Is Nexon actually banning anyone right now?


(GatoCommodore) #21

[quote=“The_N00B;208152”]Honestly I don’t think we know enough about the banning process to be judging here. I know I don’t know. For all I know the people who address the Hacker issues address the hacker issues for all games Nexon America is currently help to publish. if that is the case that has got to be a lot of reports they have to go through. That means a lot of time. Like I said though I don’t know. :slight_smile:

and thanks for everyone involved with addressing these hackers. [/quote]

dont even explain it.
these hackers might know something they didnt and use it for their advantage.

[quote=“stayfreshshoe;208151”][quote=“K1X455;208125”]They ban accounts, not players.

NGS doesn’t even detect hackers and rely on players for “reporting for investigation”[/quote]

Can confirm NGS detects hackers and players are being banned.

We do know it’s an issue and we’re doing what we can to address it :)[/quote]

naisu mista shuu

best news i heard today.


(Amerika) #22

[quote=“Dox;32789”]This isn’t a name and shame thread, I’m just wondering if whoever is in control of banning people is away or something? We’ve had two hackers running around on Australian servers for the last two weeks who are using aimbots on maximum settings not even trying to hide it, and despite our numerous (probably even hundreds?) reports they just aren’t getting banned.

Like the guy in server right now has nearly 100 hours on Dirty Bomb over the last two weeks. I reported him nearly two weeks ago and nearly everyone in the server reported him at the same time as me yet still nothing to this day? His aimbot is on maximum settings and he’s just insta-snapping to peoples heads non stop hitting headshots with rhino cross map, and when anyone is trying to kick him from the server his hack turns around and tries to kick the person who called the vote instead.

I’ve dealt with aimbots in game before, and usually within 24-48 hours they are banned from the time we report them, but two weeks?[/quote]

I know you can’t post them here but did you happen to get their steam profile information? One of the big things that people tend to forget about F2P gaming is that a lot of cheaters who really want to troll a game will have 20-40 throwaway accounts they use to cheat on. So if you cheat on one account and get banned you can then fire up another account and cheat on it. And since Steam allows you to easily change your in-game name most people simply assume they are on the same account when in reality they have went through many accounts.

Of course then you get people who say, “why don’t you IP ban them”. And to that I say these people know what they are doing and they also know how to quickly/easily change their IP. Many of them will even be using a proxy service. And hardware bans are a joke as that’s EASILY dealt with with either simple OS changes via multiple programs or packet manipulation on the network side.


(poit187) #23

[quote=“Amerika;208158”][quote=“Dox;32789”]This isn’t a name and shame thread, I’m just wondering if whoever is in control of banning people is away or something? We’ve had two hackers running around on Australian servers for the last two weeks who are using aimbots on maximum settings not even trying to hide it, and despite our numerous (probably even hundreds?) reports they just aren’t getting banned.

Like the guy in server right now has nearly 100 hours on Dirty Bomb over the last two weeks. I reported him nearly two weeks ago and nearly everyone in the server reported him at the same time as me yet still nothing to this day? His aimbot is on maximum settings and he’s just insta-snapping to peoples heads non stop hitting headshots with rhino cross map, and when anyone is trying to kick him from the server his hack turns around and tries to kick the person who called the vote instead.

I’ve dealt with aimbots in game before, and usually within 24-48 hours they are banned from the time we report them, but two weeks?[/quote]

I know you can’t post them here but did you happen to get their steam profile information? One of the big things that people tend to forget about F2P gaming is that a lot of cheaters who really want to troll a game will have 20-40 throwaway accounts they use to cheat on. So if you cheat on one account and get banned you can then fire up another account and cheat on it. And since Steam allows you to easily change your in-game name most people simply assume they are on the same account when in reality they have went through many accounts.

