Idle penalty on ranked is BS.

(bgyoshi) #21

@Wintergreen said:

Merry Christmas. :smile: It’s your fault, not the game’s.

If my friends banned me from seeing them whenever I got a phone call or needed to pee while hanging out with them then I’d probably not hang out with those friends.

If my cable provider blacked out my sports show for two hours because I got up for a beer or, heaven forbid, my sports team banned me from their stadium because I bought a hot dog then yeah, I’d probably not watch sports either.

Sorry your Ranked game got jacked up by one afk user. It’s almost like 5v5 is a horrible format and 30 minutes + queue time is a ridiculous amount of time to expect players to wait before they can piss or let their dog go outside.

The whole mentality of imposing harsher and harsher punishments on Ranked players is majority cause for players to just avoid it completely. Even if Ranked was made to be everything I wanted it to be, if 50 seconds of AFK gets me a 2 hour ban, I won’t play it. Ever. And I’m more than certain I’m not the only person avoiding Ranked because of it.

If you want more players in Ranked, incentivize people to play it. Make it look attractive, instead of looking like a 35 - 60 minute unconditional commitment or else get banned.

#22

@bgyoshi said:

@Wintergreen said:

Merry Christmas. :smile: It’s your fault, not the game’s.

If my friends banned me from seeing them whenever I got a phone call or needed to pee while hanging out with them then I’d probably not hang out with those friends.

If my cable provider blacked out my sports show for two hours because I got up for a beer or, heaven forbid, my sports team banned me from their stadium because I bought a hot dog then yeah, I’d probably not watch sports either.

Sorry your Ranked game got jacked up by one afk user. It’s almost like 5v5 is a horrible format and 30 minutes + queue time is a ridiculous amount of time to expect players to wait before they can piss or let their dog go outside.

The whole mentality of imposing harsher and harsher punishments on Ranked players is majority cause for players to just avoid it completely. Even if Ranked was made to be everything I wanted it to be, if 50 seconds of AFK gets me a 2 hour ban, I won’t play it. Ever. And I’m more than certain I’m not the only person avoiding Ranked because of it.

If you want more players in Ranked, incentivize people to play it. Make it look attractive, instead of looking like a 35 - 60 minute unconditional commitment or else get banned.

I agree with more incentives to play (not cosmetic participation trophies that appeal to people who otherwise wouldn’t be in ranked), but disagree with the rest of your post. I think you’ve taken the analogy to an extreme end and at least from my perspective, I don’t think it’s unreasonable to dish out time restrictions on players that disrupt the game. 2 hours is not serious in my eyes, but it may be to others. Everyone has an opinion. We can agree to disagree.

Regardless, doesn’t seem anything can be done to make everyone satisfied because we lack the playerbase and activity in ranked. Some changes benefit one area while likely creating more issues in another. For example, matchmaking algorithms and queue times, progression based on individual or team effort, etc. I still enjoy it for what it is and may eventually become. I also genuinely think a lot of the crap directed at ranked is because people don’t do well and want to rationalize it by conjuring up a thousand problems they see in it.
I don’t even intend to sound like an elitist here, but this crowd exists in every competitive game. There’s always a circle-jerk community of hate and excuses for why they don’t like it or participate in it. The reality is very few people even care for competitive challenges nowadays; only a small % of any playerbase I can think of cares for that aspect of it. People just want shiny toys, skins, and fancy little badges to show for it. We can’t expect flawless consistency in a game with a small playerbase with varying reasons for playing.

(Sorotia) #23

@bgyoshi said:

@Wintergreen said:

Merry Christmas. :smile: It’s your fault, not the game’s.

If my friends banned me from seeing them whenever I got a phone call or needed to pee while hanging out with them then I’d probably not hang out with those friends.

If my cable provider blacked out my sports show for two hours because I got up for a beer or, heaven forbid, my sports team banned me from their stadium because I bought a hot dog then yeah, I’d probably not watch sports either.

Sorry your Ranked game got jacked up by one afk user. It’s almost like 5v5 is a horrible format and 30 minutes + queue time is a ridiculous amount of time to expect players to wait before they can piss or let their dog go outside.

