I'm begging you, Splash Damage. Please let us Obsidian Vengeance buyers get what we want.

(XavienX) #21

I want Vassili to win cause I main him, but in other people’s perspective I’m pretty sure I can speak for them: “I’d rather take Vassili than that stupid bunny-mine-monkey-freak-of-nature-thingy.”

(ImSploosh) #22

You can’t use entitlement for paying customers. That word’s connotation tends to lean towards a spoiled child or something of that nature, not someone who paid for a product. Customers generally have some say in what they’re purchasing- this is one of those times where they deserve to have a say. I’m sure a good amount of people arguing for something like this have paid money and supported the game. It has nothing to do with being “entitled.” By giving their opinions and ideas, they are contributing to the games as well as the company behind it. That’s just how a proper business works when it comes to something consumer-related.

When you start ignoring your customers, you lose that trust, that loyalty, A loss of support or loyalty for a free-to-play game can easily be its ultimate downfall. Those who bought the Obsidian pack deserve some say into what they’re buying. Sure, they should have considered the outcome beforehand, but when there’s an outcry like this, it might be a good idea to “give the customer what they want.” So in a sense, yes, they’re entitled, but not in the way you put it. In this case, their entitlement is justified!

That’s how I see it anyways. Personally, I’m holding off on buying the Obsidian pack after the boosters incident and with Proxy in the lead, I’m not sure if I want it. I definitely prefer Stoker or Vassili. Knowing myself though, I’ll probably buy it anyways to show some support and get a new card/merc while I’m at it.

(PleasantWheat) #23

Look I’m all for #TeamStoker but if you bought into the obsidian pack, you knew exactly what you were getting into. A merc decided by all the plebs that started playing during the event. It sucks yes but we still bought in. I really want Stoker to win but if he doesn’t I’m not going to be too pissed because I’ve come to peace with the fact that it isn’t my choice, the most we can do is have stoker in our squad and hope that’s enough.

(Jesus) #24

[quote=“derpypenguinz19;175602”]How ReV could’ve been infinitely better:
Week One Rotation is Proxy, Vassili, Nader, and Flecher.
Excluding engineers who a huge advantage just for being engineer.
All noob mercs are solved, allowing other mercs to lead other weeks.[/quote]

We all know this popularity contest how they call it, wont in the end show who is the most popular at all

(Jesus) #25

Maybe you should have payed attention none of us was ok with proxy from the first week of the event, firstly because she is a shitty merc with shitty loadout played by plebs noobies and scrubs, secondly because she is unfairly advantaged being an engineer and costing 30k.
So if its to deblaterate such a load of bullshit maybe you should just save yourself and shut your mouth and cut the crap.
People have been complaining about that for a while dont act like it is “all of the sudden because she is now leading” you know it not and if you dont know it, this means you werent around here during the last week and therefore should make such stupid sentence.

(FerfyDerf) #26

I think it should have gone like this: The culprit is found! [Culprit] now has a culprit card! Now for the obsidian: [Merc] was used the most by players who bought the pack. Congrats [Merc]!

(solace_) #27

Look, I’m not trying to be rude, but you probably should have waited to see whether stoker was definitely going to win before buying the obsidian pack. Everyone knows how popular proxy is and that there was plenty of chance that she would overtake stoker. There is very little chance that Splash Damage would change their mind at this point about the way they will finish the event.

That being said, I do agree with you. Its kind of ridiculous that they ask you to pay $15 for a single card that isn’t even guaranteed to be good. ugh, I really wish SD would change the way they handle these sorts of things in the future.

(SereneFlight) #28

Why would they do something nice for players who have dedicated their time for the game when they’re being complete dicks to paying customers…

(bontsa) #29

Want a change on how cases overall work? Stop buying them, simple as that. If even only this forum’s userbase entirely would cease purchasing them, it’d be massive cut in the income forcing dev/publisher to rethink the soddy case design.

It was written in clear English how obsidian and culprit will be chosen. It’s also not like one had only 5 minutes to make the purchase decision, but instead almost 5 whopping weeks to figure out how all this works. Even if one somehow missed the obsidian/culprit choosing method at start, at least that was clear as a day there is absolutely no hurry.