Of course then you get people who say, “why don’t you IP ban them”. And to that I say these people know what they are doing and they also know how to quickly/easily change their IP. Many of them will even be using a proxy service. And hardware bans are a joke as that’s EASILY dealt with with either simple OS changes via multiple programs or packet manipulation on the network side.[/quote]

“I know you can’t post them here but did you happen to get their steam profile information?” yes, indeed (Dox and I are talking about the same person), lucky for me my links are still live on the reddit post - https://www.reddit.com/r/Dirtybomb/comments/579kwt/can_you_please_ban_this_tool_its_been_2_weeks_and/

“And since Steam allows you to easily change your in-game name most people simply assume they are on the same account when in reality they have went through many accounts.” - Nope! not in this case, his steam ID is the same from both instances - see the description on the youtube videos for his steam ID.

“Of course then you get people who say, “why don’t you IP ban them”.” - sure there are people who might say this… but what I will say is ‘why don’t you VAC ban them from steam’, sure they can start a new steam account, but they now have to go to hassle of creating a new email address etc… the more hassle you make for these hackers the more likely they will just give up.

One more thing… Why arn’t **** and **** perma banned yet… if you don’t know the two people I am talking about you should… I made a massive deal about them… had 50+ signatures on change.org petition to ban them… they were perma banned - then a week later SOMEONE at Nexon lifted the ban! A: You have either been hacked, B: or have a mole/insider, C: or you just don’t give a f. There is no D : **** was playing yesterday causing grief as per normal.

*EDIT! Since I made that post on here and reddit, the hacker played an additional 9 hours! 78.3 hours from 69.

Every second that guy played made people want to quit the game, a lot of seconds in 78 hours!


(The_N00Ba) #24

I think the main thing to keep in mind with hackers is that some of them want people to hassle them. they want people to start escalating the situation because they get a thrill out of it. hassling them only makes them stronger and also allows them to start building a harassment legal case.
I agree Splash Damage saying some people are perma banned and Nexon apparently removing the ban reflects badly on Splash Damage, Nexon, and the their partnership.
The thing in is again i feel we do not have all the information to properly judge the situation. The legal side of things is not something you want to take lightly.


(poit187) #25

[quote=“The_N00B;208211”]I think the main thing to keep in mind with hackers is that some of them want people to hassle them. they want people to start escalating the situation because they get a thrill out of it. hassling them only makes them stronger and also allows them to start building a harassment legal case.
I agree Splash Damage saying some people are perma banned and Nexon apparently removing the ban reflects badly on Splash Damage, Nexon, and the their partnership.
The thing in is again i feel we do not have all the information to properly judge the situation. The legal side of things is not something you want to take lightly.[/quote]

“The thing in is again i feel we do not have all the information to properly judge the situation.” - HAHA you obviously haven’t seen any of my videos then.


(GatoCommodore) #26

maybe the guy plead not guilty in front of nexon and say he wants to spend some money.

Cha-Ching!

hes unbanned.

this is a probability.


(The_N00Ba) #27

I doubt that… but anything is possible. Like I said i don’t think we have enough information on everything.

Videos are useful but can be altered. I doubt poit187’s were altered though.
Also there is the actual game data to consider. Plus policies and laws of Nexon, Splash Damage, and all countries involved to consider. Some of which we can find out. most of them probably not so much. considering all of this as the reality we are dealing with I don’t think we really know what is going on at all.

I do know I have experienced such hackers first hand. I have gotten pissed off just like every one else. Luckily I can let the pain and anger go. in the end, they really are no different than me. They may be unique but they are no more special than the rest of us. In the end their actions will be meaningless. Their life will become nothing more than a whisper maybe spoken randomly once, once they are gone.

The thing is though some of these hackers are living the moment. They don’t care about the pain they cause. They simply are enjoying the reaction of people getting pissed at them. They love it and enjoy the fact that certain players keep giving it to them pretty much playing right into their hands. Basically becoming their tool and a way to spread their “glory”. i think this mentality has existed almost as long as our species has… probably even before that…

in the end, I don’t think speculating and fear mongering really helps any one. if this type of thing continues I doubt this thread will remain open for much longer.


(AlphaUT) #28

@The_N00B I checked some of his videos, that’s very clear the guy in the video is cheating. If you still saying “I doubt it, etc” I will wondering if you can see the difference between a high skill level and a hacker.