The whole mentality of imposing harsher and harsher punishments on Ranked players is majority cause for players to just avoid it completely. Even if Ranked was made to be everything I wanted it to be, if 50 seconds of AFK gets me a 2 hour ban, I won’t play it. Ever. And I’m more than certain I’m not the only person avoiding Ranked because of it.

If you want more players in Ranked, incentivize people to play it. Make it look attractive, instead of looking like a 35 - 60 minute unconditional commitment or else get banned.

Does getting a beer or taking a pee all but guarantee a loss for your team?

Do you enjoy losing games because someone decides to go afk, may even be trolling for free points?

It’s two hours…for causing 2 teams to lose most likely…make it sound like they banned you for two weeks and took all your ranked points away.

(bgyoshi) #24

@Sorotia said:

Does getting a beer or taking a pee all but guarantee a loss for your team?

Do you enjoy losing games because someone decides to go afk, may even be trolling for free points?

It’s two hours…for causing 2 teams to lose most likely…make it sound like they banned you for two weeks and took all your ranked points away.

Does 50 seconds of 4v5 out of 15 minutes cause your entire team to lose? Does 2 minutes of 4v5 cause your entire team to lose?

Your team is probably garbage and won’t win anyway.

If they afk at the start, you have tons of time to push once your teammate returns.

If they afk at the end, you had tons of time before to win.

If they afk in the middle, you had tons of time before to win, and have plenty of time afterwards to win.

Cut the beginning timers down to 7 minutes and award more time after completing the first obj. People that go into a game needing to pee and holding it can go piss if they lose after 7 minutes. They can run and piss once the obj is completed because their team will have extra time on the board.

And then give a 3 minute intermission between halves. Then they can piss, let the dog out, answer the door, whatever, before the next round.

The current system is garbage.

#25

@bgyoshi said:
Does 50 seconds of 4v5 out of 15 minutes cause your entire team to lose? Does 2 minutes of 4v5 cause your entire team to lose?

Honestly, it really can. This is why being mindful of spawn timers when pushing can make a world of difference for ensuring plants. Doesn’t matter how good the opposing team is, it’s over if you longspawn their engineers for 25 seconds. The current system is beyond functional and better than it’s been previously, but it’s not perfect. I wouldn’t even call it good, but “garbage” is a stretch.

(bgyoshi) #26

@Wintergreen said:

Honestly, it really can. This is why being mindful of spawn timers when pushing can make a world of difference for ensuring plants. Doesn’t matter how good the opposing team is, it’s over if you longspawn their engineers for 25 seconds. The current system is beyond functional and better than it’s been previously, but it’s not perfect. I wouldn’t even call it good, but “garbage” is a stretch.

If a 15 minute half is decided by 50 seconds of play then yes, it’s trash. If a team that is given 14m 10s at the start has no chance of winning against the team that had 15 minutes at the start, but the sheer virtue of lacking 50 seconds, then yes, it’s trash. If a 15 minute game is lost because the engineer got long spawned on their first-wave death, it’s trash.

It’s true the game can swing in someone else’s favor in any given 50 seconds, but that doesn’t mean that you automatically lose when you’re missing 50 seconds.

And to pretend that wasting 50 seconds or even 2 minutes out of 15 is a death sentence for your team is just plain misrepresentation of the game. If that was true then every team that attacks first and wins in under 15 minutes automatically wins the game, because that means the opponent has less than 15 minutes to complete the objectives. This isn’t Starcraft where the entire game requires 450apm and any hitch at any point in time causes a definite loss.

But you’re right, if an adult can’t ensure that they will have 0 interruptions of any kind for an entire hour, then they shouldn’t play Ranked. And guess what? They don’t play it.

And Ranked participation is so low is screws up the matchmaking.

And people complain that Ranked isn’t popular enough and whine that there aren’t more players in such a “superior” mode.

And it’s going to stay that way for as long as the system stays the way it is.

Especially if being an adult is cause for a 2 hour ban.

But hey, if the only reason you play DB is to play Ranked, and you only get 2 hours a week to play (like most adults with a job and a place to live), getting 2 hour ban on your one night you get to play because you had to piss and your salty team vote-kicked you for an unreasonably short afk timer, then yeah, I wouldn’t play DB either.

