I find it funny that...
to make that statement shows you haven’t followed the news on this at all.
you obviously have not read many forums?
this is a steam game, go check how much love people have for s/d after buying this game
i’d say from what ive seen about 1 in 10 posts on the steam forum are just trollers (kinda like you)
and the rest are mostly (probably upwards of 90% but im guessing) are all people who bought this game and cant get it to work. so your comment about “for most its working” is so far from the truth its astonishing that you could even make that remark and actually expect people to believe it, is even more astonishing. i joked with someone on here about how much sd was paying them but in your case i think it might actually be the truth.
almost everyone i know or have spoken to has MAJOR issues with this game.
I have been pc gaming since ages of empires (mid 90’s ) and with over 400 games in my steam library , i have never seen a launch so buggy and broken on the scale this is,
to make the statement you just made shows how disconnected from the situation you actually are
the mentality of “it works great for me so everyone else should just shut-up” is really helping the average gamer…thanks for the support in killing the industry
[QUOTE=murtle52;314379]to make that statement shows you haven’t followed the news on this at all.
you obviously have not read many forums?
almost everyone i know or have spoken to has MAJOR issues with this game.[/QUOTE]
We’d be seeing thousands more people in these forums if it wasn’t working for everyone. The people for whom it isn’t working are obviously the most vocal about the issues. The people for whom it is working are all off blissfully playing the game or doing other things.
I have been pc gaming since ages of empires (mid 90’s ) and with over 400 games in my steam library , i have never seen a launch so buggy and broken on the scale this is,
to make the statement you just made shows how disconnected from the situation you actually are
Is this supposed to impress me? Not that it matters, but I’ve been gaming on computers for a decade longer than you. You’re making an appeal to authority logical fallacy. How long you’ve been gaming has no direct baring on your level of expertise, it only makes a statement about how long you’ve been gaming.
the mentality of “it works great for me so everyone else should just shut-up” is really helping the average gamer…thanks for the support in killing the industry
First, I made no such statement. I do imply that being overly hostile and whiny isn’t going to accomplish anything though. I know it’s not working for a lot of people. And I’ve been spending time on several forums trying to help people and get it working for them. I’m not a paid employee and do this on my own time. Also, please provide sources which have the data to back up your claim that such behavior is “killing the industry”. The PC gaming industry is thriving. And without any sources I could just as easily state that it’s attitude such as yours that is killing the industry (which is also untrue because as I’ve said, the industry is thriving). It’s hyperbole and holds no weight without research.
have you even seen the numbers on steam…for the people who bought this game as opposed to the people actually playing it…numbers and stats don’t lie man
no it shows that when ive been gaming that long and have NEVER seen anything so bad as this launch, that i may be onto something
THQ is my favorite publisher and is actually in contention to compete with companies like EA and Activision (who dominate every facet of this industry) lost 52 million last year and 136 million this year when sales are at a record high.
http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2011/05/03/business-technology-us-thq-earnings_8448182.html
i’ll get others if you like
oh and while the console industry is thriving , it was pc gaming i was referencing
and if you have any doubts…you can check those numbers on that one company if you like and i’ll get more for you if you want
every corner/facet of pc gaming is dying out because of companies like this making releases like this.
go to any search engine and check this yourself (takes 10 seconds) to get stats on pc gaming’s decline
yes the video game industry is thriving but not the pc industry
Your link only shows THQ didn’t earn as much this fiscal year as it did last. It makes games for consoles too, and there’s no break-out showing revenue from consoles vs PC’s. You could look at plenty other earnings reports that show growth and increased revenue.
EA is up by about $110 million from last year:
Activision/Blizzard is up by about $140 million from last year:
People have been making the claim that PC gaming is dying for many years, it’s not. Here’s a report from Rock, Paper, Shotgun:
[QUOTE=Moonlighter;314526]Your link only shows THQ didn’t earn as much this fiscal year as it did last. It makes games for consoles too, and there’s no break-out showing revenue from consoles vs PC’s. You could look at plenty other earnings reports that show growth and increased revenue.