Yet some people still bought it out of whim it seems. It’s like buying milk on sale that is going to expire today, has massive red label on it saying “-50%, CHECK THE DATE!”, drinking it 4 days later instead of earlier and then whining to producer when stomach gets upset about it.

Cases are absolute bullcrap, did it surprise anyone? Demanding refund or liberty to choose afterwards makes no sense nor changes anything.

(Jaso) #30

I will be pretty disappointed if Proxy won. Thats going to be my second proxy not used Obsidian after Beta Fighter Obsidian

(Cuck) #31

[quote=“bontsa;175641”]Want a change on how cases overall work? Stop buying them, simple as that. If even only this forum’s userbase entirely would cease purchasing them, it’d be massive cut in the income forcing dev/publisher to rethink the soddy case design.

It was written in clear English how obsidian and culprit will be chosen. It’s also not like one had only 5 minutes to make the purchase decision, but instead almost 5 whopping weeks to figure out how all this works. Even if one somehow missed the obsidian/culprit choosing method at start, at least that was clear as a day there is absolutely no hurry.

Yet some people still bought it out of whim it seems. It’s like buying milk on sale that is going to expire today, has massive red label on it saying “-50%, CHECK THE DATE!”, drinking it 4 days later instead of earlier and then whining to producer when stomach gets upset about it.

Cases are absolute bullcrap, did it surprise anyone? Demanding refund or liberty to choose afterwards makes no sense nor changes anything.[/quote]

wanna do a “stop buying cases 4 a change” campaign with me?

(Jesus) #32

[quote=“buffMonorail;175656”][quote=“bontsa;175641”]Want a change on how cases overall work? Stop buying them, simple as that. If even only this forum’s userbase entirely would cease purchasing them, it’d be massive cut in the income forcing dev/publisher to rethink the soddy case design.

It was written in clear English how obsidian and culprit will be chosen. It’s also not like one had only 5 minutes to make the purchase decision, but instead almost 5 whopping weeks to figure out how all this works. Even if one somehow missed the obsidian/culprit choosing method at start, at least that was clear as a day there is absolutely no hurry.

Yet some people still bought it out of whim it seems. It’s like buying milk on sale that is going to expire today, has massive red label on it saying “-50%, CHECK THE DATE!”, drinking it 4 days later instead of earlier and then whining to producer when stomach gets upset about it.

Cases are absolute bullcrap, did it surprise anyone? Demanding refund or liberty to choose afterwards makes no sense nor changes anything.[/quote]

wanna do a “stop buying cases 4 a change” campaign with me?[/quote]

Well Im sure as hell I wont give them any money anymore.

(Herr_Hanz) #33

[quote=“bontsa;175641”]
It was written in clear English how obsidian and culprit will be chosen. It’s also not like one had only 5 minutes to make the purchase decision, but instead almost 5 whopping weeks to figure out how all this works. Even if one somehow missed the obsidian/culprit choosing method at start, at least that was clear as a day there is absolutely no hurry.

Yet some people still bought it out of whim it seems. It’s like buying milk on sale that is going to expire today, has massive red label on it saying “-50%, CHECK THE DATE!”, drinking it 4 days later instead of earlier and then whining to producer when stomach gets upset about it.[/quote]

exactly the comparison i was looking for. well said!

(NetflixandKill) #34

See bottom for tl;dr

Hey, people can spam chat in game. Yeah, I’d prefer Stoker but I’d be cool with anyone except maybe Fletcher, but he’s in last. People can promote a merc in game if they want. I don’t know, nor do I care. I was merely giving a suggestion.

[quote=“Sploosh;175608”]You can’t use entitlement for paying customers. That word’s connotation tends to lean towards a spoiled child or something of that nature, not someone who paid for a product. Customers generally have some say in what they’re purchasing- this is one of those times where they deserve to have a say. I’m sure a good amount of people arguing for something like this have paid money and supported the game. It has nothing to do with being “entitled.” By giving their opinions and ideas, they are contributing to the games as well as the company behind it. That’s just how a proper business works when it comes to something consumer-related.