TL;DR OP, stick to casual. It’s a lot more fun. Let Ranked die. They might actually try to change it if it gets more unpopular.

(ThePigVomit) #27

@Bgyoshi , that was the stupidest thing ive read all day. Ill not give it creedence by quoting it.

It’s so bad, I’m unable to correct my grammar as my brain has gone into lockdown to prevent further damage.

Do the world a favor and stop posting such drivel.

I’m usually not one to rail against people, opinions are cool. But good god, that’s Trump level idiocy.

#28

@bgyoshi said:
But hey, if the only reason you play DB is to play Ranked, and you only get 2 hours a week to play (like most adults with a job and a place to live), getting 2 hour ban on your one night you get to play because you had to piss and your salty team vote-kicked you for an unreasonably short afk timer, then yeah, I wouldn’t play DB either.

This is not too far off from the lifestyle I have to live and work around as well, yet I’m able to make it work when I need to. Ranked is also one of the primary reasons I play this game. I enjoy competitive modes and while it’s nowhere near a perfect state as I mentioned above, it does give me a lot of what I look for - at least more than the other modes. I hardly play more than 3 hours a week during the ranked offseasons because I don’t have a mode like Execution to dick around in now and casual OBJ/SW has gotten repetitive and obnoxious to me. I’ll digress on this now To each their own, buddy.

(Sorotia) #29

@bgyoshi said:

@Sorotia said:

Does getting a beer or taking a pee all but guarantee a loss for your team?

Do you enjoy losing games because someone decides to go afk, may even be trolling for free points?

It’s two hours…for causing 2 teams to lose most likely…make it sound like they banned you for two weeks and took all your ranked points away.

Does 50 seconds of 4v5 out of 15 minutes cause your entire team to lose? Does 2 minutes of 4v5 cause your entire team to lose?

Your team is probably garbage and won’t win anyway.

If they afk at the start, you have tons of time to push once your teammate returns.

If they afk at the end, you had tons of time before to win.

If they afk in the middle, you had tons of time before to win, and have plenty of time afterwards to win.

Cut the beginning timers down to 7 minutes and award more time after completing the first obj. People that go into a game needing to pee and holding it can go piss if they lose after 7 minutes. They can run and piss once the obj is completed because their team will have extra time on the board.

And then give a 3 minute intermission between halves. Then they can piss, let the dog out, answer the door, whatever, before the next round.

The current system is garbage.

Except if you’re getting auto-kicked for inactivity it is more than a 45 second break…

If you’re going into a rated game maybe I don’t know…take a pee or grab a beer before you start?

(bgyoshi) #30

@Sorotia said:

If you’re going into a rated game maybe I don’t know…take a pee or grab a beer before you start?

Because people that have been sitting in a Ranked queue for 10-15 minutes are totally inclined to abandon that queue because they suddenly have to piss when they didn’t before.

Because you can control when you get work calls. Because you can totally tell if a phone call is an emergency just by looking at the caller ID. Because every package delivery service ever tells you the exact hour they will arrive during the day. Because a million different interruptions that require 45 seconds but not a minute and need attention right at that moment.

And if the kick is an autokick then that’s just more unreasonable garbage.

It’s already been pointed out that trolls who are simply there to stay idle and waste everyone’s time will move around to avoid activating a kick timer for idle, so why have one? You’re trying to solve an issue by punishing the wrong person.

@Wintergreen you enjoy what you enjoy and that’s fine. That doesn’t change the fact that it’s unreasonable to boot and ban someone that gets a normal unpredictable interruption in their day at that moment. And it’s more unreasonable for a team of 4 to be punished because one of their teammates had an unavoidable interruption that lasted less than a minute in a 15 minute long half. And it’s unreasonable to force players to play uninterrupted for so long. And it’s unreasonable to assume that everyone on both teams are going to be so understanding at all times that they’ll actually accept a vote to pause.

It’s not unreasonable to implement a system that shortens the game when it should be shorter (stomps or imbalanced teams), and add more time where it should be longer (when teams progress through objectives). It’s not unreasonable to punish people that get vote-kicked (trolls idling on purpose and avoiding afk timers) by the team, and to increase the afk timer to 2 or 3 minutes so that people have time to have an interruption anywhere from peeing to having to run to the door to sign for a package that has arrived, without being punished for it. It’s not hard to say “BRB DOOR PLZ DON’T KICK” and do your thing and return to the game. And if your team is vote-kicking you for that then they have no right to complain about idlers.

