How to use the Grandeur?

(SirSwag) #1

I’ve had plenty of playtime with it but I can’t seem to use it effectively as the Dreiss, PDP, MOA or FEL-IX. The iron sights seem bad and hip firing seems unreliable. I know a lot of people swear by this weapon, so I want to ask them right now the secret to being as godlike as they are.

(Tanker_Ray) #2

Welp, this should be go to Weapon discussion first.

hipfire is quite useful right now after the several spread buffs it got gradually.

Because of the RoF nerf most recent, its DPS has fallen to 120 which is Blishlok level, but it has enough single shot damage to cover that which is 40, and 180 RPM is the pre-nerf PDP’s RoF so that lowered RoF ironically helps you when hipfiring.

You always shoot the gun whenever your aim has reset, that’s all for hipfireing tips. Just don’t shoot the gun with Max RPM but control the spread by looking at its bloom reset, and aiming for head when shooting Aura and Sparks for one shot. Bloom comes back quite fast, much faster than you think.

About the ironsight, I honestly can’t understand why so many people still bash Grandeur so much even after the ironsight’s FoV buff, but Grandeur is literally a mid-range sniper. I actually really love it without any other sights.

(doxjq) #3

This really is a hard one to tackle, but in all honesty I don’t think anyone can explain it to you as such.

It’s mostly just timing, pacing shots and practice will = consistency. Pacing shots really is the key with this gun. You almost need to let the recoil reset even longer than the animation shows to gain full hip fire potential. Mumble crosshairs will help a lot if you ADS quite a bit too. In fact I recommend installing mumble crosshairs any way. There is a guide on Youtube if you don’t already use them, and it’s really simple to do. I’m happy to link the guide if you can’t find it either.

You’re right about the iron sights being bad. They are terrible, not going to lie, mostly on this weapon in particular because of how much of your vision the gun model itself blocks out. For me personally, the key to success was probably 50% in mumble, at least when using the gun while ADS. It isn’t an instant improvement, it probably took me a good 10+ hours after installing mumble to learn to ignore the gun model (it sounds impossible but eventually you can do it). But this was all before it was buffed 3 or 4 times.

I don’t really know where I’m going with this post, it’s probably easier for me to just try and capture some footage of me using Aimee with the Grandeur and post it up. Since the recent buff I do hipfire twice as much as I used to. But my biggest tips right now are a) Install mumble crosshairs, b) Always take your time with the first shot, and try to hit at least one head shot - if you’re using this gun for body shots only I honestly think it sucks, and c) Let the recoil completely reset before you fire again - if you start spamming this gun even 0.001 seconds before the recoil has completely reset you’re going to have an impossible time aiming. Once you learn to do that you’ll see instant improvement.

(MilkyBear) #4

[quote=“ThunderPro;167660”]Welp, this should be go to Weapon discussion first.

hipfire is quite useful right now after the several spread buffs it got gradually.

Because of the RoF nerf most recent, its DPS has fallen to 120 which is Blishlok level, but it has enough single shot damage to cover that which is 40, and 180 RPM is the pre-nerf PDP’s RoF so that lowered RoF ironically helps you when hipfiring.

You always shoot the gun whenever your aim has reset, that’s all for hipfireing tips. Just don’t shoot the gun with Max RPM but control the spread by looking at its bloom reset, and aiming for head when shooting Aura and Sparks for one shot. Bloom comes back quite fast, much faster than you think.

About the ironsight, I honestly can’t understand why so many people still bash Grandeur so much even after the ironsight’s FoV buff, but Grandeur is literally a mid-range sniper. I actually really love it without any other sights. [/quote]

Nah i think the sight is the worst, a huge metal piece in front of my face is a no - no.

(BananaSlug) #5

learn to constantly shoot accurate shoots while hip fireing thats pretty much all

(Laionidas) #6

It used to be an ADS spam-o’matic. Zoom in on an area and let it go. Pretty much DB’s take on a designated marksman rifle. Haven’t played it after the Aimee patch though.

I doubt I still like it. The hipfire buff is nice, but that was never how I used it. Triple kills on a sinlge magazine seem hard now with the reduced RoF.

(BananaSlug) #7

i would recomend going on offline server get graundier and infinite ammo, full cross hair, and you will see, i done that for 3 min and it was enough for me

(Szakalot) #8

the key to hipfire is matching rate of fire to the distance. at pointblank you can go full auto, at close up you can spam a 1-2 punch. at mid-long range you geneally have tonwait for full bloom reset, or switch to ADS

(Shirobon) #9

Avoid any CQC like the plague, ADS and don’t panic spray when someone closes in on you.

(Szakalot) #10

completely disagree, grandeur is extremely powerful in close quarters, if you have a corner to hide around and let recoil settle. If you meet your opponent at point blank you can take all but heavies down in one headshot+body shot, thats faster than a shotgun!

(ProfPlump) #11

Starting to notice one new thing and that is that the Grandeur is much easier to use when you have it in a Gold or Cobalt skin. This is because the iron sights on stock, lead, iron and bronze are all fairly greyscale colours that are hard to pick out from the background of your vision. However, when you have those iron sights coloured bright red (gold swiss), gold (gold crown), green (gold bamboo/bamb-ew), bright silver/grey (silver urban or cobalt fragment) or blue (cobalt shard), the iron sight become much more discernible from your surroundings. I actually find that, while using my Gold Swiss GBronze G52

Here’s my advice - if your target is staying relatively still, but is not shooting at YOU, and they are not in close range, aim down sights and spam for quick succession headshots.

