debilitation. That wastes a pulse, a medpack from both Sawbonez and Sparks, and Aura pretty much counters the debilitation outright.

My argument is that people aren’t going to waste their time using their packs, they’ll just shoot the snitch, wait a bit, then push up.

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Where’s teammates went from? We talking about 1-shot medics.

Of course snipers do bodyshot and will bodyshot, they just shouldn’t kill you with that in one shot, that’s simple. I want FELIX to be balanced too, just not with the price of turning life of 2 medics out of 4 into endless nightmare.

Like buffing their health so they won’t be killed with one shot in their toes.

[quote=“Watsyurdeal;170552”]
Also, your opinion of me really doesn’t matter, it holds no value to me.[/quote]

“Too bad so sad…”

(solace_) #24

you really couldn’t tell from, “The felix is obviously the better choice, it is very powerful, very strong, high stats, and much more.” very strong? high stats? come on, could anybody be that oblivious.

(AnonOmis1000) #25

you really couldn’t tell from, “The felix is obviously the better choice, it is very powerful, very strong, high stats, and much more.” very strong? high stats? come on, could anybody be that oblivious.

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With the number of idiots I mete online, nothing surprises me.

(solace_) #26

you really couldn’t tell from, “The felix is obviously the better choice, it is very powerful, very strong, high stats, and much more.” very strong? high stats? come on, could anybody be that oblivious.

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With the number of idiots I mete online, nothing surprises me.[/quote]

well ok then. I just thought it was pretty obviously a joke, but I guess not.

(AnonOmis1000) #27

you really couldn’t tell from, “The felix is obviously the better choice, it is very powerful, very strong, high stats, and much more.” very strong? high stats? come on, could anybody be that oblivious.

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With the number of idiots I mete online, nothing surprises me.[/quote]

well ok then. I just thought it was pretty obviously a joke, but I guess not.
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That’s why Poe’s Law is a thing.

(solace_) #28

you really couldn’t tell from, “The felix is obviously the better choice, it is very powerful, very strong, high stats, and much more.” very strong? high stats? come on, could anybody be that oblivious.

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With the number of idiots I mete online, nothing surprises me.[/quote]

well ok then. I just thought it was pretty obviously a joke, but I guess not.
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That’s why Poe’s Law is a thing.[/quote]

and there you go. I thought the grammar was a dead give away but oh well, I will make myself clearer in the future, captain.

(AnonOmis1000) #29

you really couldn’t tell from, “The felix is obviously the better choice, it is very powerful, very strong, high stats, and much more.” very strong? high stats? come on, could anybody be that oblivious.

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With the number of idiots I mete online, nothing surprises me.[/quote]

well ok then. I just thought it was pretty obviously a joke, but I guess not.
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That’s why Poe’s Law is a thing.[/quote]

and there you go. I thought the grammar was a dead give away but oh well, I will make myself clearer in the future, captain.
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“/s” is your friend.

(doxjq) #30

I never thought about the snitch either when I said the first comment was fair enough. Anyone debilitated 90hp and under is 1 body shot any way. It’s kind of irrelevant to use the medic argument, because most people who use Aimee smartly place her snitch near doorways and choke points that people push out of. A lot of the time there is no chance to even look for a medic. You rush out the door and the snitch catches you as does the player using Aimee and in less than a second, you’re dead.

But yeah I dunno. I hate the Moa and the Felix any way so I dunno why I’m even taking part in this haha. Grandeur4lyf<3 come at me haters.

(watsyurdeal) #31

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(ProfPlump) #32

[quote=“bubblesKeyboard;28228”]I just checked the stats and besides (negligible?) damage difference (both can’t one shot anything in the body) the MoA has a faster fire rate and reload speed.

The only thing the FEL-IX has going for it is the +1 shot/mag

Unless I’m wrong?[/quote]

The MOA has a slightly faster firerate, faster magazine reload, less obstructive scope markings, and has Focus for its augment so there’s less flinching from enemy bullets.

The FEL-IX has slightly more damage (but it makes very little difference, since it doesn’t improve TTK for headshots or bodyshots on anyone except Thunder), it has one more bullet per magazine, and has the Spotter and Unshakeable augments which are highly useful, and has a scope with such a large reticle marker that it can completely obscure your target’s head.

That said, the guns are pretty much the same. I think the main thing that makes the MOA better is just that scope which makes targeting a lot easier.

(Dysfnal) #33

The thing about the Felix… As Aimee it makes those snitch kills possible :slight_smile: which is a blast

The snitch, IMO is designed as a Felix buff, as it does further increased damage over the moa, and can one shot more mercs after debilitating

(watsyurdeal) #34

[quote=“Dysfnal;172295”]The thing about the Felix… As Aimee it makes those snitch kills possible :slight_smile: which is a blast

The snitch, IMO is designed as a Felix buff, as it does further increased damage over the moa, and can one shot more mercs after debilitating[/quote]

Yea but we’re talking about a small increase here

If someone could refer to me how much damage increase spotting gives I can more or less make a point here.

(LifeupOmega) #35

It’s a 25% increase, @Watsyurdeal

So FEL Bodyshot goes from 79 to 98.75 (98 or 99, not sure how it rounds in DB), or 197.5 Headshot.

PDP becomes 66.25 / 112.5

Grandeur becomes 50 / 100

MOA (just for the sake of comparison), would be 93.75 / 187.5

(watsyurdeal) #36

@LifeupOmega so in other words, Fe Lix has no point, the MoA could take it’s place and nothing would change.

So that settles it, give Vasilli the dress, and Aimee the MoA, call it a day.

(Dysfnal) #37

@Watsyurdeal ummmm, no… You can’t one shot a dibbed Pheonix with the moa… You can with the Felix, though I think they should reduce the fire rate a bit, clip size and add that 1 damage back on. Maybe even give it 100 damage, pull back the bolt, place a new round in, push the bolt forward after every shot, and give it a decent amount of ammo, because four shots maximum would be trash (as in maximum ammo on your character)

(Freezer_Boss) #38

No. Take the MOA

(Amerika) #39

Adding one point of damage to the FEL IX would put it back to the state it was at launch where it was the anti-Aura weapon since it could kill on body shot to her (and now Sparks as well). There is a good reason why the damage was dropped down to 79. However, it made the FEL-IX simply an inferior choice in realistic usage between it and the Moa as the Moa was better at virtually everything that mattered.

(nokiII) #40

@Amerika Aimee has 90hp and an Anti-Sparks rifle would be pretty nice in the meta nowadays tbh.