When you start ignoring your customers, you lose that trust, that loyalty, A loss of support or loyalty for a free-to-play game can easily be its ultimate downfall. Those who bought the Obsidian pack deserve some say into what they’re buying. Sure, they should have considered the outcome beforehand, but when there’s an outcry like this, it might be a good idea to “give the customer what they want.” So in a sense, yes, they’re entitled, but not in the way you put it. In this case, their entitlement is justified!

That’s how I see it anyways. Personally, I’m holding off on buying the Obsidian pack after the boosters incident and with Proxy in the lead, I’m not sure if I want it. I definitely prefer Stoker or Vassili. Knowing myself though, I’ll probably buy it anyways to show some support and get a new card/merc while I’m at it. [/quote]

Entitlement is actually the right word to describe this thread. These “paying customers” knew full well that the obsidian card would be of the most played merc, and now they want to whine because a merc they don’t like is winning, and now they feel entitled to receiving something they did not pay for: being able to personally choose their obsidian merc.

It’s not like SD or Nexon mislead customers into buying the obsidian case either; the terms of the deal were clearly indicated at the start of the event. In the future, perhaps, SD can give consumers “some say in what they’re purchasing” but for ReV customers are getting exactly what they paid for. Heck, I would have bought the event case if I was able to choose what merc I get, but I understood from the start that I would not receive that, that my money would not pay for that.

If anyone is loosing trust in Nexon over this obsidian case, then put bluntly, they’re stupid and shouldn’t have willingly spent their money if they didn’t understand the clear terms of the case, which is not Nexon’s fault but the customer’s. I agree that for F2P to work, the community must trust in the publisher, but this case will not cause significant loss in trust for Nexon. (If anything, I feel the case boosters caused a bigger trust issue, but that’s for another thread).

tl;dr People should have known what they were buying into. They now feel entitled to receive something they didn’t pay for, which is the ability to personally choose an obsidian. I agree consumers should have had more of a say in the merc they are receiving in the future, but for now, people are receiving what they paid for. This isn’t (or at least shouldn’t be) a reason for people to distrust SD and NxA.

(ElDingDong) #35

This event is flawed, may I drag your attention to this thread?
It explains the major flaw of ReV.
Disagree all you want, but this is the most logical way SD should have implemented the ‘voting system’ for the culprit.

http://forums.dirtybomb.nexon.net/discussion/28627/one-thing-really-wrong-with-the-event

Yes, we all now what we were getting into when we paid for the Case, but Week 1 was a complete joke. Compared to the balance of mercs we got in Week 4, Week 1 was just in favor of Proxy. She should have been with Vassili.

We now can only play Stoker, and hope for the best
#StokerFTW
#Molotovsovermines

(Jesus) #36

Thats just a load of bullcrap you know why we are entitled, cause this event is rigged toward Proxy.
And this IS a reason to distrust this in addition of everything else they did and didnt do.
But fine if “its the term of the deal” then ok but the new term for me is never give any money to them and watch them die out slowly instead of supporting the game with hundreds of € because I thought somehow this company was honest and this game had a future.
What you say would be valid. If this event wasnt rigged as fuck toward proxy.

(bontsa) #37

@buffMonorail Haha ohwell I can bring the snacks to the campaign meetings I guess ;D

@Jesus I just want to point out, to disencourage mislead and mistargeted wrath over a mere video game character and uproar caused by it leading a silly popularity poll, that it’s two different things to boycott cases than to cease supporting the game development in terms of money completely. By for example buying mercs only which I do whenever one is released.

But, everyone’s allowed for an opinion. I just hope you wouldn’t so seriously go and overexaggerate yours. Humour is completely different story though.

(ImSploosh) #38

[quote=“NetflixandKill;175774”]See bottom for tl;dr

Hey, people can spam chat in game. Yeah, I’d prefer Stoker but I’d be cool with anyone except maybe Fletcher, but he’s in last. People can promote a merc in game if they want. I don’t know, nor do I care. I was merely giving a suggestion.

[quote=“Sploosh;175608”]You can’t use entitlement for paying customers. That word’s connotation tends to lean towards a spoiled child or something of that nature, not someone who paid for a product. Customers generally have some say in what they’re purchasing- this is one of those times where they deserve to have a say. I’m sure a good amount of people arguing for something like this have paid money and supported the game. It has nothing to do with being “entitled.” By giving their opinions and ideas, they are contributing to the games as well as the company behind it. That’s just how a proper business works when it comes to something consumer-related.