EA is up by about $110 million from last year:
http://files.shareholder.com/downloads/ERTS/1261799417x0x464980/27422149-8551-4437-b843-7ff72e381473/Q4%20FY%20Press%20Release%20with%20Press%20Tables.pdf
Activision/Blizzard is up by about $140 million from last year:
People have been making the claim that PC gaming is dying for many years, it’s not. Here’s a report from Rock, Paper, Shotgun:
as i stated above , using EA and Activision is a bad example because they are the two biggest companies producing console games and that again as i stated already that they dominate every facet of the gaming industry, so…bad example
(not to mention we will be talking about originality later on when Activision does c.o.d part 12 and EA does battlefield part 8)
i got link that you asked for once i’m not going to go back and forth posting links that contradict each others opinions
bottom line,
the game was launched very poorly, (i think having every brink forum on the web flooded by people who can’t play it on numerous platforms proves this)
and if pc gaming is so dominant?.. then why are games like this which are clearly designed for pc gamers made for consoles and ported to pc?
almost all games for pc in the last 4-5 years have been ported from console, which makes pc gaming the weakest platform for titles, when the obvious power and performance of 90% of pc gaming machines out there far exceeds any console availible
then why do these games suck hardest on pc release?
this is the type of business practice that will eventually kill pc gaming
Actually, many games have their help forums flooded with people unable to play the game or experiencing bugs upon release. It’s just more noticeable when you’re having the problem too. I didn’t say PC gaming is dominant, clearly the consoles tend to have higher sales numbers than PC. Consoles are cheaper and far more foolproof than PCs, which results in larger number of console users than PC users. Both markets are growing. I very specifically have stated PC gaming is “thriving”, not “dominant.”
almost all games for pc in the last 4-5 years have been ported from console, which makes pc gaming the weakest platform for title
I’d need to see corroborating data for this statement. I do not believe this to be accurate. Your statement implies that a game was developed for one or more consoles first, then brought over to PC when it’s been my experience that most games that are cross-platform were developed simultaneously for both. It’s not a port if that happens.
Also, anecdotally, my experience has generally been that every cross-platform game I’ve played on the PC I’ve enjoyed more than the console counterpart. Fallout 3, Oblivion, Mass Effect, Borderlands, GTA4, and a number of other games I’ve all felt played and ran better on the PC than console. Granted, this is merely a statement of opinion. You may disagree and neither of us would be wrong.
I never saw moderator or some guy from bethesda posting in the forums for 4 days or something.
Support?Where?I don’t see any.
Am i supposed to call some weird number where i have to say to some random guy from Bethesda/SD that your game runs like **** and how dare you to sell people who followed your development/hype of the game for months and months or even years? :rolleyes:
[QUOTE=Moonlighter;314586]Actually, many games have their help forums flooded with people unable to play the game or experiencing bugs upon release. It’s just more noticeable when you’re having the problem too. I didn’t say PC gaming is dominant, clearly the consoles tend to have higher sales numbers than PC. Consoles are cheaper and far more foolproof than PCs, which results in larger number of console users than PC users. Both markets are growing. I very specifically have stated PC gaming is “thriving”, not “dominant.”
I’d need to see corroborating data for this statement. I do not believe this to be accurate. Your statement implies that a game was developed for one or more consoles first, then brought over to PC when it’s been my experience that most games that are cross-platform were developed simultaneously for both. It’s not a port if that happens.
Also, anecdotally, my experience has generally been that every cross-platform game I’ve played on the PC I’ve enjoyed more than the console counterpart. Fallout 3, Oblivion, Mass Effect, Borderlands, GTA4, and a number of other games I’ve all felt played and ran better on the PC than console. Granted, this is merely a statement of opinion. You may disagree and neither of us would be wrong.[/QUOTE]
well to put your opening statement in context, when all my friends bought this for pc at the same time, all have gaming rigs, and none of them can play it, i think that alone makes this very apparently more problematic then any game ive ever seen, and sorry but ive never seen game forums flooded to the extent and to the technical degree that ive seen these and other forums regarding this game.