(ThunderZsolt) #31

@bgyoshi If one team lacks a player for 50 seconds, the other team completes the objective 50 seconds faster, and win - this is how stopwatch works.

Aslo, you are talking about adults, who can’t hold back their piss for 30 minues or what?

Anyway, there is a mode for them, it is called casual, and by playing casual you don’t really lose anything but shiny cosmetics and a lot of saltyness (also teamkillers)

(bgyoshi) #32

@ThunderZsolt said:
@bgyoshi If one team lacks a player for 50 seconds, the other team completes the objective 50 seconds faster, and win - this is how stopwatch works.

Aslo, you are talking about adults, who can’t hold back their piss for 30 minues or what?

Some people can’t. Hard to believe but there are disorders and health problems in the world that affect a lot of people and are invisible to others. There are plenty more interruptions that can happen and are unavoidable aside from pissing.

Anyway, there is a mode for them, it is called casual, and by playing casual you don’t really lose anything but shiny cosmetics and a lot of saltyness (also teamkillers)

Hence my suggestion.

#33

You don’t need to abandon a queue to take a piss. They take a lifetime and then some to place us into a match, right? Go take care of your business in the 5-10 minutes it takes to get placed. You have 50 seconds to accept the match. Turn the volume up before you leave and then you’ll have plenty of time to get back when you hear it found a match. That’s what I do.

Edit: I’ll reply to your last point there in a bit. I’m not home @bgyoshi

(bgyoshi) #34

@Wintergreen said:
You don’t need to abandon a queue to take a piss. They take a lifetime and then some to place us into a match, right? Go take care of your business in the 5-10 minutes it takes to get placed. You have 50 seconds to accept the match. Turn the volume up before you leave and then you’ll have plenty of time to get back when you hear it found a match. That’s what I do.

Heaven forbid you accept a match and get 2 minutes into the game when you realize you gotta piss.

Heaven forbid you jump up to go and get a match accept screen once you get into the bathroom and lose out on that match and need to re-queue for another 20 minutes.

I dunno about y’all but I don’t go to the bathroom if I don’t have to go at that time. And I dunno about y’all but I don’t speed piss. Even with the bathroom literally 10 feet away, it takes me at least 60 seconds to get there, piss, wash hands, get back. And I’m a guy. It’s longer for women that need to sit to begin and wipe thoroughly before they leave.

And again, that’s just one common interruption of the tons of short interruptions we all get all the time. Lucky you, it happened during queue.

Punishing players for unavoidable life events, bad
Punishing trolls, good

#35

@bgyoshi said:

@Wintergreen said:
You don’t need to abandon a queue to take a piss. They take a lifetime and then some to place us into a match, right? Go take care of your business in the 5-10 minutes it takes to get placed. You have 50 seconds to accept the match. Turn the volume up before you leave and then you’ll have plenty of time to get back when you hear it found a match. That’s what I do.

Heaven forbid you accept a match and get 2 minutes into the game when you realize you gotta piss.

Heaven forbid you jump up to go and get a match accept screen once you get into the bathroom and lose out on that match and need to re-queue for another 20 minutes.

I dunno about y’all but I don’t go to the bathroom if I don’t have to go at that time. And I dunno about y’all but I don’t speed piss. Even with the bathroom literally 10 feet away, it takes me at least 60 seconds to get there, piss, wash hands, get back. And I’m a guy. It’s longer for women that need to sit to begin and wipe thoroughly before they leave.

And again, that’s just one common interruption of the tons of short interruptions we all get all the time. Lucky you, it happened during queue.

Punishing players for unavoidable life events, bad
Punishing trolls, good

I understand your points - and it’s unfortunate when **** happens - but I think this all boils down to individual accountability and your perspective is selfish. Yes, it sucks when things come up, but when they do come up I do not expect the game to cater to me or necessarily forgive me, nor do I expect everyone to be able to sit and wait for me to return either. We’re talking minor penalties here, keep that in mind. When I have to, say, go pick up my grandad because his truck breaks down or make a run for the bathroom because I ate some garbage Mexican food, my first inclination is not be bitter towards the game because I’m locked out temporarily now. My thoughts are more along the lines ‘damn, that sucks, and I probably just screwed over my entire team too. I’ll come back when I feel it’s a better time.’ But that’s life and I accept that; depending on the severity or urgency of what came up, I may not even give an ounce of a damn about a video game at the moment in the first place.

