How to Make Phantom Useful & Not Annoying

(Tommy) #21

[quote=“Amerika;107389”]I believe Phantom needs another support ability to be a competent pick in many situations. However, this idea really would be crazy OP in both a competitive sense and a pub sense. Especially in regards to pubs where you could have 2-3 Phantoms chaining abilities on a server.

It also doesn’t really fit his role at all as a Recon. I’m a firm believer in him getting a spotting or EMP ability that fits his actual role.[/quote]

That makes since, thanks for the reply bro. So, by emp are you referring to something similar to the spy in TF2? Maybe he could delay a bomb timer for 10 seconds or an ev or something like that?
Definitely am all in on the spotting mechanic. Would fit his role well!!

(Amerika) #22

[quote=“Tommy;107419”][quote=“Amerika;107389”]I believe Phantom needs another support ability to be a competent pick in many situations. However, this idea really would be crazy OP in both a competitive sense and a pub sense. Especially in regards to pubs where you could have 2-3 Phantoms chaining abilities on a server.

It also doesn’t really fit his role at all as a Recon. I’m a firm believer in him getting a spotting or EMP ability that fits his actual role.[/quote]

That makes since, thanks for the reply bro. So, by emp are you referring to something similar to the spy in TF2? Maybe he could delay a bomb timer for 10 seconds or an ev or something like that?
Definitely am all in on the spotting mechanic. Would fit his role well!![/quote]

The more popular consensus is just give him some form of spotting ability to give him the same ability that other recons have. No clue why he doesn’t have this. I’d like to you auto-mark people when you have cloak up. The other popular opinion is give him an EMP that would disable/temporarily disable deployables like turrets and healing stations but doing something like making a bomb take 5 more seconds to blow up or stop the EV for 5 seconds could be neat.

(Tommy) #23

[quote=“Amerika;107433”][quote=“Tommy;107419”][quote=“Amerika;107389”]I believe Phantom needs another support ability to be a competent pick in many situations. However, this idea really would be crazy OP in both a competitive sense and a pub sense. Especially in regards to pubs where you could have 2-3 Phantoms chaining abilities on a server.

It also doesn’t really fit his role at all as a Recon. I’m a firm believer in him getting a spotting or EMP ability that fits his actual role.[/quote]

That makes since, thanks for the reply bro. So, by emp are you referring to something similar to the spy in TF2? Maybe he could delay a bomb timer for 10 seconds or an ev or something like that?
Definitely am all in on the spotting mechanic. Would fit his role well!![/quote]

The more popular consensus is just give him some form of spotting ability to give him the same ability that other recons have. No clue why he doesn’t have this. I’d like to you auto-mark people when you have cloak up. The other popular opinion is give him an EMP that would disable/temporarily disable deployables like turrets and healing stations but doing something like making a bomb take 5 more seconds to blow up or stop the EV for 5 seconds could be neat.[/quote]

Do you know if the devs are aware of this idea at all? Or, if they are making any plans to implement something like this soon?? :slight_smile: Sounds great to me!!

(Amerika) #24

They already commented that Phantom will not be receiving a spotting or other abilities. They also commented that not all mercs will be completely viable in league play in reference to Phantom. Basically, they have no plans currently for Phantom which drives me nuts because he’s so close to being a solid merc.

(Tommy) #25

That is really annoying. He is very close. I hope they do fix him up a bit soon, he is still one of my favorite mercs and such an awesome class :stuck_out_tongue:

(BananaSlug) #26

but he is assault, not support

(gg2ez) #27

This is how to make Phantom useful AND annoying.

(Amerika) #28

Phantom is recon. He’s lumped in with Vassili, Redeye and Aimee.

(m86edit) #29

this is the dumbest idea to give phantom utility imo.

additionally skyhammer and arty can already do this by direct hitting with ammo packs

(Sussepus) #30

just give him a bf4- like spotting ability and see how it goes. then his cloak also makes more sense. sneak behind enemy, spot them. keep them spotted as long as phantom got LoS.
there you have a very useful phantom playing on stealth while being a recon.

or just make change him to assault class and buff his combat ability.

(Amerika) #31

[quote=“Sussepus;107785”]just give him a bf4- like spotting ability and see how it goes. then his cloak also makes more sense. sneak behind enemy, spot them. keep them spotted as long as phantom got LoS.
there you have a very useful phantom playing on stealth while being a recon.

or just make change him to assault class and buff his combat ability.[/quote]

Yup, that’s what I’ve brought up in the past. Or simply have him auto-mark targets he sees i his cone of vision while his armor is turned on. Then make him not able to attack immediately out of stealth, buff his stealth and suddenly you have a non-cheap and really useful merc for both pub and competitive play.

(signofzeta) #32

Maybe he can have an ability that silences the footsteps and weapons of teammates as well as making their weapons have no muzzle flash? I don’t know.

(Boorseye) #33

To be honest, Phantom could really use an ability to make him useful. I don’t see how this idea should be thrown away so soon and left in the dumpster. maybe we could you something like this. Maybe a reduction time somewhat like extra supplies will do.

(Tommy) #34

Definitely, he is just so close to a super useful epic merc. I think he just needs a little work and I think one ability ought to do the trick! Love the idea bro, that would be quite interesting!

(Tommy) #35

Couldn’t agree more Chirpy, he doesn’t need any major change. I think if they added one small supportive ability to him he would be a much more useful character and you would see a lot more of him, maybe even in competitive matches!

(JJMAJR) #36

[quote=“Tommy;19999”]Add a support ability, known as the fresher.

All this ability needs to do is refresh all the ability cool downs of team mates around him (the refresh radius would be used in a similar style to how pheonix’s healing pulse works). And, it could have a cooldown of about 2 minutes.

This would make him useful to team mates, while not a stupidly annoying person to kill.

What do you guys think? :)[/quote]

I think that should be attached to the Arty’s ammo ability, but not that strong. I suggested something like a 5 second refresh, not a full refill.

Something like this:
Large ammo pack
Refills ammo to full.
Refreshes 5 seconds of the user’s abilities.
When used on a player, their abilities can’t get any more recharge boosts until their ability is back to 100% charge.
3 uses. Recharges 5 seconds slower than small ammo packs

But anyways, recharging abilities is a fire support gimmick, not a recon or assault gimmick.

(Arjun) #37

No offence to the idea . But isn’t this exaclty what you disagreed a fought on @gg2ez 's Topic on Tone grenades ???

(Arjun) #38

[quote=“Tommy;19999”]Add a support ability, known as the fresher.

All this ability needs to do is refresh all the ability cool downs of team mates around him (the refresh radius would be used in a similar style to how pheonix’s healing pulse works). And, it could have a cooldown of about 2 minutes.

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The meaning of anyone called ‘Fresher’ is not exactly what you think it is . Fresher means someone who is New on certain things/subjects . ex : Freshman in college .

Putting the less important English lesson aside , i feel quite positive about the idea . It feels ‘fresh’ . More like an idea for a new Merc ability rather than coupling with Phantom’s stealth ability .

But again this ability might lead to spam . But i think a 50% reduction to cooldown is a very valuable ability rather than an instant recharge.

(Tommy) #39

No offence to the idea . But isn’t this exaclty what you disagreed a fought on @gg2ez 's Topic on Tone grenades ???[/quote]

I don’t disagree with him, he’s got a great idea!!

(Tommy) #40

[quote=“Arjun;108736”][quote=“Tommy;19999”]Add a support ability, known as the fresher.

All this ability needs to do is refresh all the ability cool downs of team mates around him (the refresh radius would be used in a similar style to how pheonix’s healing pulse works). And, it could have a cooldown of about 2 minutes.

[/quote]

The meaning of anyone called ‘Fresher’ is not exactly what you think it is . Fresher means someone who is New on certain things/subjects . ex : Freshman in college .

Putting the less important English lesson aside , i feel quite positive about the idea . It feels ‘fresh’ . More like an idea for a new Merc ability rather than coupling with Phantom’s stealth ability .

But again this ability might lead to spam . But i think a 50% reduction to cooldown is a very valuable ability rather than an instant recharge.[/quote]

Good point!