I seem to remember in 2004 HL2 owners with nvidia cards having problems similar to this and almost on as widespread a scale, but not this bad.
i love how people who don’t agree with you always want some kind of supporting evidence (you haven’t made one post without asking for evidence even after i gave you links in my first reply) instead of me giving you a huuuuuge list of games that have been ported to pc from console lets just give you the ones on my steam games list (which isn’t that big compared to some)
Ninja Blade
–Assassins Creed
–Borderlands
– Prince of Persia games
–Mass Effect 2
–Fable
–GTA IV
–Gears of War
–Metal Gear Solid
–Final Fantasy 7
–Resident Evi 4
-c.o.d mw2
Prototype -
Prince of Persia -
The Club -
Fallout 3 -
Oblivion
-Lego Batman,
Lego Indiana Jones,
Lego Star Wars etc.
Splinter Cell - Chaos Theory
- Kane and Lynch - Dead Men
Saints Row 2
Halo 2
Bulletstorm
bfbc2
(and i only just took the ones from a cursory glance at the games in my
actually there is about 100 more i could get just off my own steam list)
shall i go pull a list off the web for you (as you always seem to need some kind of proof for every statement i make) of the thousands of console to pc ports just in the last couple of years?
oh no wait i won’t because having to validate myself in every response to you with some kind of third party data is just lame
go look yourself
Of your list, the following were in development for console and PC at the same time, and thus not ports:
Borderlands (October 20, 2009 for XB360/PS3, October 26, 2009 for PC)
Mass Effect 2 (January 26, 2010 for XB360 and PC)
COD Modern Warfare 2 (November 10, 2009 for PC,PS3, and XB360)
Prototype (June 9, 2009 for PC, PS3, and XB360)
Prince of Persia series:
Sands of Time (November 12, 2003 - XBox, November 21, 2003 - PS3, November 30, 2003 - PC)
Warrior Within (November 30, 2004 Xbox, PS2, Gamecube, PC)
The Two Thrones (December 1, 2005 for Xbox, PS2, PC)
The Forgotten Sands (May 18, 2010 Xbox 360/PS3/Wii, June 12, 2010 - PC)
Prince of Persia (December 2, 2008 PS3/XB360, December 9, 2008 PC)
The Club (February 19, 2008 for PC, PS3, and XB360)
Fallout 3 (October 28, 2008 for PC, PS3, and XB360)
Oblivion (March 20, 2006 for PC and XB360)
Lego Batman (September 23, 2008 for PC, XB360, PS3, and Wii)
Lego Indiana Jones (June 3, 2008 all systems)
Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory (March 28, 2005 for Xbox, PS2, and PC)
Kane and Lynch (November 14, 2007 for PC, PS3, and XB360)
Saints Row 2 (October 14, 2008 for PC, PS3, and XB360)
Bulletstorm (February 22, 2011 for PC, PS3, and XB360)
Battlefield: Bad Company 2 (March 2, 2010 for PC, PS3, and XB360)
So over half of those had the console version and PC version in development at the same time. To be precise, a port would be a game that was developed specifically for a console, and after release a new development cycle started to bring it over to the PC. If a game was under development for the console and PC at the same time, it’s not a port, just cross-platform.
you haven’t made one post without asking for evidence even after i gave you links in my first reply
If you’re making a statement, or argument, burden of proof to support your case lies with yourself. You also keep referring to some link, but looking through previous posts I don’t see one other than the THQ earnings report.
