I finally did a ranked match...

(P!x3L) #1

After more than 300 hours of dirty bomb, and with new patch, i tried a few games in ranked. Woohoo! I though I will play with good players with a minimum of tactics and so on…

For my first match, 3 of 5 opponents had 300+ ping , my teammate kill me 4-5 times and didn’t know what to do. We lose very quickly.

My second match was ok not transcendant

My thrid match, a teammate said we’re gonna lose when we was in the lobby. And he started intentionally to teamkill at the begining of the match.

With this experience, I don’t think I’ll play soon in Official. Playing with immature person kills the game.

(Nesodos) #2

i think that there should be a ranked tutorial or some kind of notification that ranked is different from pubs

i completed my 11 matches for the trinket 2-3 weeks ago and lost most of them to premade deathsquads

you can punish teammates that kill you on purpose, its located in chat when they kill you

in the end, ranked without a premade group wont get you a lot of fun with this mode

(kibloy) #3

[quote=“Nesodos;154225”]i think that there should be a ranked tutorial or some kind of notification that ranked is different from pubs

i completed my 11 matches for the trinket 2-3 weeks ago and lost most of them to premade deathsquads

you can punish teammates that kill you on purpose, its located in chat when they kill you

in the end, ranked without a premade group wont get you a lot of fun with this mode[/quote]
Without a full lobby, ranked is really nothing more than a glorified pub game. The main difference being that, at least in theory, you play against people at or around your skill level and opposing teams are a bit more evenly matched.
It becomes playable once you get out of the lower ranks with all the level 7s who try it out for giggles without knowing the maps and teamkill left and right without even noticing.

(l2c) #4

Friendly Fire and everyone being Fletcher has eliminated my desire for a rank, can tell you that much.

(MarsRover) #5

I finally played my first ranked match since… October I think.

Everyone was doing their job.
Nobody left or got disconnected.
Sure, for a big parts of the game (Underground) my team had 2 Vassilis but at least they remembered they have machine pistols and played somewhat aggressive.
I did a pretty nasty unintentional TK in the beginning but the other player didn’t bitch about it.
Got TK’ed 2-3 times but it was accidental. No Naders/Fletchers randomly spamming explosives.
The match was quite balanced - they did it 10 minutes with some last second disarms, we did it in 7. No 60/5 or 5/30 players.

It was fun. I may play more.
YMMV

(Jostabeere) #6

Glad you enjoyed it :trollface:

(kittz0r) #7

how about you kick the TK Bitch at the start?

(Feley) #8

Its 5 v 4 than and you have almost no chance of victory… I mean you have chance but its puny and people are demoralized with one player gone.

(Nesodos) #9

[left]@kibloy
the problem is that ranked is so dead, you wont get a balanced game against people with your skill level

i even played with randoms against a premade team and i asked their level
guess what
[spoiler]one lvl86, one lvl 64, two lvl 50 and one lvl 30 against my team with no one over lvl 25[/spoiler][/left]

(dnbradio) #10

Min level for ranked must be 20-30!

(gloomyRequirement) #11

That’s like 250 hours of playing. You’re mental asking it to require that. It should be level 12 or something.

(Kingsley) #12

It’s fine how it is right now. Not everyone poorly performs @ level 7, some players come from different FPS backgrounds and pick up on things rather quick. What makes them commendable players is their ability not to cry for game changes that would make the game easier for them. These types of players find solutions, I love them. In the grand scheme of things, I’d rather the min level remain where it is, or possibly drop lower.

A good thing to note is that there are players who want to submerge themselves in competition right out of the womb, if I had to wait a long time to play outside of pubs. I would have been disheartened to know that I was, in a way, wasting my time playing around less skilled players.

Somewhere in this world, I expect someone from this community to have to try real hard to get offended by this post. Then, they will dislike around 3-5 of my previous posts and claim to be victim of the subsequent result. Oh, and I will make an edit to share the gift of my NJ tongue.

(Szakalot) #13

the problem isnt that lvl7s are getting into MM, the problem is that they are getting matched against vastly superior players

(dnbradio) #14

Not true… problem is nobody has explained them how to play and they get put into the competitive scene without any idea what to do … they just run around and die…

(bontsa) #15

There’s point in both of these statements in my opinion.

On one hand, ranked =/= competitive. It just isn’t and wasn’t, even when we had mix of 5premades included in the chaos. So to get one starting DirtyBomber into more thoughtful games, ranked is lower threshold entry to 5v5 mode, with FriendlyFire and collision included. As an added bonus it should have some sort of mercenary limit system (or encouraging via class icons & reminders for missing class roles or similar) as it’s vastly used it tournaments. So getting into such mode earlier is generally good, as game is and hopefully will be advertised and balanced as competitive.

On the other hand though, there are tons of even higher than lvl7 people who are stunningly oblivious of even the most crucial mechanics of the game, like how objective repairing/defusing works (stacking being no-good and priority mercenaries). While sure, properly done matchmaker would technically put all these low-lvl-bot- like people playing together (ever seen CS:GO silver plays? quality fun), it doesn’t manage to do that now and even if it did, it wouldn’t be exactly enjoyable in the long run. Mechanics would still remain alien to these people, as if 6v6 and bigger pubs don’t really teach these things, even less will 5v5 do. What does teach these things however, is welcoming community AND proper damn tutorial.

Best of both words and a little TL;DC? Giving new players a proper start at the beginning of their DB “career”, introducing to basic mechanics in meaningful and easy-to-grasp- way, would ease a huge amount of frustration later on. And it would be allright to have them start ranked somewhat soonish.

(Litego) #16

Then let them do that within their appropriate rank with other players doing the exact same thing.

We shouldn’t lock players out of ranked just because they’re shit at the game. Just let them play with other shitters and don’t mix them in with higher tier players, problem solved. With that in mind, there’s nothing wrong with letting level 7 players play ranked, and yeah, we could even drop that level requirement lower. Increasing it to 20 is just insanity and will definitely out right kill ranked due to the extremely low population. We shouldn’t have to increase the level requirement at all if MM just did it’s job.

(bontsa) #17

@Litego At the current moment, MM isn’t doing that said job though. So this is quite tricky subject with no 1 right answer. And if situation is been left as it is, longer and longer it haunts more and more it’ll kill interest towards ranked. And this isn’t just statement pulled off my arse, there’s been discussion of the subject for pretty much the entire week in DB Discord.

Hope the update RazielWarmonic mentioned in some Announcement post, aimed for next week, eases the situation as things must happen quite fast now.