(The_N00Ba) #29

sigh… I probably should have explained it fully to avoid confusion… my bad…

I doubt Nexon unbanned the hacker because the guy plead not guilty in front of them and said he wants to spend some money. I don’t know though because I don’t know what goes on privately behind Nexon’s doors. That is their business.

now just to be double clear. I stated I doubt poit187 altered their videos because the idea makes no sense to me. Granted they could have done it out of rage which is understandable but still doesn’t feel right. I know this is important to them as it is to many of you. Doing something like that which would completely screw over the case just makes no sense.

So I trust poit187 without even looking at the video. I have had my own share of “real” hackers. They are few and not as salty as some of the others I have heard about but they are “real”.

Most “high skill level” players tend to be obvious. I check their steam profile for hours in other games. I take their DB level into general account. Plus 9.9/10 I can kill them 1v1 with no abilities as m4 skyhammer. Also I have played with many of them for some time now. I have noticed their flaws of character.

So just to be even more clear…

I am not saying i doubt the claim that the player is a hacker. I trust poit187 and any one else who has claimed the player to be a hacker in their claim. I believe you guys know what you are talking about since you all have skill gained from your experiences.

I am again saying I feel we do not have all the information to properly judge the situation. Having proof is nothing unless it is properly handled by people just like in a legal case. One wrong move by just a single person whether from Nexon, SplashDamage, or the player base can set back everything just like in the legal world.

Since we don’t know what every one has done involving the hackers in Nexon, Splash Damage, and the player base how can we judge them. Judging someone when you don’t have all the facts is asking for it to be done to you in turn. I just find this to a lose lose situation. The negativity just isn’t helping for me at least. :slight_smile:


(supergonzo) #30

I quit playing db after i met the third cheater again after i created support tickets with video evidence for them months ago.
Maybe i’ll start playing again, but i will not record/report cheaters anymore.
I don’t waste my time, support monkey don’t give a shit.


(SnakekillerX) #31

[quote=“Amerika;208158”][quote=“Dox;32789”]This isn’t a name and shame thread, I’m just wondering if whoever is in control of banning people is away or something? We’ve had two hackers running around on Australian servers for the last two weeks who are using aimbots on maximum settings not even trying to hide it, and despite our numerous (probably even hundreds?) reports they just aren’t getting banned.

Like the guy in server right now has nearly 100 hours on Dirty Bomb over the last two weeks. I reported him nearly two weeks ago and nearly everyone in the server reported him at the same time as me yet still nothing to this day? His aimbot is on maximum settings and he’s just insta-snapping to peoples heads non stop hitting headshots with rhino cross map, and when anyone is trying to kick him from the server his hack turns around and tries to kick the person who called the vote instead.

I’ve dealt with aimbots in game before, and usually within 24-48 hours they are banned from the time we report them, but two weeks?[/quote]

I know you can’t post them here but did you happen to get their steam profile information? One of the big things that people tend to forget about F2P gaming is that a lot of cheaters who really want to troll a game will have 20-40 throwaway accounts they use to cheat on. So if you cheat on one account and get banned you can then fire up another account and cheat on it. And since Steam allows you to easily change your in-game name most people simply assume they are on the same account when in reality they have went through many accounts.

Of course then you get people who say, “why don’t you IP ban them”. And to that I say these people know what they are doing and they also know how to quickly/easily change their IP. Many of them will even be using a proxy service. And hardware bans are a joke as that’s EASILY dealt with with either simple OS changes via multiple programs or packet manipulation on the network side.[/quote]

Agreed, It’s become far too easy for people to avoid bans. Making new steam accounts, renewing IP address, spoofing MAC addresses… All of this has been regular practice for cheaters for the past 15 years or more.

To truly get rid of these people it would have to come down to an ISP ban. By that I don’t mean ban their whole ISP (as that would be stupid). It would however have to be collaboration between the Gaming Industry and Internet Service Providers.

Someone gets caught hacking? Their session information is sent to their ISP, where game’s servers are then black listed on the customer’s account on the ISP side. You can’t play that game anymore… period. Even buying a new modem, spoofing a MAC address, IP changes, etc… none of that would unban them.

What if they use a proxy service? Well, that proxy service is going to get banned from that game for whoever tries using it. Don’t use a proxy server to play a game.