[QUOTE=Moonlighter;314658]Of your list, the following were in development for console and PC at the same time, and thus not ports:
Borderlands (October 20, 2009 for XB360/PS3, October 26, 2009 for PC)
Mass Effect 2 (January 26, 2010 for XB360 and PC)
COD Modern Warfare 2 (November 10, 2009 for PC,PS3, and XB360)
Prototype (June 9, 2009 for PC, PS3, and XB360)
Prince of Persia series:
Sands of Time (November 12, 2003 - XBox, November 21, 2003 - PS3, November 30, 2003 - PC)
Warrior Within (November 30, 2004 Xbox, PS2, Gamecube, PC)
The Two Thrones (December 1, 2005 for Xbox, PS2, PC)
The Forgotten Sands (May 18, 2010 Xbox 360/PS3/Wii, June 12, 2010 - PC)
Prince of Persia (December 2, 2008 PS3/XB360, December 9, 2008 PC)
The Club (February 19, 2008 for PC, PS3, and XB360)
Fallout 3 (October 28, 2008 for PC, PS3, and XB360)
Oblivion (March 20, 2006 for PC and XB360)
Lego Batman (September 23, 2008 for PC, XB360, PS3, and Wii)
Lego Indiana Jones (June 3, 2008 all systems)
Splinter Cell: Chaos Theory (March 28, 2005 for Xbox, PS2, and PC)
Kane and Lynch (November 14, 2007 for PC, PS3, and XB360)
Saints Row 2 (October 14, 2008 for PC, PS3, and XB360)
Bulletstorm (February 22, 2011 for PC, PS3, and XB360)
Battlefield: Bad Company 2 (March 2, 2010 for PC, PS3, and XB360)
So over half of those had the console version and PC version in development at the same time. To be precise, a port would be a game that was developed specifically for a console, and after release a new development cycle started to bring it over to the PC. If a game was under development for the console and PC at the same time, it’s not a port, just cross-platform.
If you’re making a statement, or argument, burden of proof to support your case lies with yourself. You also keep referring to some link, but looking through previous posts I don’t see one other than the THQ earnings report.[/QUOTE]
really…huh thats funny because this was a list gereated from steam that a cross linked to my own list
JUST BECAUSE THE PC TITLE WAS RELEASED ON THE SAME DAY AS CONSOLE DOESN’T MEAN IT WASN’T MADE FOR CONSOLE AND POORLY PORTED TO PC FOR THE SAME RELEASE DATE.
thats not even an argument
as you so constantly demand…do you have any evidence to support the claim that these were in pc development at the same time…oh wait
I DONT CARE
the link i gave you was in response to your claim that pc gaming industry is not in trouble,
thats one of the biggest pc publishers showing record losses
i wont provide links to every argument you make against me because thats just sad
i gave you something because you demanded proof but then after that you demand some kind of proof for everything i say which is a sad defense to someone trying to support a game launch which has obviously failed on so many levels its not even funny
move on troll
So lets get this straight.
You’ve uninstalled the game:
http://www.splashdamage.com/forums/showthread.php?p=314455#post314455
Yet you still spend time doing nothing but bashing the game on these forums.
Your only support for the decline of PC gaming was one company’s earnings report being a loss, when I’ve posted another link to an article saying the industry as a whole has grown.
You claim most games released in the past few years have been ports and provide a list where less than half of them are really ports, but rather multi-platform. You somehow infer from this that makes PC a weak platform for titles. One could easily argue that the PC is the strongest platform as it doesn’t miss out on very many console games, and PC versions almost always support better controls, resolution, and graphical settings.
I keep countering your arguments with facts, supply references as necessary, and hold myself to standards. In return you counter by not presenting supporting evidence and call me a Troll?
[QUOTE=Moonlighter;314686]So lets get this straight.
You’ve uninstalled the game:
http://www.splashdamage.com/forums/showthread.php?p=314455#post314455
Yet you still spend time doing nothing but bashing the game on these forums.
Your only support for the decline of PC gaming was one company’s earnings report being a loss, when I’ve posted another link to an article saying the industry as a whole has grown.