The bottom line is whether disconnecting, quitting, or having to leave for a while is intentional or an unfortunate accident, it is detrimental to everyone else participating in ranked. It affects everyone. I myself would like to see more penalties for reoccuring quitting and the like, but I get that arguments could be made in favor of and against this. It’s just the way I operate, chalk it up to how I was raised. What I cannot see, however, are many arguments that could be made in favor of no punishments/penalties whatsoever for the things mentioned above. Do you really believe more good than bad would come out of allowing players to back out of queues, regularly disconnect, rage quit, team kill, and so on without facing any kind of consequences? The game cannot determine whether you’re guilty of leaving intentionally or you simply had to 'cause things came up. The game should not have to.

(bgyoshi) #36

@Wintergreen said:
Do you really believe more good than bad would come out of allowing players to back out of queues, regularly disconnect, rage quit, team kill, and so on without facing any kind of consequences? The game cannot determine whether you’re guilty of leaving intentionally or you simply had to 'cause things came up. The game should not have to.

The point isn’t to remove all consequences possible. The point is not to impose consequences on ridiculous things like a 50 second afk timer.

Why is the penalty stack window 12 hours? Are you kidding? I was autokicked for pissing at 1am on a Saturday morning and then autokicked for answering the door at 11am the same day, and I get banned until 1pm?

Why not punish the behavior of trolls instead? If someone gets afk kicked twice in 12 hours, it’s unlikely they’re being a troll.

How many Ranked games are you reasonably going through in 2 hours if you play fully? If queue + game takes 40 minutes on average, then a person queuing and playing a full game could expect to get through maybe 3 matches in 2 hours. So if they abandon 3 matches in 2 hours, give them a 2 hour ban. If they’re being trolls, their team is probably vote-kicking them, so why not punish after 2 vote-kicks in 2 hours? Why not make that penalty even harsher for being vote-kicked twice within 1 hour?

A 12 hour window is just ridiculous. A 6 hour window is just ridiculous. A 2 hour window is… wayyyy more reasonable. And if a troll is ruining 2 games every 2 hours, they probably aren’t really having an impact on THAT MANY games. And if people are reporting those trolls every time, they start racking up reports on top of their in-game kicks.

There are far better ways to enact penalties on behavior that is more likely to be done by trolls and less likely to be done by accidents.

OPs complaint is very understandable.

(Begin2018) #37

Ranked is supposed to be a competitive mode then 4v5 is not fair at all. The rules must be enforced, not relaxed.

(Sorotia) #38

Just stop…you aren’t getting kicked out of games for being afk for 50 seconds…hell half the time you can’t kick people for being afk for several minutes.

You don’t like that you’re being penalized for very likely causing multiple teams to lose in competitive play…then don’t do competitive?

You make it sound like being banned for a few hours is a eternity…if you’re so busy you can’t even sit down for 30 minutes in a single day without getting interrupted multiple times I’m sure you can find something to do to pass those 2 hours.

Basically what it sounds like is “I caused multiple teams to lose, it isn’t fair I should get penalized!”

(ThePigVomit) #39

Don’t argue with idiots. They’ll only drag you down to their level and beat you with experience…unless they have to pee…then they’ll go AFK…

(GatoCommodore) #40

ive said it and i will repeat it again

there are many intentional AFK
(most of these are newbies which makes up the 80% of DB players)

they went AFK because they want to get ez ranked points
they usually do this when they see Cobalt or gold in their team and thinks
“oh yeah dude, im gonna get carried. Might as well just AFK.”

they move their mouse every 30 sec so the kick wont get triggered.

if you want to be angry, go angry at the people who abuse Idling.
its their fault we have system like this in place.

we could have a really fun and nice in-game enviorment but human nature of being lazy and want to use others to fuel their lazyness made it this way.

the only right way to do it is have SD fix the “getting disconnected randomly” when in a match.