If your target is moving around a bit, but you aren’t being shot at, use ADS and go for much quicker shots and make use of the lack of spread while in ADS. As soon as he returns fire (if you didn’t already kill him), use the next technique…

If your target is shooting at you, strafe from side to side and take much slower shots with hipfire.

If your target is shooting at you with a bolt action at long range, strafe from side to side and shoot back with hipfire, but as soon as they fire their shot, take one precise ADS shot while they are rechambering, then go back to strafing.

If your target gets into close range, it’s usually better to use your sidearm, since they nerfed the firerate on the Grandeur. I personally use the DE.50 for those situations (on both Redeye and Aimee) and just spam at the head.

(inscrutableShow) #12

I would imagine you should shoot people with it.

(Szakalot) #13

@ProfPlump good post but there is no reason to use sidearm over grandeur, unless opponent is at extremely low hp and you want to spam them down.

ive always did well with grandeur and only recently have i tried using ADS more. still
my primary mode of fire is hipfire, effective at anything up to midrange

(ProfPlump) #14

[quote=“Szakalot;170211”]@ProfPlump good post but there is no reason to use sidearm over grandeur, unless opponent is at extremely low hp and you want to spam them down.

ive always did well with grandeur and only recently have i tried using ADS more. still
my primary mode of fire is hipfire, effective at anything up to midrange[/quote]

No reason you say? Well, that’s not true. First off, the Grandeur now only has the same DPS of the De.50 (120dps), and so there is no difference in terms of damage per second like there used to be (it used to be up at 133.3dps).

Now consider that, for the De.50, it has greater accuracy while spamming and has a higher firerate so that you can be more consistent with your aim. On top of that, because it’s a sidearm it allows you to strafe slightly faster than with a sniper rifle.

The only reason that you’d want to use the Grandeur over the De.50 in close quarters would be because it has a larger magazine, but if you’re using a DE.50 and you run the magazine dry, you can always just swap to the Grandeur and continue firing anyway.

With the other sidearms the comparison is a little harder to draw, but if you have a De.50 you should always use that in close quarters combat instead of the Grandeur (unless you’re a god with headshots).

(KattiValk) #15

The Granduer has essentially perfect accuracy on your first hip shot. That makes it viable for CQC on its own really. If the irons weren’t so terrible then it’d be in a great place. Video games sadly don’t try to simulate two eye aiming that makes your gun transparent, don’t use DoF which would actually make the Granduer’s rear sight basically invisible, and don’t give open sights with housing their proper advantages, one of the more significant is being easier to line up quickly than something like an AKM’s.

(modernBlast) #16

Aimee is quite fast, and she has the quick-eye perk. She can actually strafe quite fast even when ADS, which means she’s no need to worry about bloom even when spamming up close.

The DE is under-rated with Aimee since if the target is debuffed with SNITCH it does insane DPS.

(ProfPlump) #17

It’s actually not that accurate on the first shot though. Sure, it’s good accuracy, but most pistols have higher accuracy that it on that first shot, which is a real pain as it means that you basically HAVE to ADS if you want to make accurate shots at long range, instead of doing fast strafing while making slow, precise shots. It basically means that a MOA or a PDP will always beat you at those ranges.

(Szakalot) #18

@ProfPlump DPS is no big deal since you would want to let bloom rest at least a bit before hip-firing again.

the 40hp bodyshot is huge. do not underestimate the power of frontloaded damage! DE is a bit more accurate but is in that awkward spot where it doesnt deal as much as revolvers to take on fullhp mercs, and is not spammy enough to spam down someone on low hp, likenyou can with M9 or selbstad.

Grandeur first shot accuracy is perfectly fine up to midrange. up close you can start by trying to open up on the head and than switch to body shots. since the hipfire accuracy buff, grandeur can definitely keep its own against automatics at close range. i agree that at midrange you generally want to ADS, but peek-shots with hipfire are still very effective.
id estimate that at close range you can use ~80% of maximum RoF with good effect. of course its situational and depends on multiple factors, and there will always be these moments when not a single hit lands

i dont mean to bash you or anything but imo suggesting to switch to a (mediocre) secondary is bad advice, when you are holding a gun that can take anyone out in two hits. this tells me you havent really given hipfire a chance. if you want i can show you tonight : )

(Amerika) #19

Comparing DPS to front loaded damage never works out 1:1. Sure, if every fight had each player standing still and facing each other and not moving DPS would matter. But in a lot of fights the burst damage of each shot would win in a lot of scenarios where most pistols would not. If I have ammo in the GR I’m using it in CQC. And in a lot of CQC situations you can use a door strafe strat similar to how you use shotguns or burst rifles with the GR and shoot, hide, shoot. I don’t think pistols are bad…I just don’t believe they are the best option in a lot of CQC situations when you have ammo in a GR mag.

I haven’t used the GR lately though since the RoF nerf so maybe I’ll change my opinion later.

(Szakalot) #20

@Amerika its actually even better now. rof nerf doesnt hurt much cause you never want to fire at sich high speed anyways, and the hipfire spread is better now, landing consecutive hipfire hits is a lot more viable. imo RoF nerf hurt kong range the most, as you cant spam ADS as much