You claim most games released in the past few years have been ports and provide a list where less than half of them are really ports, but rather multi-platform. You somehow infer from this that makes PC a weak platform for titles. One could easily argue that the PC is the strongest platform as it doesn’t miss out on very many console games, and PC versions almost always support better controls, resolution, and graphical settings.
I keep countering your arguments with facts, supply references as necessary, and hold myself to standards. In return you counter by not presenting supporting evidence and call me a Troll?[/QUOTE]
thanks for posting a link to another of my comments , in an attempt to make me look foolish for making a statement about uninstalling the game you have only re-enforced my opinion about what a horrible release this was.
what FACTS were those again? lol show me where that is again?
you know the FACTS you posted somewhere on here? i can’t find them?
oh and a commentary by someone who posts earning statements by the 2 biggest CONSOLE publishers proves what towards pc gaming exactly?
no point proven there either
anyone that uses only EA and Activision as a sign of a healthy pc gaming industry is delusional
and my claim that those games are pc ports isnt exactly countered by a hand typed list by you with some dates thrown on(which i believe to be true but you always ask for links and proof, it would have been better to support it with something other than this) and if you didnt read it the first time
JUST BECAUSE THE PC TITLE WAS RELEASED ON THE SAME DAY AS CONSOLE DOESN’T MEAN IT WASN’T MADE FOR CONSOLE AND POORLY PORTED TO PC FOR THE SAME RELEASE DATE.
thats not even an argument
even by sd’s own admission the very game were discussing is a pc port (released on the same day? but how could that be?)
pc is the strongest platform (we at least agree there) but with the weakest game releases
and sorry but when you come on here and are the only one to keep comming back to try to shut me down just because i’m frustrated with a game that runs great for you when it doesn’t for most, is pretty much trolling
posting only with the intent to invoke a response from others IS trolling
i’m posting in the hopes that someone from sd will read these and understand how badly this is going to hurt them if they don’t sit up and take note of how a great game will tank because of a poor launch
im here to trash sd for ripping people off
your just here to trash me (thats pretty much what trolling is)
quit while your ahead
Wrote a long post, deleted it. Just not worth the effort.
We agree on some things:
Brink has lots of bugs, some of them crippling.
PC’s are better systems for gaming.
PC’s are held back because of console limitations.
We disagree on some things:
Brink’s issues are affecting the majority of people.
PC gaming is in decline
PC has the weakest game releases.
We aren’t going to convince each other on the issues where we disagree.
I don’t believe bashing SD for these issues accomplishes anything, and I believe they are working hard on resolving issues.
I’m done. I’m going back to trying to help people out so they can enjoy the game where I am able.
[QUOTE=Moonlighter;314803]Wrote a long post, deleted it. Just not worth the effort.
We agree on some things:
Brink has lots of bugs, some of them crippling.
PC’s are better systems for gaming.
PC’s are held back because of console limitations.
We disagree on some things:
Brink’s issues are affecting the majority of people.
PC gaming is in decline
PC has the weakest game releases.
We aren’t going to convince each other on the issues where we disagree.
I don’t believe bashing SD for these issues accomplishes anything, and I believe they are working hard on resolving issues.
I’m done. I’m going back to trying to help people out so they can enjoy the game where I am able.[/QUOTE]
i believe that bashing sd DOES do something as it educates them on how NOT to release a game again…learning from these forums can go both ways
as far as them working hard at resolving issues…day 8 and half the pc users are still waiting for patches to make it even BARELY playable
oh and ive read alot of your posts , for someone who all of a sudden claims to be the champion of “helping people enjoy the game” maybe you could try something else other than simply defending a company for releasing an unplayable product in every post, thats not “helping” thats just defending s.d which makes me believe your one of these people hired by the game companies to only prop up games in forums…EA, Activision and many other have employed this tactic and most people can see right through it so trust me when i say WERE ALL GLAD THAT YOUR DONE!