When you start ignoring your customers, you lose that trust, that loyalty, A loss of support or loyalty for a free-to-play game can easily be its ultimate downfall. Those who bought the Obsidian pack deserve some say into what they’re buying. Sure, they should have considered the outcome beforehand, but when there’s an outcry like this, it might be a good idea to “give the customer what they want.” So in a sense, yes, they’re entitled, but not in the way you put it. In this case, their entitlement is justified!

That’s how I see it anyways. Personally, I’m holding off on buying the Obsidian pack after the boosters incident and with Proxy in the lead, I’m not sure if I want it. I definitely prefer Stoker or Vassili. Knowing myself though, I’ll probably buy it anyways to show some support and get a new card/merc while I’m at it. [/quote]

Entitlement is actually the right word to describe this thread. These “paying customers” knew full well that the obsidian card would be of the most played merc, and now they want to whine because a merc they don’t like is winning, and now they feel entitled to receiving something they did not pay for: being able to personally choose their obsidian merc.

It’s not like SD or Nexon mislead customers into buying the obsidian case either; the terms of the deal were clearly indicated at the start of the event. In the future, perhaps, SD can give consumers “some say in what they’re purchasing” but for ReV customers are getting exactly what they paid for. Heck, I would have bought the event case if I was able to choose what merc I get, but I understood from the start that I would not receive that, that my money would not pay for that.

If anyone is loosing trust in Nexon over this obsidian case, then put bluntly, they’re stupid and shouldn’t have willingly spent their money if they didn’t understand the clear terms of the case, which is not Nexon’s fault but the customer’s. I agree that for F2P to work, the community must trust in the publisher, but this case will not cause significant loss in trust for Nexon. (If anything, I feel the case boosters caused a bigger trust issue, but that’s for another thread).

tl;dr People should have known what they were buying into. They now feel entitled to receive something they didn’t pay for, which is the ability to personally choose an obsidian. I agree consumers should have had more of a say in the merc they are receiving in the future, but for now, people are receiving what they paid for. This isn’t (or at least shouldn’t be) a reason for people to distrust SD and NxA.[/quote]

Yeah, you know what, you’re actually right. I was thinking more about the event in general I suppose. Specifically with the boosters and all that trouble they caused (and are still causing). Not really sure what I was thinking other. Maybe it’s from all the people using entitled to describe the boosters issue! :smiley:

(Randomdeath) #39

[quote=“Jesus;175591”]Yeah dont forget that a good part of proxy players are probably people who didnt even bought the obsidianthe obsidian card should be determined only by those who bought i dont see why people who didnt even bother to buy it should have an influence on what this card will be
Anyway i played overwatch the whole day and didnt even think about DB once they can stuff their @$!# proxy cards and their infinite beta game far up where I think now I probably wont play the game anymore nor give them any hope to see my money again if they dont change their which they probably wont.[/quote]

Add me on battle.net bb @ Randomdeath#11442

(Jesus) #40

[quote=“bontsa;175802”]@buffMonorail Haha ohwell I can bring the snacks to the campaign meetings I guess ;D

@Jesus I just want to point out, to disencourage mislead and mistargeted wrath over a mere video game character and uproar caused by it leading a silly popularity poll, that it’s two different things to boycott cases than to cease supporting the game development in terms of money completely. By for example buying mercs only which I do whenever one is released.

But, everyone’s allowed for an opinion. I just hope you wouldn’t so seriously go and overexaggerate yours. Humour is completely different story though.[/quote]

Oh im gonna cease completely supporting developpement. I just dont feel like its worth it at all. I got the obsidian just because i really wanted Aimée and I had the creds to buy her but if i didnt i couldnt have bought all the other objects as i cant play much lately and I just hoped it wouldnt be her as There was no way to guess who would win since we didnt knew the rotation before they happened.
And now because of their rigged event i paid 5€ for a shtty card on the shttiest merc
Never again.
They wont see anymore money from me. And when new mercs will be out ill buy them with credit. Like the good freeloader they cherrish. Ive invested quite an amount of money its over now Im not supporting them and their shitty ways anymore and I hope a lot of people will stop too