(Nail) #32

it takes a court order to get an ISP to do anything, so that won’t ever happen


(SnakekillerX) #33

The way things are now it wouldn’t work as customer’s have privacy privileges and even if they didn’t ISPs aren’t going to go against their own customer’s or risk losing those customers to other ISPs. It would have to be something government mandated so that all ISPs utilize it.

It would basically be software that the ISPs hold that different game companies could subscribe to. The game company would be able to deny service to people found abusing that service on a per customer basis. Game companies would only be able to block people from using their own service, so the risk of it being used maliciously doesn’t seem likely. (basically they would lock out access to their login server, if you can’t login you can’t play).

For a while people would turn to proxy services, but eventually those would all get banned as well, so you’d be forced to play without a proxy, on your own unhidden ISP connection. Once those all have a Nexon block on them, you eliminate one cheater, and keep them out until…

  1. They sign up with a new ISP. This would get them a fresh account but wouldn’t stop any proxies from being banned, so if they decided to cheat again they would be locked out and they would again have to sign up a new account.

  2. ??? I can’t think of any other method at this moment.

Any ban disputes would still function business as usual, as it would be up to Nexon to unban them.

(also yes, this would block anyone using a proxy who ISN’T a cheater, solution? Disable the proxy and you’ll be able to get back in the game.)


(poit187) #34

The ISP idea just won’t work. ISP’s don’t even want to cooperate with anti-piracy companies, let alone a video game company.

The way to combat cheating in my opinion;
1: Nexon obtains the cheats available, finds out how they work, and patch their game.
2: Allow players to report cheaters in game - THEY HAVE THIS! but wait… this is the most important part of point 2, ready?.. ACTUALLY DO SOMETHING WITH THE REPORT!!
3: Fix vote kick system so hacks can’t manipulate it, so even if point 1 and 2 fail, at least players can vote kick the hacker


(K1X455) #35

[quote=“stayfreshshoe;208151”]Can confirm NGS detects hackers and players are being banned. We ask you for your reports in-game to help us with getting rid of those that make it past our anti-cheat.
[/quote]

A while back, someone posted a URL of paid hacks and I did some investigation on how they were doing it. Of course, NGS will detect them sooner or later, but they get smarter in due time cause they’re using the same mechanics facilitated by Unreal Engine; the server cannot check legitimacy because the server code cannot differentiate a legit control from an “automated/assisted” gameplay. NGS is client based, so for as long as a code can be loaded remotely or by some other mechanic at which NGS cannot actively scan unless it is invasive, NGS won’t find out and that’s how they do it. If I’d really put my foot into this thing, I’d help, but IT and software isn’t my game anymore. I’m done and over with that.

Further, after an account is banned… another one can be made by the same hacker. And the cycle continues, only the player get’s better at fine tunning the code. I recently saw a high level player employing wall hacks, and at first, I didn’t suspect because I thought he was just really good at the game (after all, higher level could be an indication of good play), but after spectating him, obvious tales of “tactical forknowledge of oppossition” became very obvious. To his credit, he’s got some finness in using the wall hack though. Cause he just doesn’t pre-fire, he get’s in “very good tactical position” to exploit the route, and chain kills.

There are more “fine tuned hacks” out there and it has crept up the higher level players.
I’m currently tracking two less obvious hacks, but I can only put so much time in this. Like I said, it’s not my game anymore.

EDIT:
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(doxjq) #36

@Amerika I know people do that but in this circumstance it’s not the case given his 75 or whatever hours over the last two weeks on Dirty Bomb alone. I don’t have his profile bookmarked but poit probably does.


(The_N00Ba) #37

(K1X455) #38

@The_N00B my mate sais I loved this game more than I loved Crytek’s Warface… I didn’t get any love back from them, all I got is scorn.


(PlatinumCLAW) #39

snaps to enemy can be easily detected on server side, and instead of instant ban, punish the person to spawn near enemy spawn and cannot move or shoot, and get killed a hundred times, and cannot even exit the game, and if he force quits using task manager or something, just make his next match like that, this gives chance to improve people, and if he still hacks, then ban the account.


(BananaSlug) #40

we just gotta get law system like south Korea :smiley: