I want to love this game, I really do

[ucheehcu]

I’m gonna rant here for a bit because I’m still mad at what just happened.
Played a casual match with my roommate, wanting to finish some of those missions for credits and generally have some fun.
The start of the match itself already was an indication of how horrible it was gonna be, where my team consisted of 5 players, and the enemy team consisted of 7 players, because someone on our team immediately went into spectatormode in the first second. Our team had lower levels (6, 11, 15) while the enemy team had at least one lvl 50, one lvl 34, and some other higher levels.
The guy who went into spectatormode stayed there the entire match, hogging one of the player slots on the server, blocking us from having a 7th teammember the whole time.
For some reason, our team actually didn’t do too badly, and we managed to push the EV (we played Chapel) in good time.
However, 2 minutes into the second objective, my game suddenly closed for no reason. There wasn’t any message, it just went straight back to windows. I quickly started it up again and re-joined through my roommate, but then my whole score was reset back to 0. I’d been frustrated the entire match because of the imbalance and the one guy hogging the player slot by spectating, then the game crashed and I got pretty pissed off but decided to re-join because I wanted my points. When I saw the score of 0 I just raged in chat a bit and left because, as you can imagine, I was pretty mad.

The thing is, this game really gels with me. The movement, controls, gunplay, it’s all great, and whenever I’m in a well balanced match I’m having just so much fun. Problem is, without exaggerating, over 80% of the matches I play are unbalanced: people leaving; high players stacked against low players; just general stupidity like people literally staring at a wall for a minute and throwing an airstrike at their own feet, several times over. And then there’s matches like this one where I just want to slap people around until they make this game a consistently fun experience. I have more hours in this game than I have in almost any other game, and I really want to put more into it, but I’m starting to reach my limit.

Rant over.

[henki000]

Try some ranked? Check your log to see why crash happened.

[teflonlove]

@henki000 said:
Try some ranked?

That’s just mean!

[TitaniumRapture]

Spectating in this game sucks.

[AlbinMatt]

@TitaniumRapture said:
Spectating in this game sucks.

Just separate the playing participants with the spectators. That’s all they need to do, yet here we are.

[Melinder]

@AlbinMatt said:

@TitaniumRapture said:
Spectating in this game sucks.

Just separate the playing participants with the spectators. That’s all they need to do, yet here we are.

The simpler solution would be to remove spectating from Public servers altogether. If you think somebody is cheating, report them. It’s EAC and SD’s job to ban players, not ours, we’re simply here to give them a push in the right direction. You “feed the troll”, as they say, by staying in the server any longer than you have to. Report the player, record if you have the opportunity (being on the same team and spectating while you’re dead), if not, leave the server, they’ll get bored of cheating against 1 person.

There is nothing worth spectating in a Public server. It’s uncoordinated, autistic, and full of jumping shotgun Proxy’s. It does more harm than good.

[Melinder]

@ucheehcu

At the end of the day, it’s a free to play game - a vacuum for some of the dumbest people on the face of this Earth. Either put up with it, or leave, that’s the harsh truth.

and remember,

High Level ≠ High Skill

In a game with a skill ceiling as high as Dirty Bomb, the slightest variation of skill can be the difference between a balanced game, or a stomp going either way. We don’t have the population to match every player with a player of equal skill. The system does the best it can with what it has to work with.

[ucheehcu]

@henki000 said:
Check your log to see why crash happened.

Where do I go to find this?

@Melinder said:
@ucheehcu

At the end of the day, it’s a free to play game - a vacuum for some of the dumbest people on the face of this Earth. Either put up with it, or leave, that’s the harsh truth.

While I agree with this sentiment to some degree, this kind of thinking will just kill off games like this, which can actually be really great games. Honestly, I actually just started playing again after well over a year off because of the exact same reasons. Put in about 50 or so hours since I started playing at the start of June I think, but it’s already back to the point where I just want to stop playing again until things get better, and I know they won’t.

and remember,

High Level ≠ High Skill

Definitely true, but I just mentioned the levels because I knew my rant would become kind of long already so I kept it short there. The other team definitely had the more skilled players while my team was mostly stupid. We had a lvl 11 Phoenix who had not even a single revive in the entire match, for example, and the lvl 50 on their team was one of those Fraggers who knows exactly when to throw a grenade to take out half the team that just respawned.
Frankly, only me and my roommate were really doing much, and we both had over 4x the score of the third guy, who seemed to actually have some skill but was just stomped by the enemy repeatedly.
And that is exactly how most of my matches go, where my team is just a bunch of bumbling idiots who can barely look at an enemy, let alone aim and shoot, while the enemy team works together to just shove our combined faces into the dirt with impunity.

Hell, last week, I kid you not, I had a round on Trainyard, as attackers, where 4 of my team members were just running around the spawn area getting killed, while teammember #5 decided Vasili would be the best idea ever and ran to the back wall of the starting area, trying (and failing) to get shots on the enemies.
Someone did a shuffle vote, it passed, my 4 droolers went to the defending team and 4 of their top went to my team… and then suddenly the 4 idiots turned into gods and my 4 new colleagues suddenly had their brains forcefully removed in the shuffling process.
I am convinced this game has sentience and hates me and tries its best to make my DB career as miserable as possible.

[GatoCommodore]

most people need to make repeated mistake(s) or even a shout to learn the game.

dont be shy to ask that level 5 vasilli to ‘CHANGE THAT FUGGEN MERC’ because we both know he will probably did 5/21 and bottom scoring.

or that Phoenix that dont use their healing because “They forgot that they are medic”

[teflonlove]

@Melinder said:
At the end of the day, it’s a free to play game - a vacuum for some of the dumbest people on the face of this Earth.

Yeah, I so miss the eloquence of all the sophisticated CS GO players. Adding a price tag to a game makes all the difference.

[STARRYSOCK]

I haven’t read most of the posts here so excuse me if I’m saying that’s already been said, but these are public matches, they’re meant to be casual and sometimes even mess around in.
You’re under no obligation to stay, and you can easily leave and find another server with your friend to play in. If you want to enjoy casual matches, you can’t take them seriously all of the time.

The issue is that ranked, the game mode that should be balanced and bypass all these issues of high skilled players unbalancing matches, is even less balanced than public matches.
The problem is not casual matches being casual, it’s that there’s no ranked alternative, because ranked is just as broken.

I do believe this game should record your score in case of crashes in public matches though. My game frequently crashes, and I see no reason why score should be lost when you just rejoin in the same amount of time it takes to wait through a long spawn timer.

[ImSploosh]

To be honest, I don’t experience many unbalanced matches. Not nearly as much as it seems that everyone else does. Sure, games aren’t perfect, but no online game will give you perfectly balanced matches because there’s always gonna be a few players that tip the scale. In pubs especially, it’s better to just forget about the balance and play for fun. Remember to always tbag others and play dirty!

[AlbinMatt]

@teflonlove said:

@Melinder said:
At the end of the day, it’s a free to play game - a vacuum for some of the dumbest people on the face of this Earth.

Yeah, I so miss the eloquence of all the sophisticated CS GO players. Adding a price tag to a game makes all the difference.

ELOquence Indeed.

[Melinder]

@teflonlove said:

@Melinder said:
At the end of the day, it’s a free to play game - a vacuum for some of the dumbest people on the face of this Earth.

Yeah, I so miss the eloquence of all the sophisticated CS GO players. Adding a price tag to a game makes all the difference.

Never did I say that bad players don’t exist in pay to play games., only that the ratio of bad players is generally much higher in free to play games compared to that of pay to play.

Continuing from your example of Counter Strike, research shows that the distribution of players in matchmaking is as shown:

There are no statistics for Dirty Bomb, but if I was to create a chart of the same nature (using Counter Strike ranks as a general indication of skill), using what I have experienced over 100+ levels in Dirty Bomb, it would look something like this:

[kopyright]

@Melinder said:
There is nothing worth spectating in a Public server. It’s uncoordinated, autistic, and full of jumping shotgun Proxy’s. It does more harm than good.

You honestly believe Ranked is free of shotgun jumping?

[Melinder]

@kopyright said:

@Melinder said:
There is nothing worth spectating in a Public server. It’s uncoordinated, autistic, and full of jumping shotgun Proxy’s. It does more harm than good.

You honestly believe Ranked is free of shotgun jumping?

There is no spectating in Ranked, only Public servers, which was the issue I was discussing, not the shotgun epidemic.