I just want to say one last thing.
This is the forum for complaining
http://www.splashdamage.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=17
And this is the forum specifically for tech support
http://www.splashdamage.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=37
Please keep to the subject of the respective forum. And that goes for the dedicated server help, and clan forums.
As well as forums for Quake Wars and WolfET. There is even an off-topic forum, all in effort of keeping things where they are supposed to be.
See, while the general forum has post praising/criticizing the game. Bragging about good results or bitching about getting owned. Essays on why they love the Heavy character, and then someone comes in and says the Heavy is terrible… HERE we are actually trying to help people where we can. If we don’t know the answer, we don’t reply. And remember this is a community help forum.
THIS section is objective, we try to keep opinions to the minimum. Someone says my X video card doesn’t work, we don’t reply, “Sucks to be you, you should have bought Y”. No, we either help, and if the answer is not known, the post just stays there waiting. Some answers may be better than others, but most people are trying to help.
For all intended purposes anything that does not fit the purpose of this section should be locked. Because the people looking for help don’t care that your character has a new hat or that you didn’t get the hat you wanted.
This is not a support ticket system. Where you submit a ticket and every incident must be replied to and concluded with a definite answer.
So by complaining on this thread, not only are you violating the principles of basic forum communication. It’s like you are insulting the people who spend time on THIS section helping. And that’s why your other thread was locked. So maybe now you’ll understand what I’ve been trying to express.
[QUOTE=McAfee;315006]I just want to say one last thing.
This is the forum for complaining
http://www.splashdamage.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=17
And this is the forum specifically for tech support
http://www.splashdamage.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=37
Please keep to the subject of the respective forum. And that goes for the dedicated server help, and clan forums.
As well as forums for Quake Wars and WolfET. There is even an off-topic forum, all in effort of keeping things where they are supposed to be.
See, while the general forum has post praising/criticizing the game. Bragging about good results or bitching about getting owned. Essays on why they love the Heavy character, and then someone comes in and says the Heavy is terrible… HERE we are actually trying to help people where we can. If we don’t know the answer, we don’t reply. And remember this is a community help forum.
THIS section is objective, we try to keep opinions to the minimum. Someone says my X video card doesn’t work, we don’t reply, “Sucks to be you, you should have bought Y”. No, we either help, and if the answer is not known, the post just stays there waiting. Some answers may be better than others, but most people are trying to help.
For all intended purposes anything that does not fit the purpose of this section should be locked. Because the people looking for help don’t care that your character has a new hat or that you didn’t get the hat you wanted.
This is not a support ticket system. Where you submit a ticket and every incident must be replied to and concluded with a definite answer.
So by complaining on this thread, not only are you violating the principles of basic forum communication. It’s like you are insulting the people who spend time on THIS section helping. And that’s why your other thread was locked. So maybe now you’ll understand what I’ve been trying to express.[/QUOTE]
did you read the numerous posts on this very thread and many others that shows that when you submit a ticket to bethesda you get ignored?(8 days for me and no response)…guess not
my initial thread(s) on this forum requesting help were ignored by you and everyone else claiming to be helping (defending is the word i’d use)
only when i became frustrated and gave up and posted my first negative response to this game did one of your so called “helper people” who before ignored me came on and locked the thread…seems more like damage control than tech help to me
oh and telling me that no-one responds to legitamite requests for help, because they may have been mentioned already in another thread …is a cop out
SD deserves to hear every complaint on every facet of these forums,(i chose this one because after being ignored for the first couple of threads requesting help on this forum i figured the people who ignored me can also hear me rant then) because 90% of people who are bitching are doing it on steam forums with misdirected energy and should be here. whether in general discussion forum or not they should be here and the mods and people defending this game on these forums are getting off easy compared to the ****storm on steam where valve had nothing to do with this great game but HORRIBLE LAUNCH.
We’re all ears to civil, constructive feedback but this has devolved into a mudslinging contest.
Closing this thread.