[M4st0d0n]

@Melinder said:

@teflonlove said:

@Melinder said:
At the end of the day, it’s a free to play game - a vacuum for some of the dumbest people on the face of this Earth.

Yeah, I so miss the eloquence of all the sophisticated CS GO players. Adding a price tag to a game makes all the difference.

Never did I say that bad players don’t exist in pay to play games., only that the ratio of bad players is generally much higher in free to play games compared to that of pay to play.

Continuing from your example of Counter Strike, research shows that the distribution of players in matchmaking is as shown:

There are no statistics for Dirty Bomb, but if I was to create a chart of the same nature (using Counter Strike ranks as a general indication of skill), using what I have experienced over 100+ levels in Dirty Bomb, it would look something like this:

Actually, with high player turnover from free to play, high skill ceiling, the game existing for three years now and the power multiplier of elite parties, I’m betting we may see a log-normal repartition.

[ucheehcu]

@GatoCommodore said:
most people need to make repeated mistake(s) or even a shout to learn the game.

dont be shy to ask that level 5 vasilli to ‘CHANGE THAT FUGGEN MERC’ because we both know he will probably did 5/21 and bottom scoring.

or that Phoenix that dont use their healing because “They forgot that they are medic”

Believe me, I try this all the time. When half our team is Vasili I first ask them kindly to change, then be a bit more direct, but it almost never works. They don’t care, they won’t listen.
Same with medics who don’t even seem to realize they can do things like heal and revive. I’ve even had Auras run up to me when downed, look at me for a few seconds trying to figure out what to do, and then apparently seeing the pop-up text… so they help me up the regular non-medic way. I tell them to use the paddles but it’s no use.
And then I haven’t even gotten to the complete ignorance regarding objectives yet. How many times a simple run to an EV could have saved a round. How often I’ve seen a C4 being defused while the enemy team only had one non-engineer merc alive while 4 or 5 people in my team were stumbling around…
I’ve told these people countless times what to do, in friendly ways, in less friendly (but still not outright hostile) ways. On average, the best reaction is none at all, but there’s a lot of people who will just call me names or worse, spam cyka blyat.
There’s only so many hours of that I can take before I’m just done.

@STARRYSOCK said:
I haven’t read most of the posts here so excuse me if I’m saying that’s already been said, but these are public matches, they’re meant to be casual and sometimes even mess around in.
You’re under no obligation to stay, and you can easily leave and find another server with your friend to play in. If you want to enjoy casual matches, you can’t take them seriously all of the time.

There’s a difference between messing around for fun and being lobbed into a team of brain-dead crash victims stacked against a bunch of try-harding Fraggers and Fletchers. Which is kind of an extreme example such things happen on a more-than-regular basis with me. As said above to the other person in this post, there’s only so many hours of that I can take before I’m just done.

And I know I can just back out and join a new one. But here’s the problem: I’ve been doing exactly that for the past week with every match I felt was unbalanced, filled with clueless idiots or otherwise boring. Even if it was one of the rare matches where I was in the good team and we stomped the other guys mercilessly.
I then go to join another match and… it’s exactly the same. And the next one too. So in the end I just have to settle for one of those matches and hope I can get my points for the missions, because at that point I’m definitely not playing for fun.

I do believe this game should record your score in case of crashes in public matches though. My game frequently crashes, and I see no reason why score should be lost when you just rejoin in the same amount of time it takes to wait through a long spawn timer.

This was one of the main reasons I started posting this, because as you can tell, I was just going for the points then and suddenly I lost it all and spent 10 minutes in frustration for nothing. I’m no expert, but I imagine it shouldn’t be too hard to hold on to a player’s score in the event they get booted from the game so they can continue where they left off.

[henki000]

@ucheehcu

C:\Users\your username\Documents\My Games\UnrealEngine3\ShooterGame\Logs

[kittz0r]

@STARRYSOCK

still this Game is Objective based and not some random Team Deathmatch bullcrap. If you don’t have fun by playing the Game how it got designed for, then fuck off (not meaning you here ofc)

I wouldn’t care if SD takes some Objective/SW/Exe Servers and turns them into TDM, so the players who destroy DB can go play there and don’t annoy normal thinking beings.